Microsoft Exec: Offline Gamers Should Stick With Xbox 360

[CrystalShadow]

Oi, we actually do have good high speed connection (here in Australia), atleast some of us..... The NBN will help abit too, but regardless the XBone isn't even for those with perfect connection since once its servers are off so is your system :-/

Yes, well, given that I know a lot of people in Australia, I'd have to question that idea somewhat...

A while back I recall being on skype with someone in Brisbane who was kind of bragging about his 4 megabit connection as if it was some kind of big deal...

Meanwhile, here in England (which has a reputation for something like the worst internet provision in Europe or something... XD), I had a 10 megabit connection which basically amounted to the cheapest possible internet access I could get...
(Meanwhile, that same connection, at basically the same price, has since been upgraded to 20 megabits...)

And my experiences with everyone else I've been in contact with in Australia seem to back that up. (As does the comparatively low video quality of dedicated Australian sites.)

For that matter, the constant mention of monthly download limits... Sound unfortunate.
I'm so used to 'unlimited' internet these days (it's in quotes because they might slow down the connection if you use a lot of data during peak hours), but it still makes me wonder what the state of internet access is like in Australia...

And that's not even considering what happens if you're not in a major city...

(Just one of those things to worry about, given I may end up moving back to Australia sooner or later...)

I have 100mb/s internet, before this I had 80mb/s, then before that 30 etc etc, haven't had anything near 4mb/s for the last 5 years or so, then again i do live in Sydney which while not the capital, is the financial and business capital of the country.
I also have 500GB limit which I never even get near, it's basically unlimited to me

Well, that's pretty good. So, um, I'd say that things have improved a lot then. (at least, in some areas of the country).
500 GB isn't that bad... Though I suspect I average 200-300 GB a month on a much slower connection than yours.

But the problem with limits like that, regardless of what they are, is not whether you hit them or not, but what happens if you go past them...

Still, I'm glad to hear things in Australia aren't as bad as I thought.

 

[Gameguy20100]

Well Microsoft as the cynical friend said to the creator of the feces powered helicopter "this shit will not fly"

 

[SteewpidZombie]

*Myself in 60 years*

"That Billy is the story of how the great XboxOne came crashing down and turned itself into a pile of useless shit"

"Really Grandpa?"

"LOLZ dunno, I never found out since I was too busy with my PS4"

 

[Jesse Billingsley]

Microsoft, I will be keeping my 360, however I feel that this will be the very last time I use live ever......

 

[aelreth]

This is quite foolish, the price of the XboxOne can only go down after enough units are sold to repay the investment made in the R&D of the box.

 

[WarpZone]

Man. Wouldn't it be great if they really DID keep making Xbox 360 games after the Xbone drops? I keep saying we don't need a new console with slightly better graphics. The old ones are still working just fine after all these years. Wouldn't it be great if developers and gamers alike could just shrug and pretend like the Xbone never happened?

Sadly, I still expect Microdollarsignoft to forcibly kill the 360 by pulling the plug on all its services basically the day the Xbone hits stores, and possibly even pushing a firmware update that bricks it for single-player while they're at it. Microsoft's entire goal for this generation is to redefine gaming as something that you pay through the nose for and never own. For some reason, they imagine that clawing their way to the top of the heap this generation means that they can screw customers over in any manner they can think of, and get away with it, because apparently liking Halo means you're their ***** for life or something.

I like to think that this plan will be unsuccessful, and thus Microsoft will be forced to change their position in response to consumer demand, but the cynic in me worries that, yes, people really are that dumb. Or at least the Whales are.

(Captcha: Time Will Tell.) I swear, these things aren't predicting the future, they're influencing it by giving us ideas while we're still typing.

 

[RicoADF]

Well, that's pretty good. So, um, I'd say that things have improved a lot then. (at least, in some areas of the country).
500 GB isn't that bad... Though I suspect I average 200-300 GB a month on a much slower connection than yours.

But the problem with limits like that, regardless of what they are, is not whether you hit them or not, but what happens if you go past them...

