Mom just got you an iPhone for Christmas!

Dags90

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Rawne1980 said:
Land lines are dead?

That's news to me, i've been using one for years and it still works. I don't own a mobile phone.
They cost about the same as a cheap cell phone nowadays. Most young people, including younger families (and even mine) don't have one.

I know it's not a big deal for an adolescent, but I don't like driving without a cellphone. I really don't get the "don't be afraid to leave the house without it". If my car breaks down on the side of the road, am I supposed to depend on the kindness of others for help? Fat chance. My cellphone is like my wallet, it's good to carry around. Can I survive without it? Sure, but I like knowing it's there for emergencies.

When I got my first cell phone it was an order, there was no option of choosing not to have it.
 

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So if he cant take it to school, and has to hand it in by 7.30pm... That leaves a maybe ~3 hour window in which he actually is able to use it - for which he will be at home and probably have little actual use for the functionality of the smart phone (camera, portable phone, etc).

A couple of these rules are great, but several are outright ridiculous.
 

TheJazzyH

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While there's little doubt the mother had good intentions with these rules, I don't see the point in having a smartphone when these rules heavily remove any usefulness the phone would have had in the first place. Also, if she's making him foot the bill for repairs and replacements, then why doesn't she also teach him how to take proper care of such an expensive device? Prevention is better than the cure, after all.

The kid's only 13, too. I'm only speaking from personal experience, but people tend to do dumb things at that age. The mom should have just saved money and start him off with a flip phone. Then move up to a smartphone later when he's demonstrated enough intelligence and responsibility to handle one without needing a lengthy list of rules like the one here.

But since she already bought the phone, I'll give my $0.02 on that. Strict rules like these will only build resentment in the kid as he gets older, when he starts desiring more independence and freedom. If he doesn't break these rules, it will be more likely because he fears the punishment rather than simply knowing the right thing to do with his new expensive gadget. Instead of setting all of these rules (which range from understandable to ridiculous), the mom should forget the contract and teach him the reasons behind all of her ideas for rules instead. That would allow him to understand and take on his new responsibility with a lot less stress and paranoia.

And as others have already suggested, teaching by example works the best. Make sure the kid has something or someone good to imitate. Maybe the mom can start with herself, if she hasn't already?
 

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Seems a lot of people are saying how bad these rules are. Honestly the kid is 13, he doesn't need an Iphone, it is a lavish gift, he deserves to understand that. Some kids are raised with too much and value none of it. I like this contract. Some of the rules are a bit strict, but really, no stricter than what they can put on their computer, and that's really what an Iphone is now. I respect these parents.
 

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So the mom wants the son to be exactly like her... thats a scary thought.
What a cold hard lesson the son will learn when he steps out into the real world and not the fake one his mother constructed for him.
 

Lincoln Keane

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A lady came in to my work over christmas and bought 2 new Iphones which she immediately handed over to her 10 year old daughter and 8 year old son.
 

Jacco

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Am I the only one here that has a problem with a 13 year old being given a smartphone?
 

Trippy Turtle

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I probably wouldn't accept that. Its almost as limiting as Apple manages to be on its own.
Just kidding but still, I would much rather get my own phone even though I wouldn't use it much. I would prefer to spend my own money on something I can use then be given a 'gift' that I can't.
 

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If it's really true, then... wow. Very "interesting" parenting. Never seen something like this.
 

Charli

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Good grief, why even bother buying him the phone then.

He can use it for maybe ...2 hours a day and only in the way you designate. That's not fun... That's not a gift.

That's an obligation.

Get him a cheap second hand nokia then if you feel that strongly about what your son/daughter has access to.
Or trust them. And lead by example (y'know, the best way to enforce a point when they're acting out)
My brother is young as well, we have to have a few guidelines and talk to him about the DANGERS of internet use, but we trust him to do what we've talked about. If not? Well consequences of breaking that trust should come AFTER and should only be to protect him from really serious things. Otherwise if we consistently show that we never trust him by having madly strict guidelines before he even touches anything he's going to grow up very resentful and feeling as though we have no faith in him.

Which, I'm going to point out, is what I grew up with. And it wasn't helpful. I was the most well behaved kid you could possibly imagine. I stuck to every rule set out for me to the point of madness because I feared consequence. My other sibling, acted out at every turn and was the wild child.
Now where did it get both of us? I developed little self confidence, an inability to see any self worth in my actions or accomplishments and a persistent feeling that no one has any faith in my abilities. (I don't need commentary on this please, my own problems are mine to face) My sibling is about as self assured and confident as you get and benefits from it in daily life. She saw the rules for what they are, oppressive.

If you're never allowed to do anything that makes you... well you. You become shallow, and have problems 'developing' your personality later. You're going to fuck up. You're going to piss people off and be a pretentious little shit, or a mood swinging little hot head.

What I can't get behind is parents who'd rather put a barricade around that and stick their fingers in their ears. Hiding behind militant rules and acting impersonal about anything they've done wrong by stating a rule and acting out the consequence like a robot, because they can't deal with their kids like individuals.

Rules should be for protection. And only for serious and potentially life screwing matters. (porn/stranger danger/etc)
This? This is asinine and any parent writing this needs the stick in their anus removed. Or should reconsider what they term a 'gift' and get the appropriate item next time.
 

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R.Nevermore said:
Now what do you think of these rules? Are they sane at all? Do you think this is a good way to teach your stun phone etiquette?
For a 13 year old they are more than fair. If he is intelligent as his mother seems to think he is, they are unnecessary, but if not then this is a good way to do things.

Personally, If my mom gave me a phone with these rules I'd give it back and say, I don't want 'your phone' as a gift. If your are kind enough to give me a gift, make it mine.
Ill translate these rules into one phrase: "I fear the way technology is changing the world, so you're going to curl up in a ball and hide from it. "[/quote]
IMO tin foil hat talk. There is nothing to have a problem with with these rules unless you are looking to break other rules, like the "No texting in class" rules. Mostly this is a "You will not turn into one of those teenages douches who spend 14 hours a day on their phone and take 500 pictures a day of themself with their phone whilst texting their friends all night and not paying attention in class because they're too busy texting each other", and there is nothing wrong with this.
Before someone calls hyperbole on that, its not. That is a description of how my sister uses her phone. She spends the entire day and half the night on it, including during class, and is ALWAYS taking pictures of herself - generally 20 at a time because she can push the button a lot of times for shits and giggles.

News flash! Landlines are dead. Treating your cellphone like a landline is foolish. What's the point in a cellphone if you can't take it to school or out with you at all?
1. Landlines aren't dead. There's a reason a lot of phone calls still come through my families.
2. She isn't saying "Pretend your mobile is a landline". She's saying that if you wouldn't call someone else's landline, or their parents' mobile phone as the case may be, then don't call/text their phone. Basically, if its something you absolutely HAVE to hide from their parents, don't do it.
Why have a phone if you can't take it to school?
To call your friends from home without bugging the rest of your family?
To call your friends when you're in the car on your way to some place?
To call your friends when you're out of the house?
To call your parents to pick you up in an emergency?

There are PLENTY of reasons to have a mobile beyond using it at school. School is potentially the one place your really don't need it, because you're there to pay attention in class and learn, not text your friends and ignore the teacher. She never put a limit on taking it out with you, only saying that sometimes you should leave it at home.

'Wonder without Googling?' One of the things that has always captivated me about our time is that if there's EVER anything we don't know, the answer is right at our fingertips. Expanding our knowledge base thousands of times over. Why deny that?
Because Google is not the answer to everything. Go on Yahoo answers and check for questions asked like "I have an exam tomorrow and need to know the significance of the number 4 in a Midsummer's night Dream". They will receive responses generally along the lines of "Don't be lazy and rely on the Internet for your answers, get a brain and think for yourself. We're not helping you cheat your way through an exam without having done any work".
Basically, think first. If you can't come up with an answer, ask your parents/teachers/friends. If they can't come up with an answer, Google. Resorting to Google as a first resort is a sign of the weak who are unable to think. Google should NEVER be the first thing you use to solve a problem. That privilege always goes to your brain.

The not taking photos rule baffles me.
Not the emphasis of "Zillions of Photos". Its not "Don't take any photos", its don't take a f***ton of photos. That is good advice and a good rule. Take photo's where its important and you need to make a memory, don't take them for shits and giggles like 90% of teenagers these days.

Telling him what music to download?
The last lot seem more recommendations than actual rules, as there is no way you could enforce this, but look at the guidelines for what music to download. Its rather vague:
"New", "Classic" or "Something other than what everyone else is listening to".
Basically, New music, Old Music, and Music that others don't listen to is fine to download. Aka: Any music ever. Mostly though that paragraph is intended as a "Don't just go with the flow, take your own path" piece of advice. The rules are a mix of good rules for a phone user, and general parenting merged together.

I have to stop. But I could go on all day. Sufficed to say that she should have gotten her son a cordless Telegraph transmitter for a gift... Since she's so afraid of change.
The point is, you teach your child respect through example, not ridiculous lists of rules.
Sadly this does not always work. Rules and punishment don't always work either. A good path to parenting is to use a balance of both. Its is nigh impossible to teach respect through example to a lot of teenagers, largely because they don't see you as giving them respect unless you let them have their way the whole time, and that is one of the worst things you can do.
 

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5. It does not go to school with you. Have a conversation with the people you text in person. It's a life skill. *Half days, field trips and after school activities will require special consideration.

First part is fine, phones do not go to school.
Second part is, well, bullshit. Texting people usually mean that they are not currently present, thus making conversation face to face nigh impossible.
A lot of people will actually text the person sitting next to them.

10. No porn. Search the web for information you would openly share with me. If you have a question about anything, ask a person -- preferably me or your father.

Another American afraid of porn and/or sex, what a surprise.
This is his phone, which he'd be using in public. Though probably as you said, he is thirteen, and we don't know the rules for private use of a computer or something like that.

OT: This all seems like a list of recommendations. I doubt the kid is going to be sent to the noose for screwing up, and most of them seem fairly good to me.
 

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I bought myself new phone with my own money (htc one s), but surprisingly Id fit into all the rules she gives, I dont really see what is wrong with them. Except for not knowing pass and turning it off in evening, how would I know what time it is in morning...
 

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Well someone has a control freak for a mother. If anything, the only thing that contract would teach him is "don't sign anything"
 

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Just be happy your folks seemed to be able to afford to get you one. Some people don't get a lot (if anything) for Christmas. You are 13 and I doubt you need an iPhone, a cell phone I could understand, but this is a luxury item, so stop being ungrateful. If you were able to live without one before, living with one with a few rules attached to it is not bad.

I get that the rules are a bit much, but hey. I would have told them to return it if it bothered me that much and got them to exchange it for something else, politely of course.
 

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chozo_hybrid said:
Just be happy your folks seemed to be able to afford to get you one. Some people don't get a lot (if anything) for Christmas. You are 13 and I doubt you need an iPhone, a cell phone I could understand, but this is a luxury item, so stop being ungrateful. If you were able to live without one before, living with one with a few rules attached to it is not bad.

I get that the rules are a bit much, but hey. I would have told them to return it if it bothered me that much and got them to exchange it for something else, politely of course.
But it isn't a gift... It's an option for a loan.
If anything it's probably a vile scheme by his mother to have her son more dependent on her, thus giving her more conrol over him.

Yes... I see it now. It all makes sense now

/me jumps in the river
 

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"So like my mom got me an iPhone" "cool let me check it out" "It's not here, it's locked in an underground facility with maximum security"
Why the fuck should'nt he take it to school? What if something happens? What if he hasn't come home for some reason and they want to contact him? Oh they can't because the fucking phone is not on him.
All these rules are just shouting "REBEL AGAINST ME", it's stupid just let him live life and deal with it the way he wants to, what's with all the philosophical shit?

Also, why give a 13-year-old boy an iPhone? A basic flip phone will do.
 

Steppin Razor

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A couple ok rules there completely drowned out by the rest of the stupid shit. That mother has control issues if that story's true.

ecoho said:
and thus i would throw the phone at my mother and say im moveing out if you have a problem with that talk to my lawyer(have an IQ of about 280 so this may not be the best case for anyone else:)
Erm...

...

Uhhh... yes, 280 IQ indeed.
 

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ecoho said:
and thus i would throw the phone at my mother and say im moveing out if you have a problem with that talk to my lawyer(have an IQ of about 280 so this may not be the best case for anyone else:)
Wow, I didn't know we had the smartest man of all time on the Escapist!

Well, you learn something new everyday.


cloroxbb said:
I think your Mom is awesome! Its obvious that most of the replies here are by those that are probably close to your age. If you dont like the rules, just leave the phone off and at home, its not like you are being forced to use the thing. I think some of those are crazy but thats not the point of the rule list. You will see the point eventually I hope. :)
You understand that the OP isn't actually the kid who got the phone right?

He's just repeating a news story......

You get that don't you?