Microsoft's Yusuf Mehdi: We Need To Educate Consumers

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Weaver

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Microsoft needs to get out of their Redmond bubble and see the world.
I interviewed with them in Redmond; the whole thing is a weird, 40,000 person echo chamber. For those who don't know. all development and engineering takes place in Redmond only. None of their other locations across the world are involved, or even in the know, about most of what's being made while in development. Not, at least, until it's close to launch.

This puts them into a very isolated situation where only a small set of people who can provide input. Microsoft pays well, Redmond has good internet; thus when everyone you know is always online, is technically savvy, has large enough living space for the kinekt, everyone lives in America, and has enough money that $500 is nothing... you start to think that's basically everyone.

If they had actually attempted to validate the market at all they would have seen this was a bad idea.

And, while I also agree that most consumers aren't knowledgeable I think it is frankly hilarious to assume that doesn't matter. Most consumers aren't knowledgeable, and thus likely won't even know when the new xbox is releasing. If they do, they won't care enough to line up to get one.

What tends to happen is the early adopters and people who know these things are consulted by the "uneducated consumers". If my sister wanted to stream movies and ask me what she should get, a PS4 or XBone, I'd tell her PS4. And trust me, before she spends 400 - 500 dollars she's going to do her research on to what is the best option for her. This is what MS doesn't understand, not everyone is making 80 - 300k a year in MS dollars.

When the vast majority of the people who are technically savvy are against your consoles, some of these people will be in a sort of consulting role for their friends and family. And they WILL be consulted because, for most people, $500 is actually a lot of money.

What a fucking ****.
 

Ashoten

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""As for DRM and used games, limits and potentially fees are a necessary evil, Mehdi claims, as Microsoft needs to keep publishers happy as well as consumers.""

So here is MS throwing the publishers under the bus again to try and justify draconian rules. They could do everything they want with the "Digital" without having all those restrictions in place. I really want PS4 to succeed just to put MS in the ground over their BS.
 

zidine100

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so basically this console is some misguided teenager screaming you don't understand me.

... must resist urge to make a meme pic out o that one.


on a side note im not going to bother to comment on most of the interview, because, well look above and below youll see me views more than likely already here, but i just have to post how ironic this one is.
"We do want to support everyone in that system, beginning with the consumer,"
Im just going to drop this one here
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.793675-Xbox-One-Limited-To-21-Countries-At-Launch#19712810
remember that thread anyone?
 

gamegod25

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"In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details," said Mehdi. "We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

Translation: Our target demographic is idiots and stupid fanboys who won't care that we are screwing them over.

I will give him this, he is right about the market will decide. And judging by the number of PS4 to Xbone pre-orders, MS is not going to like what it has chosen.
 

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You know, I used to think I'd skip the Xbox One and just keep my old 360 to play games on. I liked my 360 and I was planning on continuing buying new games for it but every time one of these guys opens his mouth to clear things up for us, I just feel more insulted. Now I'm thinking of strictly buying games for the PS3.

Not only do I want nothing to do with the Xbox One, but they're now turning me against my 360.
 

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Irridium said:
I love how Microsoft is basically saying the exact same crap Sony was saying when they revealed the PS3.
And as I recall, things weren't too pleasant for Sony in the early days of the PS3 because of that. They were forced to learn a hard lesson in humility. Apparently, corporate executives are not capable of learning from history or the example of others. They only learn by direct pain applied to them.

(Creak of wallets opening. Slap of wallets closing. Anything else is just ignored.)
 

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I'm already getting burnt out of all the xbox controversy crap. Can someone please just tell MS to shut up? We get it they are banking on soccer moms and kids too young to know they are being virtually thrown into a private prison for sales.
 

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Step 1) Claim that consumers need "re-education"
Step 2) Claim that you are only interested in consumers who don't give a crap anyway
Step 3) GIVE JIM STERLING SO MANY THINGS TO ***** ABOUT HE ENDS UP SWALLOWING HIS LATEX FIST
Step 4) Profit!


Really, at this pace, there'll need to be a daily Jimquisition update, if only to serve as a cathartic release for the shared rage.
 

geizr

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zidine100 said:
so basically this console is some misguided teenager screaming you don't understand me.

... must resist urge to make a meme pic out o that one.


on a side note im not going to bother to comment on most of the interview, because, well look above and below youll see me views more than likely already here, but i just have to post how ironic this one is.
"We do want to support everyone in that system, beginning with the consumer,"
Im just going to drop this one here
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.793675-Xbox-One-Limited-To-21-Countries-At-Launch#19712810
remember that thread anyone?
Wow! I just posted earlier the question if it's possible for Microsoft to fuck itself any harder. You've just shown that the answer to that question is an emphatic "YES"!

I think I've had enough of this. This is so disgusting, the popcorn no longer tastes good. Have fun guys.
 

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Karloff said:
And the negativity? Well, it may not matter so much to Microsoft. Sure, core gamers complain, but the folks who don't really pay attention and who just want a fancy box will be fine with Microsoft's Xbox One. "In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details," said Mehdi. "We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."
Wow. So people will buy the product when they don't know about it.
Microsoft angers core gamers at their own risk. We may be a smaller part of the market at large, but we still affect it. Those folks who don't pay attention? We're the guy in their office they talk to when they want to buy a game for their kids. We're the people working in Gamestop and electronics departments in stores when they come in to buy a console for their families. If we want them to walk out with a PS4, all we have to do is tell them about those little details Mehdi doesn't want them to know about.
 

