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BNguyen

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do you think money limits how far we as a species and society can advance ourselves?
don't you think that if it could or would help make society better, then money shouldn't be an issue?
 

Erana

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Well, it is as vital to a successful, progressive society as a written language or education, it seems.
I doubt that the human race as a whole will ever ascend beyond currency.
 

Simriel

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WHERE?
And the 'Star Trek' approach to money is rather... flawed. Wouldn't work in a real society.
 

BNguyen

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say you were very close to discovering the cure for cancer, but it required over $10 billion in equipment and research in order to recieve that cure, wouldn't you think that money shouldn't stand in the way of progress?
 

Kiutu

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Once some kid learns how to dupe gold in real life, we'll all be set.
 

Labyrinth

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...it's a gas.
Grab that cash with both hands
and make a stash.

-Pink Floyd: Money

Money is the new god. There is nothing you can't make with enough of it. By that point it probably wouldn't be your hands making it, but it would be made none the less. I find it annoying as hell.

I don't believe that money should be the end, rather the means, if that. It disgusts me that there are so many people with incredible ability who can't exercise it because of their financial situation. The stereotype of "Stupid poor people" is another irritation. It's just not appropriate.

So other than rage, I'd say that money has become a detriment.
 

Kiutu

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Mariena said:
Kiutu said:
Once some kid learns how to dupe gold in real life, we'll all be set.
Then gold will plummet in value, and silver will take over.

=P
Gold, silver, watermelons, Umbra. Once the glitch is known, you can dupe anything. Then money won't be needed anymore and everyone can have everything.
 

PurpleRain

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Hmm, I don't really value money. I use it, but giving up X amount of cash apposed to Y amount for the same thing really doesn't worry me. I don't count my money and loose sleep over missing pennies. As of now, I'm saving up to fly away and what not, so I feel more annal about it then I usually do, and when I have an appartment and a change of living style, so it may be likely to change.

But really, money is too involved with too many people. We need money to help people, we need money to plant a tree, we need money to lend a hand. It's stupid how everything seems to cost someone else this money.

As soon as we build robots, money will be useless and we live in harmony finally. Until the robots kill us of course.
 

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In an idealistic world, money would be obsolete, and everyone would work to help their community develop and to help each other. But naturally people want a physical reward, which brings us to money.
 

NeverAiling

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Money is only the medium of our greed. Money does not limit the work of the human race. More correctly, money serves as a handle by which your place in the human race can be identified, and as measurement by which diverse efforts can be reconciled and synchronized.

In truth, the worth of money is determined by the fundamental units it represents. Money is only a symbol. Much as words only represent meaning.

Ultimately, money is just a symbol that represents labor. Labor is the true unit of value.

So there could be systems without money. But they would have all the problems that money systems do. Because money, like a handgun in a child's reach, is still just a tool.

It's what you do with it that counts.
 

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leontyrone said:
say you were very close to discovering the cure for cancer, but it required over $10 billion in equipment and research in order to recieve that cure, wouldn't you think that money shouldn't stand in the way of progress?
Just imagine how many extra people would live on every year. Just imagine the amount of over-population that would cause.
 

Inverse Skies

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Money is critical to our society and the way it functions. If you don't believe me have a look at how the global financial crisis is going to affect the lives of millions if not billions of people. You can't get around money, it is ingrained into culture as deeply as the need to reproduce.

I very much doubt it will ever be replaced as a medium for exchange because humanity by it's very nature is a selfish, waring and hostile species. You've got to love us.
 

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leontyrone said:
say you were very close to discovering the cure for cancer, but it required over $10 billion in equipment and research in order to recieve that cure, wouldn't you think that money shouldn't stand in the way of progress?

Cancer research would easily get that plus more by fundraising and the sorts, plus, if we gotrid of money system, wouldnt it just go back to the olde school trading system, i.e "I'll give you 3 chickens for that one cow", and that is worse, Doctors would quit because they need to grow crops and everyone would die, there would be no police, no army and no teachers, there would be mass riots around towns for food, and everyonje would decrease in intelegence...
 

Sane Man

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Wow, there are a lot of people that need to read some books on economics.

You do not "work" for money. Money is simply a convenient way of expressing how much value you have added to the economy.

Otherwise this would be a very difficult place. Let's say Bob is a carpenter, and Jim is a plumber. Bob needs some plumbing work done and does not know how to do it himself, so he contacts Jim. Well, Jim does not need any carpentry work done so how can they exchange anything when Jim clearly does not need anything Bob can offer?

Money simply is a medium in which your value that you have added into the economy can be calculated, and transacted without bartering of sorts. If we add money to the previous example, it would be a lot easier on Bob.

Bob this time can exchange money, a symbol of carpentry work he did on Carol's house because she needed carpentry done. Technically you could say Bob did work on Carol's house, who then exchanged whatever she contributes to the market for Jim's services on Bob's home. Instead of all that we have "money", which anyone will take and use without the need of actually bartering.

This idea of money being a speed bump to progress simply shows a lack of education in schooling. It has increased what we as humans can do exponentially. It has worked so well in fact, that most people do not even comprehend what money actually is, and these questions are asked.
 

Knight Templar

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I like money, or rather the things it brings me. But money isn't allways conected with good work so I have mixed fellings on the issue.
 

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really its just something to expedite bartering, if i have tables, and want a chicken, but the local chicken farmer doesnt want any more tables, really, the only thing she wants is purple dye, and the only thing the dye merchant is really aching for at the moment is a pickle, i dont have to trade a table, for a pickle, for purple dye, for a chicken. i just sell someone a table, then go use that money to buy a chicken.

at least in theory.

in an ideal society, noone would ever take more than they needed, we would be considerate and kind, everyone would contribute what they could and never make more people than we could sustain, so there would be no competition, and no need for money, and we would all serve the mighty overmind, in all its glory.