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Andy Chalk said:
Microsoft says that's not the point - the point is that you can go shopping in your underwear.
Just like you can go online and pre-order/order games in your underwear for half the price.. Idiots.

Maquette said:
I wish they'd put Tales of Vesperia in the Games on Demand section. Even £50 is cheaper than the £80 - 100 it would cost to buy a physical copy online. ;A;
I got mine from Game.co.uk for like £25. I have never seen a game anywhere in the UK that costs £80-£100 apart from the legendary edition of Halo: Reach.
 

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Isn't £49.99 the RRP of console games in the UK? Most stores sell at £39.99 at most, however.
They attempted it around the start of this generation, and (unlike in the US) it didn't stick. Hence, £40 is the standard, and has been since at least the PS1/N64 era. Ultimately, the end game is to force the price up, but they've been quite unsuccessful at it thus far in the UK.
Pretty sure ps1 games retailed at £30. I think even most ps2 games were £30, I remeber thinking 'what the fuck?' when i saw ps3 games for £50. I'm sure most british people know when the're getting ripped off, £50 for a game? fuck that.
 

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Debirufisshu said:
Delusibeta said:
coldalarm said:
Isn't £49.99 the RRP of console games in the UK? Most stores sell at £39.99 at most, however.
They attempted it around the start of this generation, and (unlike in the US) it didn't stick. Hence, £40 is the standard, and has been since at least the PS1/N64 era. Ultimately, the end game is to force the price up, but they've been quite unsuccessful at it thus far in the UK.
Pretty sure ps1 games retailed at £30. I think even most ps2 games were £30, I remeber thinking 'what the fuck?' when i saw ps3 games for £50. I'm sure most british people know when the're getting ripped off, £50 for a game? fuck that.
All right then. Certainly, GameCube and N64 releases (in my experience) tended to by no more than £40 (although I'd imagine there were quite a few games selling at £50 in the early N64 days).
 

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Andy Chalk said:
I think I'll just keep holding out for Steam sales stick to retail, thanks.
Fixed that....well, more for myself than for you. :p

But seriously, this is just absurd. While I personally buy at retail since I prefer hard copies, I can understand why some people opt for digital distribution. Yet, this service that Microsoft has set up goes against preety much all the reasons why some people choose such a method of distribution.

This just goes to show that platform holders and publishers are pushing digital distribution primarily for their own benefit rather than that of their customers. Its not that they are pushing it beacuse it means cheaper prices for customers; they are pushing it beacuse it means a bigger slice of profits for them.
 

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Delusibeta said:
Debirufisshu said:
Delusibeta said:
coldalarm said:
Isn't £49.99 the RRP of console games in the UK? Most stores sell at £39.99 at most, however.
They attempted it around the start of this generation, and (unlike in the US) it didn't stick. Hence, £40 is the standard, and has been since at least the PS1/N64 era. Ultimately, the end game is to force the price up, but they've been quite unsuccessful at it thus far in the UK.
Pretty sure ps1 games retailed at £30. I think even most ps2 games were £30, I remeber thinking 'what the fuck?' when i saw ps3 games for £50. I'm sure most british people know when the're getting ripped off, £50 for a game? fuck that.
All right then. Certainly, GameCube and N64 releases (in my experience) tended to by no more than £40 (although I'd imagine there were quite a few games selling at £50 in the early N64 days).
I think the confusion here is N64 cartridges were actually very expensive (£50 in the late 90's) while PS1 undercut hugely with their CD based medium at around £29.99.

It seems to be PS1's £29.99 price point stuck right through the PS2 era and went up to £39.99 this generation though a few games can get away with charging £49.99 like CoD in some high-street stores like HMV, but still you could find it for closer to £40 in most places. It seems really that retail games can be HUGELY variable in price and it depends greatly on both when you buy and where you buy.

I really have no idea about what PC games cost in the 90's nor early 2000's, I was too young and then from 2000-2005 I didn't live in the UK.

Does anyone know how much game like Half Life, System Shock 2 and Quake Arena cost when they first released?
 

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Nurb said:
This is why it's so easy for pirates in general to justify themselves, and why paying customers decide not to pay when being treated like this more and more. Being a paying customer means being treated like a theif, then grabbed and shaken upside down for every nickle and dime. This is why I shed no tears for large companies who are targets of piracy.
Exactly! I have a ermm "friend" that shamelessly pirates console games. The way my "friend" looks at it is this. It's painfully obvious both M$ and Sony and all the large video game companies for the most part are doing very little these days with all the zero day DLC, jacked up prices, yearly sequels, etc to hide the fact they want as much of our money as they can get all while giving us as little of their product as they can get away with. Fair enough. However, the flip side (as my "friend" sees it) is that the reverse is also true. As long as they try to get as much of our money while giving us as little of their product as they can get away with then it's fair game we should be able to get as much of their product as we can for as little money as we can get away with. Sadly for them my "friend" and his ilk come out waaaaay ahead in this game.
 

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Lessee. For 81$, I can drive the 8 or so miles to the nearest Gamestop (call it $3 for gas, yay for Priuses) go buy a brand spanking new copy of Shogun 2: Total War ($49.99), and still have enough money left over for lunch, dinner, and a movie.

Way to go Microsoft.
 

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MS's next strategy: Charging triple the cost for a new release for the privilege of getting it 1 week early. However, playing it online before the release date will still crash your 360. Of course the "no refunds" policy will still be in place.
:p


All I can think of is they'd have to majorly upgrade their servers if G.o.D. really took off, and they don't want the expense. Insanely high prices are the only way their left hand can meet their corporate goal of offering games online while their right hand meets their goal of minimizing hardware costs.
 

