MGS: Peace Walker Has Various Cardboard Boxes, Custom Snakes

Dorian Cornelius Jasper

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oliveira8 said:
They the same person DNA wise. They might be different on personality and other technicalities but they all share the same DNA code. Tho all of 3 of them werew changed geneticly.
But nowhere will you find a court of law willing to say that two people sharing completely identical DNA (twins) are the same person and should be treated as such for legal purposes. Hypothetically, if you had a twin brother with identical DNA to your own, would you trust him with complete power of attorney over all of your assets? Would you trust a court or government that treated you and your twin as one single entity?

A single human being. That is what "a person" means.

They are not the same person by any understanding of the term. They would identical siblings at best, but as their genes are clearly no longer identical (thanks to tampering) then neither are they. Would you consider yourself the same person as your father and mother just because you share portions of the same genetic code? (After all, they're imperfect copies of each other and their father. The same goes for any human with their parents: genetically imperfect copies.)

I suspect the use of a "sci-fi" term like "clone" is obscuring the genetic realities of the situation, here.
 

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Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
But we talking about clones that were breed to be like Big Boss, to be the exact same person or become better.
They were designed to be Big Boss.
 

Dorian Cornelius Jasper

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oliveira8 said:
*snip too*
And in many respects the project failed--this being a point of angst for at two Snakes and a non-issue for the most Solid of the bunch.

Despite intentions they were very different people. Even Solid Snake, the one Snake who shares Big Boss' voice actor, differs from his father (the game itself repeatedly hammers the father-son relationship, bear in mind) on a genetic level. After all, Big Boss doesn't suffer from a terminally advanced cellular degeneration because it's not in his genes.

The one thing about the project that worked was that one Snake eventually managed to exceed Big Boss in spite of his flaws, imperfections, and genetic inaccuracies. He succeeded where his father failed and saved the world from those darned AIs.
 

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Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
The age thing was a failsafe imputed by the cloners incase the clones went rogue or captured by the enemies. The same way all the imperfections were "coded" into Solid. Without them he would be the perfect copy like Solidus was the closest clone to Big Boss.

Also going on a guess but having different voices for the clones was probably to not give away the twist, as the fact that Liquid and Solid sounding the same would be weird. xP
 

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Ow, my brain hurts after hearing all the fragments of the main story. I just play all the games and skip all the cutscenes, all they succeed in doing is confusing me for the most part.
 

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Card board boxes? Sweet. Though they're gonna have to do a bit better if they want to make me interested.

How about some monkeys?
 

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oliveira8 said:
Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
The age thing was a failsafe imputed by the cloners incase the clones went rogue or captured by the enemies. The same way all the imperfections were "coded" into Solid. Without them he would be the perfect copy like Solidus was the closest clone to Big Boss.

Also going on a guess but having different voices for the clones was probably to not give away the twist, as the fact that Liquid and Solid sounding the same would be weird. xP
From what I got after spending hours on the MGS Database was Solidus was an exact copy that is why Liquid was able to hack into the Patriot's system using the pyx of Solidus that he thought was Big Boss, and he was forced to find Big Boss's code to get into the system because his own and Solid's were not the same as the Boss's code. Liquid was created using all of the recesive genes thus the blond hair and different voice. While Solid was made using the Dominant Genes and he was never ment todestroy the Ais. Also if Liquid and Solid had the same code Solid would have also died in the first game on Shadow Moses island because of Foxdie.
 

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AXLE_BULLITT_19 said:
Just a snip, since the bulk was a reply to someone else, but while Solid wasn't designed to be the guy who'd save the world he still wound up doing so. That means he did exceed Big Boss and the man said so himself in the end. Didn't mean to conflate that with the intent of his origins, just wanted to point out a key difference between father and son--one that highlights that, no, Solid Snake is not the same person as Big Boss.

oliveira8 said:
Yup. But this does mean that Solid's genetic code is fairly far removed from Big Boss', y'know? After all, if the DNA sequence has been tampered with and altered then it's not the same sequence anymore.
 

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It sounds to me a lot like MGO with another unlock axis. I'm sorry if saying it that way ruins your shtick of writing 3 paragraphs intimating that Hideo is crazy and then refusing to glue stuff together in a falsifiable prediction to further drive home your delivered wisdom that Hideo is crazy, but that's just what I thought after reading his words and processing them to a conclusion without trying to make it into a "Hideo is crazy" joke. Again.
Fine. I get the idea. You guys are sick of pictures of Kojima on a duck and me making jokes about Kojima being crazy.

The facts remain that 1) We have a picture of Kojima on a duck and a mandate to use it and 2) Kojima is a crazy ass dude. BUT, if you guys would rather have your Kojima-related info completely without duck pictures and me trying to make KRAZY KOJIMA jokes, fine. I'll stop. Have your Kojima stories free of duck photos and silly jokes.

For the record, I only made one reference to Kojima being crazy in this article. I guess the "intimation" is there, but gimme a break.
There there. We all know he IS crazy, but it's why we love him, plus that duck picture is rather amusing.
 

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This already has my purchase. It looks to be a fun game with different things going on.

Sevre90210 said:
Goddamnit Snake, why can't you just die with some dignity? You should've left this series a long time ago!
Ok, when Nintendo drops Mario and Zelda, Capcom drops Street Fighter and Mega Man, Sega drops Sonic, and Square-enix drops Final Fantasy.
 

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Damn, I don't like the series, but I read "Customable carboard boxes" and was pleased. What a let down
 

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So basically, this is some sort of a combination of Metal Gear Online and Portable Ops?

Hmm...

...do want.