Microsoft Studios Exec Cautions Valve on Launching Hardware

[Vigormortis]

A Valve steam wallet card is the size of a card. A console is the size of a console.

THis has been todays episode of "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it". Tomorrow? We'll be talking to wrestling fans who still think its real.

Wow, way to go being dismissive AND not addressing the point. If this is the usual format for "Foolproof needs to explain the obvious to people who seem to have forgotten it", then it may very well be the greatest comedy ever. If the most hypocritical.

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So we're going to argue store-front space now? Seriously?

I guess you've never heard of a warehouse before? Perhaps the "back room" of a shop, even?

Or were you under the impression that the only stock a store keeps is on the shelves up front?

Something you need to understand: If a company can sell a product and turn a significant enough profit from it's sale, they really don't care from where or from who the product beckons. If it's making them money, they'll peddle it.

Unless it involves human rights violations. Then they'll just sell it discreetly.

 

[viranimus]

Well, first Ive heard of a confirmation of the steambox. Words cannot properly express just how much of a catastrophic failure I hope this ends up being.

However I think this is only going to serve to hurt things like the OUYA out of the gate. Eventually it might overtake one of the big 3, but that will easily take most of a generational cycle if not more. I would be relatively OK with valve booting Sony into abandoning hardware for all the atrocities they have committed this generation, but valve has its own problems on that ledger.

Sadly... illogical and rampant fanboyism will at least initially inflate this things viability. Heres hoping that "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" comes to pass here, for the good of all gamers.

 

[Upbeat Zombie]

What he's saying is true regardless of the reason for Harrison making the statement. I hope Valve have this console fully thought out, and all their bases covered. I would hate to see them take a big loss over this.

 

[Brainwreck]

Look. Valve will inevitably take over Earth in about 2 years. They'll probably conquer the first extraterrestrial race in a decade. By next century, they'll own this universe, and a few parallel ones to boot.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

 

[BX3]

We can talk about Micro being scared and hating competition and additional jeering-comment-without-reading-article all we want. Maybe you're right and he's just playing nice as to not get bad press, but his assertions are the furthest from wrong that you can get.

Hope Steam's up to it; shit's about to get real.

 

[Calcium]

A lot of people are throwing the "must be scared" idea out there, but sounds wise enough to me. THQ being the example which springs to mind.

However, from theories I've heard, the SteamBox might not be a single piece of hardware but some form of... liscensed specifications? I'm not sure that's the best way to put it. But my point is, Valve would have a significantly reduced risk if this is their plan compared to releasing a standalone console.

 

[Snotnarok]

I really think Microsoft needs to step back and remember that they're not exactly kings of product making considering their awful decisions leading to an ultimately flawed and defective machine that cooks its own guts and it's several attempts to remedy it not exactly always proving successful.

If Nvidia is doing the building and Valve is doing the software...ing, then there's a lot of potential. I don't have any interest in their product but ...it could be interesting.

 

[Strazdas]

Oh, look, we got new product competing with outs? what to do, what to do? improve our product? no lets defame the new one instead.

However, he hesitated to use Steam as a benchmark of success. "Xbox Live as a foundation, the reach we have and the experience we deliver is a great place to build on."

I am not quite sure I understand this statement. It seems to innitially imply that he wants to use an example of success but at the same time seems to endorse XBox Live as a place to build on... for... the... Steam Box?! Or he is implying that its foundation was what allowed them (Microsoft and its second console) to succeed in the current market?

I am completely lost, someone is going to have to break it down for this dumbass (me).

yep, i coulnt understand what he was trying to say either. typical microsoft spokesman i guess?

 

[Harbinger_]

Cautionary words aside, Harrison saw the increased competition from Valve, Nvidia and Ouya as "a win for everybody" in the end. "Any new entrant, without being specific to any company or brand or product, to the games industry is ultimately a good thing, because it helps validate, grow and enhance consumer excitement and consumer interest in our category."

Good man and well said.

I completely agree. It's nice to see an industry professional not putting their foot in their mouth and at the very least being diplomatic rather than aggressive.

 

[MammothBlade]

I am also cautious. Valve do not have much experience in manufacturing. But neither did Microsoft really, when they first launched the XBOX.