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Reading this gave me the urge to go out and buy a copy of Halo Reach in my underwear in protest. That poor cashier would never recover.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
danpascooch said:
Who cares, if it's too high in the UK (it is) don't buy it on demand

It's that simple, if people are willing to pay that much you can't blame them for pricing it there, just stop complaining and buy physical copies instead, if enough people do that prices will go down.
Oh Lassaiz-Faire, you're the greatest asset in stamping out good consumers.

Errr...Sorry, I mean, "Who cares? Even though this has the potential to impact retail pricing and counts as price gouging, caring is bad and you're a bad person for caring."

This isn't localised to just the UK, so if you think that you're safe because you're elsewhere, you're wrong. This is actually "old news" in the states.

If you want games to remain reasonably priced at retail, you should care.
I'll start caring when there are no longer competitors offering the same game for cheaper, seriously, as long as there are physical and online stores such as Gamestop, Amazon, Ebay and others offering the game cheaper, why does anyone care if Microsoft is stupid enough to price it this high? Tell them to fuck off by not buying it, that's the most effective way to get the message across.
 

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So Microsoft is claiming that the ten quid mark-up over the games RRP is a convenience charge?

I live in England. A few days ago I got a Kindle. After opening the box I spent about an hour reading through the start up guide and connecting it to the internet. I then bought Before They Are Hanged by Joe Abercrombie for £4.99 from Amazon's Kindle store, compared to the £5.00 it would have cost me to order a physical copy from Amazon. The novel took less than 10 seconds to download. All in all, it was very simple, hassle free and pretty darned convenient. Oh, and I wasn't wearing any trousers at the time.

That sort of pricing seems to be pretty consistent across the board for the Kindle - either slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive but never too far either way. I guess Amazon must just be taking the convenience charge out of my bank account without telling me. That, or Microsoft is leaping on any flimsy excuse to gouge the crap out of the British.
 

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I NEVER buy games on consoles when i can get them on pc. downoadable titles? whats going to happen when my console dies or something? I really sad that one day i'll probably never be able to play LIMBO again. its not like microsoft are big on backwards compatibility.
 

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AngryMongoose said:
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Well played microsoft.
I'm assuming they're trying to make steam look better?
Hahahah, yeah I was thinking that too. Fantastic stuff.
 

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Therumancer said:
Honestly, their logic is similar to that used by small neighborhood stores. The store on the corner can charge so much more for a stick of butter, or a quart of milk, because it saves you the time, trouble, and gas of having to travel accross town to get it.
I disagree with this part of your post. Supermarkets are able to go lower compared to a corner store due to how much profit they make. They aren't just charging as such just for convenience. Besides I always drive to a supermarket - more variety. I prefer variety over convenience when it comes to food.
 

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Emz said:
Therumancer said:
Honestly, their logic is similar to that used by small neighborhood stores. The store on the corner can charge so much more for a stick of butter, or a quart of milk, because it saves you the time, trouble, and gas of having to travel accross town to get it.
I disagree with this part of your post. Supermarkets are able to go lower compared to a corner store due to how much profit they make. They aren't just charging as such just for convenience. Besides I always drive to a supermarket - more variety. I prefer variety over convenience when it comes to food.
Conveinence stores prey on people who don't want to take the time to go to a supermarket. You know, the wife needs a quart of milk for dinner, your watching TV, and don't want to drive accross town to get it even if they have 20 differant brands. You'll miss your show, and besides for that one thing your liable to lose more on gas than you pay the corner store.

Conveinence stores are also deceptive in how they operate. While there is the illusion that a lot of them are operated by mom and pop, a lot of them operating as massive chains. They buy in bulk as well, share warehouses, and everything else.

In some cases it's obvious when your looking at chains like "Cumberland Farms". In other cases it's less so. One of those little "secrets" is that there are a few companies based out of India and Pakistan in paticular that run chains of stores, they just don't use a logo or the same letterhead, but they DO wind up joining the collective. I've read a few things on it over the years, and it's one of those issues where there are racist accusations since the businesses refuse to let people not of the right ethnicities join the effort.

At any rate that's part of why you have the stereotype of indians running corner stores and such, and why you rarely see them in direct conflict with each other, areas with more than one store in close proximity typically have enough traffic to justify it.

Basically someone wants to start a store, perhaps even making the arrangement to run a business before they even come to this country, the corperation does the scouting much like a fast food place, and says "we think a store will do well here". Then the person pays to opt into it like a franchise, calls it whatever they want, and is involved with all the other stores in the group for bulk purchuses and such, it's just that instead of all the stuff going to a few big stores, it's scattered between a lot of small ones.

At least that's what I've read at any rate. Nothing especially malevolent about it unless you consider the racial allegations, which are basically akin to say a black guy approaching Mcdonalds to open a resteraunt, and being told they won't let him do it because only white people are around to own and operate Mcdonalds.

Of course that's hardly all inclusive, there are doubtlessly a number of companies operating like this under the radar that are ethnically based, that's just one of the big "examples" I'd mention.

None of this of course has much to do with video games or Microsoft's logic.
 

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Haha! That's completely ridiculous! :D

I could definitely afford to get a cab to my local copy of game, and probably pay the cabbie to go in and get the game for me, for that price hike! Ok maybe not get the cabbie to go in for me but you get what I mean. MS must be aware that when you buy a game from, say, Amazon it get's delivered to your door, right? I can do the online shopping in my kecks and answer the door in the same fashion... and get a few beers in with the cash I saved.
 

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For that price.. you can get it off amazon with express delivery and still get it cheaper (And maybe faster too)
 
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Seems kinda like a flawed arguement to me. So Microsoft is charging a mint for On Demand games because it's convenient? How is turning on my XBox and going to the XBox Marketplace more convenient than turning on my PC and going to Amazon? Hmmm.