I just edited it so its less offensive and i already got a mark for making the same post in another tread so ive learned my lesson.FalloutJack said:
Microsoft Exec on Always Online Consoles: "Deal With it"
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I'm a little late jumping into this, but it's entirely possible the guy was joking. Making an always-on console would be market suicide.
Yeah, the linkedin profile going dark is not a good sign, I'll grant you. And if he does actually get waxed from the company over this, it'll be more than a little unusual.Desert Punk said:
Also, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, the last couple days have been... unusual.
OUCH! That's gonna burn!Norrdicus said:Sony CEO Kaz Hirai, what do you have to say about this?
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What is this "normal" you speak of?Desert Punk said:I dont know, my company has fired some of our lieutenants for public fuck up's far less severe than this, so maybe my boss is just a hardass but this seems normal to meStarke said:
And no worries, I am a patient person...waiting...stalking...er... I hope things are being more normal on your end!
And, yeah, your boss is probably a hardass.
It isn't unusual for people to get terminated in situations like this, but it is substantially more usual for someone in management, or project directors to get dispatched this way. There's a couple reasons:One is that the peons at the bottom of the food chain are infinitely more replaceable, so depending on how much the company's put into them, it could be far cheaper to just throw them under the bus and find new, rather than deal with whatever they spouted.
Second, managers, as a general rule, are far more integral to their projects. That is to say, their team is, well, theirs, and removing them could potentially cause the team to start hemorrhaging personnel (the Infinity Ward debacle from last year is a good example of this). Additionally, even if the team is still loyal to the parent company, the manager is there to get the best results from the team. Even if the team stays intact, whoever is brought in to replace it will have to learn the dynamics within the team, or, if they're promoted, pick up where their boss left off, with the obvious morale hit of being told they're imminently replaceable.
Third, so, not a couple reasons, there are more people at the bottom of the food chain than at the top, so statistically, it's less likely. There's also the fact that the higher up the corporate food chain you are, the fewer people you answer to, and the lower the chance of having someone like, well, your boss.
For them to have actually fired him, assuming what I've seen about him a senior member of the Durango development team is accurate, it means that they're willing to risk the team coming apart at the seams to get rid of him. So either he's been a major fuckup already, internally, and this was, to mutilate a metaphor beyond recognition, the straw that broke the water's surface... Microsoft is confident that the outrage is against him, not against the apparent system implementation, and didn't want attention drawn to the AODRM. Or he's managed to alienate the team he's running... which isn't really a good situation in it's own right, and doesn't say hopeful things about the eventual console's condition at launch... or ever, for that matter.
Or... I don't know. It's possible his Linkedin account was taken down because of harassing messages. That seems more likely at least to some extent, and kicking him out the door would be something Microsoft has no real interest in covering up... "hey, here's a guy who did a stupid thing, and we got rid of him because we're not with him," or something along those lines.
Oh ho ho ho, look, the "I'm saying Nazi without using the exact word" trick.Kael Arawn said:
Say, I never knew that people in favor of always-on DRM (or whatever) were an "ethnicity" to begin with...
I'm sorry, what? You're basically insulting, repeatedly, people who are voicing a legitimate concern; you refuse to try and see where they're coming from, instead you belittle them and treat them with not a shred of basic human dignity.
All you're accomplishing is coming across as a highly unpleasant person and shooting your own case down from orbit while you're at it.
It's no "less offensive", really. Sure you didn't use that one specific word, but your post is not a spiff less offensive than it was when it was still in there.Kael Arawn said:
Yeah ... more like "I will not buy a mobile phone that requires reception to use features that don't actually need it". Because even if your reception is crystal clear all the time, that's still a terrible idea.
The idea is to try and minimize the dependency on the unstable resource. Creating an artificial dependency, then, is a really bad move, especially when none of your competitors do the same.
Wait, you don't know what happened to Vault?GamerMage said:How appropriate. Also,what happenned to Vault?Desert Punk said:This website really needs a like buttonNorrdicus said:Sony CEO Kaz Hirai, what do you have to say about this?
Hello?
You ther-
And that picture he has...that is just so perfect for the statment he made!
He/she posted a image of a crying baby in response to a thread and got banned for it.
Not even going to touch the next Xbox system if this turns out to be true. I'm a PlayStation fan so I didn't have much interest in the next Xbox to begin with but this is just downright stupid, please MS don't do this. I want the Xbox to still be around and competing because more competition is always good for the industry. And that CEO guy is an asshole.
But wow I have never seen so much bad press about a product before in my life, especially before it's even out. I don't understand why MS just won't come out and say these rumors are all false if they arn't true, I know they are seeing the public backlash this is getting and it's only going to hurt them.
All we can do now is wait until E3 and hope for the best. If true then goodbye 720, hello PS4. Deal with THAT Microsoft!
But wow I have never seen so much bad press about a product before in my life, especially before it's even out. I don't understand why MS just won't come out and say these rumors are all false if they arn't true, I know they are seeing the public backlash this is getting and it's only going to hurt them.
All we can do now is wait until E3 and hope for the best. If true then goodbye 720, hello PS4. Deal with THAT Microsoft!
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He's right. That's still a really offensive thing to say to people, and it's wrong.Vegosiux said:
Put simply, the gaming industry was not always like this. It wasn't the kind of competition that survives by shitting on others. Not us and not the other companies. It use to be about...just selling the product. You build it up, you talk about it, the consumer chooses, you learn from success or failure, and then you repeat. These days, steps one and two are handled poorly so as to trick people into believing the product is gold when it may be non-functional, thereby manipulating step three without any shame at all, even though it's bad business and sometimes QUITE illegal. Furthermore, it's very very VERY frigging clear that nobody follows step four at all, the learning curve.
Business use to be about business: Product, Market, Profit, and no screwing around. Honesty is a thing they don't really care about much now, so you have to ram it in their faces to stop that sneaky shit by any means at your disposal. And don't frigging tell me to 'deal with it', like I should take a paddling like a good boy when I've done no wrong. I'm not even among the victimized, but I have the capacity for a little sympathy. And so, if I don't like the product, I will not touch it. And if I want to shout about it, I will shout. And if I want to tell others what I think and why, then I will. It's down to them to believe or disbelieve. Your problem is that they believe.
You don't want people up in arms about something, when they certainly have the right if they want to. If peoplle don't like what they hear on the internet, there's no rule that says they can't say so in a manner of their own choosing. Granted, there are forum rules regarding behavior, but then I didn't invoke Godwin's Law.
I was actually considering getting the next xbox since Microsoft entices developers to shit on PS3 users with downgraded (graphically)game ports and delayed DLC. However if they truly think always online is the way to go then I wish them all the luck in the world while I play on my PS4.
Microsoft's policy has always been an aggressive marketing campaign to get users to buy more Macs and Sony Playstations (-1, -2,-3, and now -4) . This is all part of that.
Why are you all surprised?
Why are you all surprised?
Phones need phone signal to work. Vacuum cleaners need power to work. Video games do NOT need the internet to work, and though it's a nice addition, there's no actual advantage to forcing players to use it when they needn't.
Really? Fucking Beloit is a wasteland of internet access? You're about an hour and a half from Madison and Chicago and you can't get better than a fraction of broadband? I live up in Marquette, a town of 20,000 an hour away from the nearest town of 10,000, and I can get a connection of 300Mbps. My fucking grandparents live outside of a town with two streets on a goddamn island and they've got a better internet connection than you. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is one of the most sparsely populated sections east of the Mississipi, and you're telling me we can get a better internet connection than southern Wisconsin?TheSpyIsASpyWDZ said: