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CrimsonBlaze

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So given that Halloween is next week, I wanted to bring up the topic of monsters.

In the earlier days of cinema, monsters (vampires, mummies, werewolfs, etc.) were introduced in a production as a definite evil and a threat to all life. When these creatures were introduced, people did not know too much about their origins or what made them tick. All they knew was they were not (or no longer were) human or normal animals, they were most comfortable with the dark, and they want to kill/eat humans. Those were the basic elements of fear that made this monsters iconic: the unknown, the threat, and the danger.

As time went on, many of the iconic monsters still pertained a lot of their fearful characteristics, but were also injected with adrenaline to really get our hearts beating (The Mummy, Blade, etc.). It made monster more of a threat and made them relevant in the constantly accelerating future that the world was racing towards.

Then the Twilight series hit the big screen, and we might as well act like we no longer knew what vampires were. Instead of blood thirsty, violent, night hunters, that would hunt humanity into extinction if they could, and feared garlic, silver, wooden steaks, crosses, and sunlight, the 'new, hip' vampires live where the sun don't shine (pun intended), are constantly brooding, feel that establishing emotional relationships are more important than feeding, and they sparkle in the sunlight (seriously. AND they don't die). I won't bag on the werewolfs because they are at least somewhat accurate portrayals of werewolfs (yet they are seen more as tween eye candy than fearful canine beasts).

Seriously, I get that monsters are sometimes tragic, misunderstood creatures, and if anything, this series is just fulfilling a need (flipping tweens). Yet, the fact that shows are popping up like daisies (The Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc.) really irritates me. Plenty of people liked Scott Pilgrim and I don't see a vs. The Animation series, or a cartoon based on the books, or shows with video game references being developed.

Fright Night was probably a good start to shattering the whole "My boyfriend is a vampire" joke , but we need more films and shows (maybe a Supernatural movie?) to further show that monsters are monsters and no matter how cute they may look or how badly you want one as a pet or a boyfriend, it can still bloody kill you!

So Escapists, your thoughts? Should vampires be menacing creatures of the night or someone you'd introduce to your parents at dinner (yes, double pun intended!)?
 

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they should have a suave elegance that masks or distracts from their primal nature underneath.

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or just like they are in 'Salem's Lot.
 

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These are what I think Vampires are. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110148/]

Get the hell away from me you blood sucking demons!
 

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Unfortunately teens aren't raised on the classics and a few older people who were tend to like the sparkly vampires better because they're eye candy. Pure and simple. Give me Dracula or Nosferatu any day......I'm sorry but I think Dracula is way sexier than any of the Twilight fairies(yes I said it, deal with it. They're fairies who THINK they're vampires not actual vampires)and he could kick their arse any night.....mmmm I'm sorry got distracted for a moment.

As a maze monster for a theme park that does an annual Halloween theme at night in the park, monsters are suppose to be creepy and scary. They can be sexy and still be creepy and scary all at the same time.
 

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aprilmarie said:
As a maze monster for a theme park that does an annual Halloween theme at night in the park, monsters are suppose to be creepy and scary. They can be sexy and still be creepy and scary all at the same time.
Yes! When I went to Universal Studios a few weeks back, around the time Halloween Haunt was taking place, a bunch of tween-inspired vampires were just getting up in my face because I wasn't scared of it or running away from it.

I wanted to punch that vampire in the face so hard (or at least ask the guy dressed as Dracula to kick this guys ass), but I actually enjoyed Universal Studios, so I just chose to ignored Edward.
 

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CrimsonBlaze said:
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So Escapists, your thoughts? Should vampires be menacing creatures of the night or someone you'd introduce to your parents at dinner (yes, double pun intended!)?
that fact you have to even ASK, makes me sad in side a little :/

no, vampires are not 'dateable'. they are predators, bring one home would be like adopting a starving tiger, sure you could, but it won't last long and it'll end with some one cleaning bits of you from their teeth
 

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Firstly, I gotta get this off my chest. I like true blood.

For one thing, not all the vampires are good. Even the good vampires struggle with their predatory sides, and it acknowledges that there are those who lose said battle reluctantly, or those that give in with glee. It's characters are interesting, it's actors actually act, and it handles multiple complex storylines masterfully. It's easy to disregard it as a twilight clone, even I originally watched it just to see how bad it was, but give it a chance.

