Desert Punk said:
Loonyyy said:
Oh, and that's another one. "White Knight". Insulting people and making insinuations about their motivations doesn't make you clever, or cool by virtue of cynicism.
I am rather entertained that you are making insinuations about a persons motivations because someone is making an insinuation about a motivation.
So, way to destroy your own argument chum!
I think you should reread what I said, because it's not that at all. I apologise if English is your second language, but that's an unforgivable mistake for someone fluent.
I said it doesn't make you cool, or clever. I didn't say that was what the user intended to be. The point of offering an argument is to demonstrate insight however, and that requires 1) Actual fucking insight. Some cleverness, intellect, knowledge, or perspective which advances the discussion. 2) Manner. It's been shown many times that ad hominem and insulting descriptions lower the acceptance of propositions in arguments.
Although, if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that most of those calling "White Knight" are hoping the fact that they made the call alone ends the issue. You know. Kind of like you did. That's not an argument on it's own, and it's not some insight that's been given. It's an insult at best, and ad hominem everywhere else.
I'm insinuating that the call makes you both the opposite of cool and clever. Using it makes the post unlikeable, and shows no real insight or discussion.
Also, you do know what you did there right? Tu quoue. I call you out on something and you say "You too!". That doesn't help things. If I'm wrong, you're still wrong. The response doesn't fix anything, except to make your criticism even worse, because now you yourself have disagreed with it.
boots said:
Loonyyy said:
Oh, and that's another one. "White Knight". Insulting people and making insinuations about their motivations doesn't make you clever, or cool by virtue of cynicism. And unlike feelings of entitlement, where you can actually identify those statements, very rarely have I seen the term "White Knight" directed at someone who actually said their position was based on some misplaced chivalry.
I'll second that one. If I see someone use "white knight" in a post I roll my eyes, stop reading, and usually put them on my ignore list, because it's pretty clear that they're never going to say anything of value. If you're too lazy/stupid to come up with proper criticisms of other people's arguments and have to settle for parroting insults that you read on 4chan, then I'd rather you didn't take up space on my page.
Indeed. It's almost never given in the form of an argument though, so you rarely have to stop reading. The post, and their thinking, is done very, very long ago.