I'm usually all about that, expendables is great to me 'cos it is just that mindless shit but by fuck do these films lack even that quality.MrFalconfly said:Well I like them.
All of them.
They're brainless entertainment for when I just want to relax with a coke in one hand and a bag of chips in the other.
To prove my point, I described TF4 to my sister as "Optimus Prime, riding a robo T-Rex, brandishing a sword". She was sceptical at first, but after having seen it (with the mindset of it just being "dumb action") we loved it. It's fun, it's stupid, and it reminds us of what can be done when you're 7 years old, and don't have to keep "logic" in mind.
Just because something sells doesn't mean it's good for the medium. Ever see that fun little movie called Idiocracy? It's a funny and terrifying look at a future brought upon us by the utter dumbing down of society.JaredJones said:Seriously though, as someone who has both never seen a Transformers movie start to finish and yet talks about them like they're the death of filmmaking, I say power to him. His movies *are* a source of enjoyment for millions of people, for better or for worse, in the same way that many (some) of us still consider Adam Sandler funny. As long as he keeps making more money than entire economies with each successive entry, who are we to tell him when enough is enough?
I wonder that since he has the backing of the U.S military, that they in turn quietly "suggest" that their troops go and see the movie. I wonder how well one Bay's movies would do if it wasn't backed by the Army?Karadalis said:Oh please tell me we will get more 1 dimensional characters and racial stereotypes please? And explosions... tooooons of explosions... and the US army owning everything and everybody! Yes thats allways a crowd pleaser if the US army blowsshit up in a michael bay movie...
"Cause this game is ABOUT MOTHERFUCKING MONEY!"
Oh I agree with you 100% (and love Idiocracy), but I've also become aware that complaining about Bay's particular brand of schlock cinema is going to do little in the way of changing things. At the end of the day, why waste the mental energy, you know what I mean? That's vitriol that could be devoted to the campaign of Donald Trump.RJ 17 said:Just because something sells doesn't mean it's good for the medium. Ever see that fun little movie called Idiocracy? It's a funny and terrifying look at a future brought upon us by the utter dumbing down of society.JaredJones said:Seriously though, as someone who has both never seen a Transformers movie start to finish and yet talks about them like they're the death of filmmaking, I say power to him. His movies *are* a source of enjoyment for millions of people, for better or for worse, in the same way that many (some) of us still consider Adam Sandler funny. As long as he keeps making more money than entire economies with each successive entry, who are we to tell him when enough is enough?
Going with "Well Bay's making money and entertaining millions of people so lets just let him keep doing what he's doing" is the kind of thing that will inevitably lead to someone getting to say the following line from that Idiocracy in our lifetime:
"The Number 1 movie in America was called Ass. And that's all it was...for 90 minutes. It won 8 Oscars that year, including Best Screenplay."
Personally I'd prefer my movies to not just be 90 minutes of someone's bare ass occasionally cutting loose a fart.
You clearly have a profound underestimation of how much vitriol I have bottled up inside me...there's more than enough to spread between both Bay - for sodomizing moviegoer's braincells with the Transformers movies while pissing all over their childhood with giant green gorillas that he's calling turtles - and Trump for...well...doing everything he's ever done, really.JaredJones said:Oh I agree with you 100% (and love Idiocracy), but I've also become aware that complaining about Bay's particular brand of schlock cinema is going to do little in the way of changing things. At the end of the day, why waste the mental energy, you know what I mean? That's vitriol that could be devoted to the campaign of Donald Trump.
Who says you have to remember it for it to be fun in the moment?omega 616 said:I'm usually all about that, expendables is great to me 'cos it is just that mindless shit but by fuck do these films lack even that quality.MrFalconfly said:Well I like them.
All of them.
They're brainless entertainment for when I just want to relax with a coke in one hand and a bag of chips in the other.
To prove my point, I described TF4 to my sister as "Optimus Prime, riding a robo T-Rex, brandishing a sword". She was sceptical at first, but after having seen it (with the mindset of it just being "dumb action") we loved it. It's fun, it's stupid, and it reminds us of what can be done when you're 7 years old, and don't have to keep "logic" in mind.
I've seen all these films, when I want to watch a film and can't find anything they are a last resort (never seen one more than once though). In all honesty I have zero clue which film is which any any other moments besides the transformers trying to hide from the kids parents, optimus riding a dino and some transformer climbing a pyramid ... 4 films and that is the sum total of what I remember of those films.
I've also seen the TMNT film and it's exactly the same as transformers but re-skinned to turtles.
I was going to say that none of them were good, except I notice now that you have quotation marks around good, suggesting you mean it in a particular sense that requires a bit of explaining to be true. Yeah, I guess you can say that then.Samtemdo8 said:Is it alright if I can say that 1 and 3 are the only "good" movies out of the bunch so far?
I especially liked the final act of T3.
The only good and I mean REALLY good Transformers thing was the Beast Wars Cartoon.RJ Dalton said:I was going to say that none of them were good, except I notice now that you have quotation marks around good, suggesting you mean it in a particular sense that requires a bit of explaining to be true. Yeah, I guess you can say that then.Samtemdo8 said:Is it alright if I can say that 1 and 3 are the only "good" movies out of the bunch so far?
I especially liked the final act of T3.
But honestly, why is Bay "the only one who can do it?" Any director could do it, and just about any other director could do it *better.*