Anyways, onto the topic. Basically, while vampires have needed reinvention for quite some time, but this sparkly thing...well, not what was needed. What was needed was something to shift it from the dying age of superstition, to the age of science. I think I know of the perfect thing to kick start this. A cinema adaptation of Guillermo del toro and chuck hogan's book, "The strain". It views vampirism as more a virus than anything supernatural, with a healthy dose of body horror thrown in. It keeps some of the mysticism with the more traditional head of the vampiric horde, but mostly keeps things believable, and the design of the vamps is brilliant. They're feral, and hive minded for one thing, to make the thought of being turned unpleasant instead of something which would seem benifical for everyone. They have a paralyzing stinger in place of their tongue, giving them a monsterous edge whilst still allowing them to believably blend in with normal people. Put short, they're a perfect storm of believability and terror.
 

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To reiterate what others have said before, vampires are undead and therefore do not have libidos or even the ability to achieve an erection. Their early manifestations were the Nosferatu type, hideous, pale and spindly. They were, as the OP states, monsters with an insatiable blood lust, but with distinct weaknesses.

Somewhere along the way, someone decided to spice them up with extra "powers." They gained the ability to alter their appearance to look more human and always took the form of an attractive male. They also gained the ability to charm females with their hypnotic stare, when they weren't wooing them with their genuine glibness. They did this to lure them to a place where they could feed, and if desired, create spawn. Vampires became a metaphor for sexuality in a time where discussing sexuality in film and literature was not socially acceptable.

Nowadays, abominations like Twilight have taken it a step further and made them a bunch of brooding emo teens who fall in love with average looking girls. I dont know where we went wrong as a society, but evidently this is what teenagers want to watch. It is a huge slap in the face to the "true" nature of vampires.

I was talking to a girl recently and I figured something out. I made a clever play on words, and she didnt get it. She took my statement at face value and responded accordingly. Its worth noting that she is way into Harry Potter. Then it hit me. People like crap like Twilight and Harry Potter not despite its lack of rhetoric but because of it. When they read a book or watch a movie that uses clever literary devices or is though provoking, they dont get it, and the way they interpret it boors them. The writers of this drivel know that, so they give the viewer something to stimulate their simple minds.
 

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Vampires are supposed to be charming. But that's so they can bite your throat when you don't expect it.
 

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Doclector said:
Anyways, onto the topic. Basically, while vampires have needed reinvention for quite some time, but this sparkly thing...well, not what was needed. What was needed was something to shift it from the dying age of superstition, to the age of science. I think I know of the perfect thing to kick start this. A cinema adaptation of Guillermo del toro and chuck hogan's book, "The strain". It views vampirism as more a virus than anything supernatural, with a healthy dose of body horror thrown in. It keeps some of the mysticism with the more traditional head of the vampiric horde, but mostly keeps things believable, and the design of the vamps is brilliant. They're feral, and hive minded for one thing, to make the thought of being turned unpleasant instead of something which would seem benifical for everyone. They have a paralyzing stinger in place of their tongue, giving them a monsterous edge whilst still allowing them to believably blend in with normal people. Put short, they're a perfect storm of believability and terror.
That sounds familiar like I've seen a film recently(within the last 5 years) like that...Once I'm home again I'll check my films cause I know I have the one I'm thinking of....

CrimsonBlaze said:
aprilmarie said:
As a maze monster for a theme park that does an annual Halloween theme at night in the park, monsters are suppose to be creepy and scary. They can be sexy and still be creepy and scary all at the same time.
Yes! When I went to Universal Studios a few weeks back, around the time Halloween Haunt was taking place, a bunch of tween-inspired vampires were just getting up in my face because I wasn't scared of it or running away from it.

I wanted to punch that vampire in the face so hard (or at least ask the guy dressed as Dracula to kick this guys ass), but I actually enjoyed Universal Studios, so I just chose to ignored Edward.
I work at Knotts. Ours is better. And that's not just MY viewpoint. Its the views of a lot of people some of whom I don't even know and have heard that from. And wait...Universal doesn't run their Haunt...I mean "Halloween Horror Nights" all of October? Really? (I haven't been to Universal since before they were talking about taking the Back to the Future ride out and after they took out the Beetlejuice's Rockin Revue show out. Cause I remember being pissed about the show thing.....
 

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This is the one true vampire.
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If you want vampires to be intimidating, just do this
 

CrimsonBlaze

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I'm hearing a lot about how supernatural monsters need 'scientific' explanation and I don't understand why. I know that a lot of cinematic works that are grounded in realism are both exciting and awesome because it makes it that much believable, but seriously, the whole 'it was a virus and it is infecting people' scenario is getting too tiresome. If such viruses existed, the human race would've been screwed a long time ago. Zombies and vampires were a lot more terrifying and threatening when they were nearly unstoppable, had few weaknesses that allowed humans to temporarily escape their wrath, and needed very specific (and often times implausible) methods for disposing them.