Still, I'm glad to hear things in Australia aren't as bad as I thought.

Well if I somehow do go past them, then my speed gets dropped to 1.5mb/s, which would be my own fault for watching so much..... *ahem*.... videos, and downloading games from Steam. There are no extra costs, just the speed gets throttled alittle.

 

[Lightknight]

They're practically daring us to hate them. I'm genuinely confused here. Why say anything at all if this is the answer? It's a real "our way or the highway" line they're drawing in the sand.

This all feels like they're being combative with us (consumers). It just doesn't make sense. But with them saying that consumers don't really care about the details then I guess they feel like they can say and do whatever they want... I'm honestly afraid of them being right. I'm not going to buy their system now. I wanted to own both consoles for this next generation but they've all but dared me not to and I'm going to meet that dare head on. I can't buy it in good conscious if this is how they treat customers. Just saying that they've decided to go this route because they believe it to be a necessary step in the future of gaming is fine. Insulting customers is not.

 

[CrystalShadow]

Well, that's pretty good. So, um, I'd say that things have improved a lot then. (at least, in some areas of the country).
500 GB isn't that bad... Though I suspect I average 200-300 GB a month on a much slower connection than yours.

But the problem with limits like that, regardless of what they are, is not whether you hit them or not, but what happens if you go past them...

Still, I'm glad to hear things in Australia aren't as bad as I thought.

Well if I somehow do go past them, then my speed gets dropped to 1.5mb/s, which would be my own fault for watching so much..... *ahem*.... videos, and downloading games from Steam. There are no extra costs, just the speed gets throttled alittle.

Yeah, that's not too bad. It's about the same as what I'm faced with, but they calculate my limits based on daily use (and also when it's used). Between midnight and 6 am they don't care what I do... At around 6-12 pm it's very easy to reach the cap for that period, and my speed goes down to about 3 megabits or less.

Having your speed reduced isn't so bad... It's the companies that charge you per gigabyte (or per megabyte back in the early days... XD) that can really make a big mess...

 

[J Tyran]

Not really, even if the Xbone was console Jesus its market penetration would be slow at first. Some people cant or wont afford one, others might want to sit on the fence for a bit and see which console gets the best support. Other gamers might want to avoid that horrible post launch drought of releases, if both the 360 and the Xbone are profitable it doesn't really matter.

Which would be great if those were the people Microsoft was addressing.

You don't need to make excuses for them.

Not making excuses for them, there are none to be had. Marketing the 360 is a good business practice whatever your or my personal feelings about the Xbone are, honestly it sounds like you really want an Xbone and personally offended because you feel excluded somehow.

 

[The Great JT]

Allow me to say what everyone else is saying Microsoft's saying.

"If you can't get online, go f%$k yourself."

 

[viranimus]

Oh yes, I am certain Microsoft will continue to support the 360 for more than a year past the Xbominations release. Mmm hmm.

And a couple caveats that they still seemingly do not grasp. It does not matter if anyone has an internet connection or not.

I know I have 4 computers, PS3, 360, JXD 7300, Smaller android tablet,phones, and many other internet "capable" devices, however the two true game consoles are NOT connected to the internet specifically because there is no reason for them to be.

That misconception comes specifically because the absolute fallacy that is wrongly perpetuated that

things generally are better on the internet

Because there are few things on the net that have ever been typed that were more untrue. The internet in fact tends to make things worse. The gaming industry has for the last decade been forefront proof to that. From every spoiled mouthy "chocolate milk kid" to Ubisoft, day 1DLC, Online passes, to the Xbomination for every single "positive" online connectivity has added to gaming it has been met and countered tenfold.

So if people have the wrong idea and actually think the net makes anything better, they are going to be gullible enough to fall for the thought that the only people who could possibly complain are those without internet access.

Its not nor will ever be about having access or not, its about a company having absolutely no reason or right to utilize internet access to piss in the face of their and in fact all potential customers.

 

[Lord_Gremlin]

No, offline gamers should buy Wii U, PS4 or both.
This guy will get himself fired. Like the "dealwithit" guy.