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Good lord did he just say they were hoping people won't look into the details of a £429/$499 purchase whilst telling us we need educating? Microsoft's unbridled hypocrisy is sickening, the onion couldn't come up with this stuff.
 

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So there's a lot of education they need to provide the public, but their success depends on people who "don't pay attention to a lot of the details".

Glad we cleared that up...

Funny thing, though- I think Microsoft has convinced an awful lot of gamers that they need to educate the public as well. Specifically, educate them on why buying an XBox One is a bad idea. And Microsoft has all but provided them with a list of bullet points to hit on the subject.

As to it not mattering, well: The Playstation 4 currently occupies spots 1 and 3 on Amazon's top sellers for Video Games. The XBox One "Day One" limited edition is in spot 2- there's all the hardcore people who are devoted to the brand and were pretty much going to get one no matter what.

But the "standard edition" XBox One? That's currently at #21, down from yesterday, and currently several notches below both the PS3 and XBox 360 versions of Far Cry 3, a six-month-old game.

Any "education" that requires as much evasion as has surrounded the XBox One isn't education. It's spin. Take a letter, Microsoft: people aren't ignorant about what you envision, they're saying "no" to it.
 

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I've noticed that whenever someone breaks out the "People hate/fear change" argument. They are usually talking about tremendously stupid ideas.

Spokesman: Our next console will grow legs and repeatedly kick you in the groin!
Consumer: Dude, that's stupid!
Spokesman: You just hate change, it will be great.

Yes some people hate change, but you know what... people hate bad ideas more.
And XBone is stuffed with them.
 
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Is it me or does this sound exactly like the GOP after their loss in 2012 saying that not enough messaging was why they lost the presidency?

No, Mr. Soft, you need to retroactively rethink the XBone now. Put it back into beta and strip the DRM crap. No more obligatory phone-home. No kill switches. No face-counting. Guaranteed consumer second-sale rights. Come out and say "Oops, we fucked up bad" and you'll be back in like Coca-cola.

(Excessive DRM crap is what killed the Zune, too.)

238U
 

Reyold

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You sure you want to educate us, Mehdi? Seems like you're banking on consumer ignorance for success, which you more or less admitted. Or perhaps you meant indoctrinate, as other have guessed? Because that would make more sense.

If you really wanted to educate us, you would have been more forthcoming about the details a long time ago, but we could barely get anything out of you until weeks later.

We see through your facade, MS. You can stop pretending now.
 

Buizel91

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This whole thing just gets juicier every day

*awaits new thread from Microsoft, munches popcorn*

Anyone wanna join?
 

rodneyy

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what im wondernig about taking the game round to your friends house is this. sure the account is easy enough to move but what about the games. either you take the hard copy with you so its exactly like it was before except you are taking your achievements with you, yay! gotta them them all like the crack addict they have turned me into. or you have to download the game once you get to your friends house. now with compression etc you can make a big game smaller but how small can they really get them? games are running at 10-30Gb each now that will take ages to download on an average connection let alone a bad one.

or do it the ps4 way and just take the physical copy with you. i guess if you are over your fiends house a lot you can download them bit at a time but if im downloading a game off steam i normally leave it running during the night. cant do that at your friends house 1 hour is your limit wile you are not there.

sounds like they are fixing a problem of their own design and then making out like its really a benafit rather than a clumsy workaround
 

Boris Goodenough

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How many times can Microsoft shoot themselves in the feet and still stand?
I really want to know... are they standing on boon stumps? Doing a fine balancing act?
 

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"Ultimately consumers will decide which is better," Mehdi said. "It's a big market."
Well, he's not wrong. But I'm not sure the result is going to be what he hopes for.

What was the last console that tried to sell itself as an "Entertainment Center"? This was probably in the 90s. And it flopped big-time (I mean it was a flop of EPIC proportions, although I think they wanted like $1,000 for it as I remember). I wish I would remember what it was called. Somebody help me out here.

Anyway, all those "Entertainment Center" features the XBone supports I already have from devices that do it better. Why again do I want to pay extra money for what would essentially be a glorified remote control?
 

KOMega

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this is a big change, and people don't always like change. "There's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand," says Mehdi. He went on to add that "we're trying to do something pretty big in terms of moving the industry forward for console gaming into the digital world. We believe the digital world is the future, and we believe digital is better."
okay so far I guess.

And the negativity? Well, it may not matter so much to Microsoft. Sure, core gamers complain, but the folks who don't really pay attention and who just want a fancy box will be fine with Microsoft's Xbox One. "In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details," said Mehdi. "We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."
wait, wait... You want to educate people about your system and stuff. But you also don't want them to so they can buy your stuff.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but this by itself:
the folks who don't really pay attention and who just want a fancy box will be fine with Microsoft's Xbox One.
Just seems really scumbaggy. Relying on people not knowing about things so you can sell them your system.

Captcha: poetic justice
Funny thing is, microsoft is writing all the verses too.