A supernatural zombie trumps an infected zombie and a vampire that wants to enslave the human race with fear is always more menacing than one that wants to enslaves humans with tween fans.
 

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Drakmeire said:
This is the one true vampire.
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If you want vampires to be intimidating, just do this
Thank you. Love Hellsing. This is a perfect example of what modern vampires should aspire to, while both pertaining elements from classic supernatural horror and a modern characterization.
 

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I think that we should have a bit of a middle ground; a Vampire can be a monster while still retaining elements that give it a human touch as well. Agreed Twilight went way too far by turning Vampires into fairies. I like Vampires that show the human sides of themselves (brooding and caring about relationships) but I also like to see them slip. There's a middle ground. I like monsters to be three-dimensional, but at the same time I don't want to see them becoming so human that we can forget what they're meant to be.
 

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Vampires need to fuck off, all of them!

I'm seriously dead tired of every "new" and "hip" iteration of the vampire genre. Let the Right One In was a well-needed breath of fresh air, but as it is now they've outstayed their welcome and need to go away for atleast 7 to 8 years.
 

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CrimsonBlaze said:
So given that Halloween is next week, I wanted to bring up the topic of monsters.

In the earlier days of cinema, monsters (vampires, mummies, werewolfs, etc.) were introduced in a production as a definite evil and a threat to all life. When these creatures were introduced, people did not know too much about their origins or what made them tick. All they knew was they were not (or no longer were) human or normal animals, they were most comfortable with the dark, and they want to kill/eat humans. Those were the basic elements of fear that made this monsters iconic: the unknown, the threat, and the danger.

As time went on, many of the iconic monsters still pertained a lot of their fearful characteristics, but were also injected with adrenaline to really get our hearts beating (The Mummy, Blade, etc.). It made monster more of a threat and made them relevant in the constantly accelerating future that the world was racing towards.

Then the Twilight series hit the big screen, and we might as well act like we no longer knew what vampires were. Instead of blood thirsty, violent, night hunters, that would hunt humanity into extinction if they could, and feared garlic, silver, wooden steaks, crosses, and sunlight, the 'new, hip' vampires live where the sun don't shine (pun intended), are constantly brooding, feel that establishing emotional relationships are more important than feeding, and they sparkle in the sunlight (seriously. AND they don't die). I won't bag on the werewolfs because they are at least somewhat accurate portrayals of werewolfs (yet they are seen more as tween eye candy than fearful canine beasts).

Seriously, I get that monsters are sometimes tragic, misunderstood creatures, and if anything, this series is just fulfilling a need (flipping tweens). Yet, the fact that shows are popping up like daisies (The Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc.) really irritates me. Plenty of people liked Scott Pilgrim and I don't see a vs. The Animation series, or a cartoon based on the books, or shows with video game references being developed.

Fright Night was probably a good start to shattering the whole "My boyfriend is a vampire" joke , but we need more films and shows (maybe a Supernatural movie?) to further show that monsters are monsters and no matter how cute they may look or how badly you want one as a pet or a boyfriend, it can still bloody kill you!

So Escapists, your thoughts? Should vampires be menacing creatures of the night or someone you'd introduce to your parents at dinner (yes, double pun intended!)?
There are other movies about vampires being made, you know.
Check out "Stake Land" from last year:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1464580/

It's what you want (at least, based on what you wrote).

Necromancer Jim said:
Vampires are supposed to be charming. But that's so they can bite your throat when you don't expect it.
Actually, the older stories about vampires portrayed them as creepy monsters, even in their "human" form. Only later they were given the "charm".
For example, in Bram Stoker's "Dracula", vampires didn't really interact with other people, unless they were hungry or wanted a henchman/slave to do odd jobs for them (or just to create a scary moment for the readers).
 

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HardkorSB said:
Necromancer Jim said:
Vampires are supposed to be charming. But that's so they can bite your throat when you don't expect it.
Actually, the older stories about vampires portrayed them as creepy monsters, even in their "human" form. Only later they were given the "charm".
For example, in Bram Stoker's "Dracula", vampires didn't really interact with other people, unless they were hungry or wanted a henchman/slave to do odd jobs for them (or just to create a scary moment for the readers).
Not the classic vampires, perhaps.

But the classy vampires...