I really want MS out of game industry. It would be best if it's Nintendo vs Sony in war of exclusives.

 

[otakon17]

The sad thing is the console will still sell relatively well when ignorant dudebros are going to dish out $500 so they can play the next COD and BF4.

Like it or not those so-called dude bros are bringing in piles of money to support your hobby, so perhaps acting like a jackass to them isn't the best course of action.

Except it's the wrong kind of message. It's telling them we support these atrocious practices because of the ignorant. And I don't mean that as an insult, just as saying those who don't know the whole story on what they're buying into or doing when purchasing an Xbox One just BECAUSE it's the newest thing and the next "upgrade". Which from my point of view, is not besides graphics.

OT: Wow... where do they keep getting these guys?

 

[Falsename]

"Are.... are you sure? I mean I was kind of looking forward to a new... Oh ok. But didn't.... yeah.... yeah you're right.

I mean I just kind of expected more after all we've.... No I know just let me finish! I.... Stop interrupting me.

Look! All I'm saying is after having so much fun together I don't know why you can't just help me out. Maybe let me play offline. I mean, If the Xbox 360 is for the offline games does that mean you're still releasing said games to the Xbox 360 or will I need the new one to play Halo 5?

No?... Oh.... Oh ok. So then.... yeah I get it.

We had a good run Xbox but, I think it's time I be moving on. Maybe find someone who will treat me right. Just know that I thought we had something special. Goodbye".


*Walking down the street with my new partner, and the old partner walks past us*

"Oh hey Xbox, how're you? You look great how's life been? Huh?... Oh this is PS4 my new partner. Sooo.... this is pretty awkward......"

 

[Something Amyss]

Marketing the 360 is a good business practice whatever your or my personal feelings about the Xbone are, honestly it sounds like you really want an Xbone and personally offended because you feel excluded somehow.

No need for projection, honey. I'm not the one making up reasons that it's a good idea to alienate your base and then reduce potential customers.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Microsoft is just one bungle after another.

Hey, Microsoft. WHEN YOUR BEST SUPPORT RIGHT NOW IS AN ANONYMOUS REDDIT USER WHO IS CLARIFYING MANY RUMORS ABOUT THE XBONE THAT YOU FUCKING STARTED, I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST GIVE UP AND STOP DEVELOPING THE XBONE BEFORE YOU INSULT ANYONE DUMB ENOUGH TO BUY IT. [http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1g8t5e/lets_clear_up_the_issues_used_games_kinect/]

 

[TallanKhan]

How has the PR department not told this guy to be quiet? He's gonna get himself fired.

I suspect the fact that they failed to keep him quiet might have put the PR department themselves in the firing line...

 

[Starke]

They really do live in a bubble walled off from reality don't they?

Redmond's weird. It's kind of contiguous with Bellevue (you can make your own asylum joke if you want), and Microsoft has offices there too... but it doesn't really connect to Kirkland, there's a greenbelt between them (I think), and it doesn't really connect to anything else in the area... so... yep. It's its own little insular world.

 

[Starke]

As a man who makes his living off of customer service, market analysis, and business partnering this is just amazing for me to watch. Sort of like a concert violinist watching a drunken meth addict play a two-string guitar while he's on fire.

How can Microsoft, a major company, be THIS terrible at PR that they explicitly tell consumer bases not to buy their newest gadget and that gamers fears are just the process of them "imagining outcomes"?! Did they fire their entire legal/PR staff? If not, they need to slap some shovels out of their representatives hands before they dig themselves any deeper.

All I can think is that Microsoft has been watching Apple dictate terms for the last... shit, ten years? And finally got it in their head that the key to slurping up that demographic was to be abusive controlling jackasses. I mean, the entire "it worked for Apple, so it's our key to success" seems to be the thought process at work here.

Though, that certainly doesn't explain the massive PR blunders they've been leaping into. I guess that kinda explains the Orth thing, where he was pulling the internal climate and vomiting it up on Twitter, though, how that ended up on the E3 floor blows my mind.