Mojang Offered Up Scrolls Trademark, Bethsoft Said "No"

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GrandmaFunk

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I don't know if Russ has a personal bias one way or another, but his post read as being very pro-zenimax in it's slant.

it mostly came off as "i hate it when mommy and daddy fight.. so mommy, why don't you just let daddy hit you?"
 

Nomatophobe

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As stupid as this whole lawsuit is it's not going to stop me from buying Skyrim (already bought MC).
 

RaikuFA

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Argtee said:
Itsthefuzz said:
Whys THE MAN always gotta be hating on the little guy? Especially an innovative little guy.
Notch? Little?

HAH!

Joking aside, this really sucks. Hopefully it'll end with Mojang winning.
compared to bethesda his company is small
 

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Wow Bethesda... You may think your saving your saving your copyrights with moves like this but frankly, if you keep going on like this and the brand is not even going to be worth saving. So much negative PR is going to be (and already has been) generated by this whole fiasco that I daresay I would not be surprised if a Skyrim boycott actually gathered enough steam to put a significant dent in your profits. I wasn't planning on purchasing Skyrim on release day (to many bugs when it first comes out, not to mention I don't have $60 to blow right now) but frankly I'm not even sure if I want to buy it at all right now. The rest of you can say what you will about "lol they lost one customer" but from what I've read, a lot of people feel the same right now, and if all those people stick by their guns and don't buy the game... Well, that might hurt. Bethesda, I love you guys, I love your games, but you better turn this around fast or else you are going to lose a lot of business, perhaps including my own.
 

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This is kinda silly in the fact that scrolls is a common use word and as evidenced by previus ruling on these same issues 'see the Edge case' among others Bethesda is likly to lose any such court judgement.

Im almost afraid this is a publicity stunt done by one of those notoriusly bad third partys. (See the I want a PSP for christmas fiasco)
 

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Deep in the heart of Bethesda~!:
"They are a threat to our future expansion of the RPG genre! THEY MUST BE ELIMINATED!"
"D:< We could kill Notch. And make it look like a minecraft related suicide!"
"NOOOOOOO! To easy! We will sue them into..... OBLIVION! NYEAHAHAHAHAHAA~!"


OT: Honestly, i think this entire thing should just be dropped. Theres almost no grounds for this to be happening. But, lawyers will be lawyers.
 

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AnarchistFish said:
How can you trademark an actual word? Makes no sense
tim langdell was able to do it for years, suing everyone who said edge
 

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If I buy Skyrim, used it shall be.

Notch should send some creepers to the Bethesda fortress, that might get their attention.
 

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Shru1kan said:
Nice one-sided article. They're going to Swedish court, so Bethesda cannot win money from them. And Notch ignored a cease and desist letter from Bethesda and is surprised there are consequences? He must have missed that life lesson when he was on vacation for the 500th time. He wanted the trademark 'Scrolls' to basically encompass the entire fucking word, and changing it from 'Scrolls' to 'Scrolls: (subtitle)' is a joke.

Bethesda is suing them so their goddamn game franchise can't be forced to rename because some fat fuck wants to own a word. Of course, the manchild can't see this, because he just wants to be the flavor of the month.

And I hate, HATE how people classify Mojang as 'indie' just because Notch says they are, when the profits from their game make real indie studios look like a college student's life savings. But no, let's rally around Notch because his MILLIONS aren't as plentiful as ZeniMax's.
If what you're saying is true (regarding how you EDIT: CANNOT win money from swedish court) then, this has become even more interesting... I'm more willingly to trust Bethsoft more than Mojang now due to their blantant milking of gamer sympathy, and the fact that it is likely that Notch became complacent/arrogant from the success of Minecraft.

That aside, Bethsoft's legal department is overreacting a tad (prolly pissed at Mojang's idea to use this whole scenario as a publicity stunt and walk away without consequences), and hope that they would back down.

But still, it is also interesting how BethSoft has not released any form of statement, casual or formal, in regards to this debacle, while Mojang has been flinging arrows all over the place, going as to debuff Russ' kotatu article within hours
 

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So they are suing with out a reason? Can they counter sue for a waste of their time and money?

I can't take Bethesdas side...
 

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DRTJR said:
I think the reason is market confusion with a similarly titled game on the same day.
Minecraft is/was supposed to be finished on 11/11/11 coinciding witht he release of Skyrim and a few other things. Scrolls isnt due out for a while.
 

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Formica Archonis said:
Hey, guys? Did anyone notice who wrote the Kotaku article? It's a republish from some guy's blog [http://www.falsegravity.com/]. Ahem:

Mojang v. Bethesda, or: I Hate it When Mommy and Daddy Fight
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Heh.
Now, is it a matter of "stirring up false controversy", or "it's a small world"?

I'm thinking the latter.
 

hazabaza1

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I think they should call it "The younger Scrolls: SCROLLS" just to fuck with their lawyers.
 

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DRTJR said:
I think the reason is market confusion with a similarly titled game on the same day.
How does "Minecraft" sound like "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"?

Scrolls hasn't even finished its website yet.
 

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Lucyfer86 said:
Ah well people in Bethesda are clearly bunch of wankers, no wonder i hate every game they make.
Because the legal department have been making all the games have they?

This is pretty retarded though. That said, these are lawyers. Of course they're trying to screw people over. It's what they do.

The single most annoying thing about this whole case is all the people saying they'll boycott Skyrim. For starters, Notch said that was stupid. But mainly because the legal department have diddly squat to do with the making of that game. All the work was done by guys who may well be on Notch's side in the whole thing. They're not responsible for the legal side of things. You're depriving yourself of something you'll (probably) enjoy, you're hurting honest hardworking people and the guy you're doing this for said it was a bad idea.
 

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Woodsey said:
One is a trading card game, the other is an open-world RPG that is hardly ever referenced by its "Elder Scrolls" prefix. Its a fucking noun, how can that infringe on anything? If they were obviously aping shit from the actual game and they called it Scrolls, then fair enough.
Well, remember that Apple wanted total control over the term APP. Lets hope this court case ends similarly, with Bethesda being told to fuck off for attempting to trademark a word.
 

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Mimsofthedawg said:
TwitchyGamer101 said:
So they are suing with out a reason? Can they counter sue for a waste of their time and money?

I can't take Bethesdas side...
Please answer this immediately: did you read the entire article?

You know what, you don't have to answer, because clearly you didn't. Bethesda is suing because they're using the title "Scrolls" in their title.

Oh was that the same reason as before? Yea, my bad, I guess the Escapist forgot and just wants more web traffic.....
Men in glass houses...

Mojang offered to drop the trademark and add a subtitle, everything short of removing the word "Scrolls" from the name. Zenimax doesn't appear to give a damn, and have thus securely entered WTF Lawsuit territory, officially making them the next Tim Langdell (if Notch isn't lying).

You know, NOT what we were told before.

It's all in the OP.
 

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A lot of speculation and opinion from people who have never seen the court documents. I doubt Bethesda would spend the money to bring this to court if they didn't have a good reason.