Yeah that briliant feature where you can end up looking older then you're own damn mother (Fable 1).Pink Gregory said:
Molyneux Not Impressed by GTA V's Sales
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Molyneux's just viewing things from a different perspective. Traditional box games have the majority of their sales in the beginning, with a very low tail. Mobile games are often F2P, with a much larger tail. If he wants to compare the two properly he'll need to take into account overall predicted sales for the foreseeable future.
Assuming that GTAV stops selling well after a month or two (HAHA), can a mobile game consistently make enough money each day, and for enough days, to fully match it? Anyways, I don't think it's even worth comparing the two types, as both payment models come with different expected development styles and budgeting. They are both valid types of games, but fundamentally too different to have a valuable comparison.
Assuming that GTAV stops selling well after a month or two (HAHA), can a mobile game consistently make enough money each day, and for enough days, to fully match it? Anyways, I don't think it's even worth comparing the two types, as both payment models come with different expected development styles and budgeting. They are both valid types of games, but fundamentally too different to have a valuable comparison.
"But at the same time, you probably don't have to dis the new fastest-selling entertainment product is history to get that point across."
Yeah, you do, actually. AAA just isn't sustainable. How many developers can spend $265M on production? How many publishers will now be chasing after Take-Two's success? And how many developers will fold because that success can't be as easily imitated?
On the other hand, Supercell built Clash of Clans with a budget that's estimated at less than $250K. For a long time, Clash of Clans was seeing revenues of $3-5M/day, or put another way, up to 20 times the investment (2,000% ROI) every day.
Now, $800M in gross revenue is nothing to scoff at, but the cost of and thus breakeven point for GTA5 was $265M. The remaining $535M was, presumably, profit. Take-Two managed to get just barely over 2 times their investment (200% ROI) on day one. That's great. That's awesome. But will GTA5 bring in $535M every day for even a week? I don't think so.
The descent of the sales curve for successful console games from the peak is quite steep but the product life cycles are much longer. However, the descent of the sales curve for successful mobile games is much more gradual, although the product life cycles are shorter.
In addition, while a day-one $800M figure is exciting, if you're an entrepreneur like Molyneux, you're impressed by repeatable successes. Securing $250K might not be the easiest thing in the world, but it's a lot more practical for startups than raising $265M.
Yeah, you do, actually. AAA just isn't sustainable. How many developers can spend $265M on production? How many publishers will now be chasing after Take-Two's success? And how many developers will fold because that success can't be as easily imitated?
On the other hand, Supercell built Clash of Clans with a budget that's estimated at less than $250K. For a long time, Clash of Clans was seeing revenues of $3-5M/day, or put another way, up to 20 times the investment (2,000% ROI) every day.
Now, $800M in gross revenue is nothing to scoff at, but the cost of and thus breakeven point for GTA5 was $265M. The remaining $535M was, presumably, profit. Take-Two managed to get just barely over 2 times their investment (200% ROI) on day one. That's great. That's awesome. But will GTA5 bring in $535M every day for even a week? I don't think so.
The descent of the sales curve for successful console games from the peak is quite steep but the product life cycles are much longer. However, the descent of the sales curve for successful mobile games is much more gradual, although the product life cycles are shorter.
In addition, while a day-one $800M figure is exciting, if you're an entrepreneur like Molyneux, you're impressed by repeatable successes. Securing $250K might not be the easiest thing in the world, but it's a lot more practical for startups than raising $265M.
At least Rockstar delivers on their promises, and then some. And they get a lot of money afterwards. This guy's getting rich by lying to people. Or worse. He's promising but is too incompetent to deliver.
Pretty much this.AndrewC said:
Well if it?s not the publisher who isn?t impressed that their game sold millions(now billions) then there?s always bound to be someone else in the business who says it?s no great accomplishment.
PM: Fable 3! Now that's a quality product! Ship it! Bwahaha, I've outdone myself again!
*reads latest headlines*
PM: A billion dollars in three days?!? Pfah, I'm not impressed.
Sorry Petey, I just don't agree with your vision of "impressive".
*reads latest headlines*
PM: A billion dollars in three days?!? Pfah, I'm not impressed.
Sorry Petey, I just don't agree with your vision of "impressive".
i... hate you ....thiosk said:
I though I'd gotten away ... but no ... you ... YOU had to pull me back in ....
I'm also not really impressed by that number. It was to be expected also considering the 250 Million budget they pumped into it.
I mean yeah CoD sold 12 million copies and GTA V already hit 13, but on the other hand Mario Kart sold 34 million copies, and i doubt they pumped +200 millions into it.
It's just not a number of sales i'd go: "Woah!"
I mean yeah CoD sold 12 million copies and GTA V already hit 13, but on the other hand Mario Kart sold 34 million copies, and i doubt they pumped +200 millions into it.
It's just not a number of sales i'd go: "Woah!"
Oh yeah?
Mobile games offer greater overall revenue for 1/100th of the content. This sort of statement is bad for serious gamers who want more for a good price.
Molyneux doesn't really understand the meaning of quality games anymore, I think. He's become a cynical businessman obsessed with monetisation.
Mobile games offer greater overall revenue for 1/100th of the content. This sort of statement is bad for serious gamers who want more for a good price.
Molyneux doesn't really understand the meaning of quality games anymore, I think. He's become a cynical businessman obsessed with monetisation.
D:thiosk said:
No! I just found a way to stop playing that game, why must you link it! The Grandma's, they're pure evil! >.<
OT: Oh Peter, I'd say you were jealous, but you're so stuck up about yourself and your own games that you'd somehow take it that I was praising you.
He's been a liar for a long time, making empty promises about the Fable games and whatnot, now he's bit of a dick on top of that.Proverbial Jon said:
Peter is just mad that theirs no chickens in GTA V.
Joking aside, he does strike some points, Mobile gaming is growing, and sales for mobile phone like games does exceed those of GTA, but Peter we're talking about video games sales like right now, not over a week or month. That to me is pretty impressive.
Joking aside, he does strike some points, Mobile gaming is growing, and sales for mobile phone like games does exceed those of GTA, but Peter we're talking about video games sales like right now, not over a week or month. That to me is pretty impressive.
So you got the brains, but do you have the touch? Now, don't get me wrong, yeah, I think you're all right. But that won't keep me warm in the middle of the night.Teoes said:
Sorry, I had to.
OT: Yeah, not much to say. High standards. Might explain all of his overhyping.