Their console needs to be cheap, lightweight, and have a good catalogue of games from the offset. The last point will be easy if everything is derivative from steam, but making sure that said console can run all the games on steam will be more problematic. Even moreso as it's based on Linux.

 

[Killimus2188]

Valve's free Steam service with be open source, has a great distribution network, an already established community, and easily the best deals on games (humble bundles aside) available to consumers.

Last time I checked, Xbox Live is a paid service that has nothing on the bigger side of sales, is closed off to Microsoft's iron fist, AND just loves to plaster your screen in ads. The only reason MS would stand a chance in the next console generation is the mindless drones who will buy it because they can't unhinge Xbox and COD from each other. If any company has the drive to enter the console market, it's Valve.

 

[darksakul]

So just because Microsoft can't make a game console that is worth a shit (1 out of 3 Xbox 360 consoles will Red ring out of the box) that they have to give Valve a hard time.
Well sorry Microsoft that one of your former employees (Gabe Newell) left to make a gaming company that not just hugely successfully but are now going to compete against your piss-poor excuse for a gaming system. That they are also going to do it with out Windows ether.

Keep in mind Nintendo originally made playing Cards, Sony sold 2nd hand bomb-damaged merchandise before making Japan's first tape recorder the type-g. Microsoft they worked 2nd banana as the company Apple outsourced much of its original software to, then they got contracted by IBM and the US Government.

Remember about a year or so ago Valve was pickling up and hiring some of the Internet's brightest hardware modders, electronic hobbyist and DIY gurus. I think that all went to making this console.

 

[Daniel Harvison]

I've read a few of the posts here, and I think there are a couple of things that people don't quite get yet.
Firstly, yes, Valve's "official" steambox will be running linux, and that might be seen as hampering adoption of the service, BUT:
There will be third party "steam capable" type machines being put out by various companies, the "steambox" you have on your desktop is perfectly capable of running this service, and the games that are/will be involved. Also, the linux version of Steam out now is just a beta. There aren't all that many linux games yet, but hopefully that will change.
I have my own desktop PC running linux, plus the windows and linux versions of Steam. I won't need a steambox to take advantage of it. It will work equally well with desktop pc's, running windows or linux, hopefully.
I also see this as a move to take direction and development of the pc gaming ecosystem out of Microsoft's sole control. Like when MS releases a new DirectX, and everyone now has to jump on it and adopt it, or having to tie in a lot of stuff to DotNet. There will be the possibility of other pressures on the evolution of PC gaming apart from Microsoft, and I think that might be the main benefit in the end.

 

[ResonanceSD]

"Please don't compete with us, I'm BEGGING YOU DONT COMPETE WITH US"

 

[VoidWanderer]

"It's not just having a great brand or a great software experience. It's about having a supply chain and a distribution model and a manufacturing capacity and all the things that go with it. It's a non-trivial problem to solve and it takes thousands of people to make reality," he continued.

Harrison also stated that he "admired" Valve and their achievements with digital distribution, as well as their role in the industry. However, he hesitated to use Steam as a benchmark of success. "Xbox Live as a foundation, the reach we have and the experience we deliver is a great place to build on."

Microsoft is saying this?

They finally got an OS that people enjoyed using after the 98SE mess and 'The OS that shall not be named', who then decided to use an App Store approach to 'improving' user experience...

And isn't Xbox Live considered the most acidic gaming community, especially in the Halo/COD servers?

Given that Steam has been the big pioneer for PC gaming since... Windows, I am not at all surprised at this ... interesting observation.

 

[Do4600]

If Valve does anything to the console market like it did to the digital distribution market Phil Harrison is fucked and I hope he knows it. Valve is poised to release an open console the likes of which have never been seen, they just make good business and press decisions, far better than Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.

Take their success in Russia, they were cautioned against the Russian market because of the prevalence of piracy but they realized they just had to provide a better service, which they did and their business exploded in a way that no other video game entertainment company has ever seen.

Valve proves just how incompetent other entertainment companies are by doing the "impossible". The reason I believe Valve has a solid shot at producing consoles successfully is specifically because they won't take hints from other companies because other companies are constantly fucking up as we hear about every week on this very website. Valve adapts and innovates and it turns out that that is an incredibly good business practice.