Microsoft: Kinect Shortages "Absolutely Not a Strategy"

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Microsoft: Kinect Shortages "Absolutely Not a Strategy"


Neil Thompson of Microsoft says that despite the popular conspiracy theories, the short supplies of Kinect [http://www.amazon.com/Kinect-Sensor-Adventures-Xbox-360/dp/B002BSA298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291652477&sr=8-1] aren't being managed but simply reflects the fact that it takes time to get the things built and out to store.

If Nintendo taught us anything with the Wii, it's that the best way to get people to fight like starving dogs over something is to tell them there's keeping a tight rein [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/83438-Nintendo-of-America-President-Decries-Wii-Shortage] on inventories in order to whip up demand. But Thompson, the general manager of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division for the U.K. and Ireland, says the truth is a whole lot simpler: not even Microsoft can snap its fingers and make this stuff magically appear on shelves.

"Anyone who actually works in the business of producing new technology, especially hardware technology, will know that these things are never managed," Thompson told GamesIndustry [http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-12-03-thompson-kinect-shortages-are-absolutely-not-engineered]. "Everyone else loves to think that they're managed, but they will know it's not. It's a function of coming to market with a brand new innovation and you have to scale up."

"The choices you always have are: do we launch in November or do we wait until February, March when we could hit some bigger launch numbers but then we miss Christmas. So you're always in this fine balance, saying, 'Well, we want to give people the product as soon as we can, but you can't switch on the manufacturing like water.' It takes time to scale," he continued. "It's absolutely not a strategy, we want to get the product into consumers hands as quickly as we can because we think its exciting, it's innovative. We wanted to do that for Christmas and that's what we've done. We've built a really strong supply and resupply chain over the coming weeks."

I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors but as someone with a certain degree of insight into the tenth circle of Hell known as retail, I can say that Kinect supplies aren't just tight, they're painful. If Microsoft is faking it, it's doing the most perfect job imaginable of making it appear that they really just don't have any product to ship. When customers are being turned away without even a hint of hope for big shipments in the offing, that's not sharp marketing - that's just damaging.


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Veloxe

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Not to be coy but isn't releasing hardware when you know there will be shortages of, just in time for the Christmas rush, a strategy in itself?
 

StriderShinryu

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But.. but.. but.. I thought Kinect only cost $56 in spare parts to make! Surely there's nothing more to the process than that, right?

But yeah, inventory management only works when you can ultimately get almost everyone the item in the end anyway. No one would choose to end up driving their customers to make another product choice, especially seeing as how now there are 3 viable motion control platforms.
 

JeanLuc761

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Working at Gamestop, it's becoming very difficult to tell customers that we're simply out of standalone Kinect units and that we haven't had a 250gb Xbox 360 in stock for over a week. I know it takes time to build these things and there's an incredible amount of demand, but it's still not easy to turn these customers away.
 
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Andy Chalk said:
"Anyone who actually works in the business of producing new technology, especially hardware technology, will know that these things are never managed. Everyone else loves to think that they're managed, but they will know it's not. It's a function of coming to market with a brand new innovation and you have to scale up."


Part of your job is to manage, part of the job is to increase profitability.

Either you are incredibly lucky that your incompetence has paid off better than you could hope for, or you're in damage control mode. And that's where you'll stay, I believe.

Especially when the new "red ring" suddenly starts appearing. Should be just about December 27th, when people try to return them.
 

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I wasn't aware there was a shortage of them, at least in the UK.

Walked through PC World on Saturday and there was a good 20 of 'em (At least!) stacked up and on display, so maybe it's not affecting the UK as much. Mind you, a lot of houses in the UK probably aren't big enough for Kinect.
 

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"It's absolutely not a strategy. Please quote me on that and forward it to all the big gaming news outlets."

Hahaha, it's interesting to think of hardware production as this chaotic, unmanaged mess with stumbling idiots. Hehehe this is the Kinect warehouse:

 

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coldalarm said:
I wasn't aware there was a shortage of them, at least in the UK.

Walked through PC World on Saturday and there was a good 20 of 'em (At least!) stacked up and on display, so maybe it's not affecting the UK as much. Mind you, a lot of houses in the UK probably aren't big enough for Kinect.
Houses in the UK are on average something like half the size of those in the US so you are probably right.
 

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I don't know of a single person with the Kinect.

I know of one person with the Move (me).

I'm going to argue that any shortages are completely strategic.
 

RatRace123

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Well if a Microsoft PR person says it, it must be true.

Yeah, not buying it. (The story or the hardware)
 

Dexiro

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Did anyone actually say it was a strategy before they got all overly defensive? I've never heard anyone say that was a strategy.
 

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Credge said:
I don't know of a single person with the Kinect.

I know of one person with the Move (me).

I'm going to argue that any shortages are completely strategic.
I don't think that counts as a random sample.
 

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If Kinects take so little to make, there should be no excuse for Microsoft not to have any.

Even if they're being sold really fast, they should have learned from Nintendo's mistake.

Of course, this is all assuming that Microsoft isn't PURPOSEFULLY limiting their Kinect supplies, which is quite a possibility. Bastards.
 

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I wandered into GameStop to trade in some stuff the Saturday Kinect came out, and picked one up on a whim, no problem. And every time I go into Target, Besty Buy, or Gamestop, I see at least a few just sitting on the shelves. Doesn't look like a shortage to me.
 

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What I think of this situation:

Microsoft Exec: "This is definitely not a strategy *wink"
Interviewer: "Why did you just wink?"
Microsoft Exec: "I didn't *wink"
Interviewer: "There you did it again, why?"
Microsoft Exec: *wink
 

mjc0961

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Andy Chalk said:
Well, we want to give people the product as soon as we can, but you can't switch on the manufacturing like water.
Right there it is. Some people think they don't make enough on purpose. These people clearly do not use their brains for proper thinking. If they could make more and faster and get them on store shelves so they would actually sell more and make more money, they would. But you can't just increase manufacturing of the things without doing something extremely drastic like buying an whole new plant to work on making them.
 

Im Nightmare

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Lol if you want a kinect come to Pa. I went to walmart last night and there were about 50 of the things there.
 

Tom Phoenix

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Andy Chalk said:
If Nintendo taught us anything with the Wii, it's that the best way to get people to fight like starving dogs over something is to tell them there's not enough for everyone [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/83438-Nintendo-of-America-President-Decries-Wii-Shortage].
Or, you know, there really wasn't enough Wii for everyone. While high demand is a good thing, shortages are not, beacuse they pose a company with a difficult conundrum. On one hand, they cannot afford to oversupply, since if the momentum suddenly dies down, they run the risk of overstocking and suffering massive financial damages due to wasted manhours and resources. On the other, if a product is frequently out of stock, customers might (out of frustration) decide to buy a used one instead or change their minds about buying the product at all. Considering that used Wii's were going for as much as $700, I think it is quite likely Nintendo faced such a problem.

Why do you think the 3DS has such a high price tag in Japan? While the strenghthening of the Yen and production costs of 3D screen are probably part of the reason, keeping demand in check is quite likely another.