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Singing Gremlin

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Ok, I'd like to throw a thought out to you slavering forum-hounds, and see what you think of this.

About a year ago I received a chain-email. Now out of sheer bloody mindedness I never go along with these things, but read it anyway. It was about the troops in Iraq, with pictures of various ones, all looking heroic. And then it got to a section on the dead soldiers. Reading through it, it turned out this email was meant to be a mark of respect for these dead soldiers, how they thought that if people will go to the effort of forwarding an email to 6 people, just to spread and honour the name of someone fallen in the war, it would have meant a lot to their deceased comrades. I began to feel slightly guilty about the fact I had no intention of playing along with it. Until I reached the last line. Which was this:

Send this to 6 people and something really good will happen. You have 15 minutes. Go.
I don't want to hear about anyone failing this.

At which point I waved a merry two fingered salute and deleted the bloody thing. It struck me that if they were going to lie, and try and give a (bad) reason to send this on rather than as a mark of respect, it muddied the whole thing, but mainly, because I'm not going to be threatened. So what do you guys think? Is it unrespectful for the dead to try and remember them with anything as corny as a chain-email? What do you think about the threatening idea of the last line, and the lies? Have you had any faintly interesting chain-mail sent your way?
 

John Galt

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The email itself was an insult to the soldiers. They don't deserve to be carried around on the backs of chain letters. If you want to pay respects to them, donate to a vet rehab fund or volunteer helping said rehab centers. Anything is better than this. It just serves no point, all it does is provoke various emotional responses, it doesn't actually help the dead vet's memory or their comrades.
 

Haliwali

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John Galt said:
The email itself was an insult to the soldiers. They don't deserve to be carried around on the backs of chain letters. If you want to pay respects to them, donate to a vet rehab fund or volunteer helping said rehab centers. Anything is better than this. It just serves no point, all it does is provoke various emotional responses, it doesn't actually help the dead vet's memory or their comrades.
I agree
 

Talisker

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John Galt said:
The email itself was an insult to the soldiers. They don't deserve to be carried around on the backs of chain letters. If you want to pay respects to them, donate to a vet rehab fund or volunteer helping said rehab centers. Anything is better than this. It just serves no point, all it does is provoke various emotional responses, it doesn't actually help the dead vet's memory or their comrades.
I'm gonna agree with this too.

I asked a friend who's in the military what he thought of this and he wasn't impressed. There are plenty of good ways to remember and honor the fallen, this isn't one of them.
 

John Galt

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Damn, three agrees in a row, I'll bet most prophets don't get this lucky on their first try.
 

Singing Gremlin

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Well everyone hates chain-mail :p

I figured this'd be the general consensus. I was vaguely hoping someone would start shouting at me for being disrespectful for deleting it, but there's never an idiot when you need one. I would have to agree that it is an insult to the soldiers, though it seems I'm more vunerable to guilt-manipulation tictacs than I thought since my resolve not to send it on was weakening. Although, I do wonder, maybe whether it would be an insult would depend on the person. I mean there was that case of a guild in WoW who had a member die so held a funeral in-game (which was then slaughtered). Surely on paper holding an in-game funeral would be just as bad, but perhaps if the deceased member had known, they would have appreciated it?
 

John Galt

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No, holding a funeral in a game would have some significance. Much like a regular funeral, it would give them an opportunity to remember their friend's life. Chain letters are just impersonal.
 

Hatman

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I have donated to many armies (mostly the Israeli army, I feel they need it the most)

I place the curse of pain and misery to all Chain email starters and forward-ers

#1 sign of a chain email: FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE FWD. RE
 

GenHellspawn

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John Galt said:
Damn, three agrees in a row, I'll bet most prophets don't get this lucky on their first try.
Well, they kinda have to, don't they? (look at your avatar)
 

John Galt

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Hatman said:
I have donated to many armies (mostly the Israeli army, I feel they need it the most)
I'm pretty sure they're running on "street cred" now, when you take on three Arab nations and not only win, but gain territory, that my friend, is quite gangsta.

Crap_haT said:
"They"? As in I am some kind of arse kissing entitie? I for one am offended!
(Dare I quote Russell Howard?) You better have a pistol becasue we are about to duel fucker!
To quote the chav who rides my bus: "Shit's gettin real gangsta now, my n****."
 

Haliwali

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John Galt said:
Hatman said:
I have donated to many armies (mostly the Israeli army, I feel they need it the most)
I'm pretty sure they're running on "street cred" now, when you take on three Arab nations and not only win, but gain territory, that my friend, is quite gangsta.
Yea, but when countries say shit like "Just give them some land, it'll all smooth over" you have to question what will happen if a war really does break out in the mideast. Would anyone bother to help our Hebrew friends, or would we sit back for the sake of bieng PC?
 

John Galt

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I think we should help them and support them as an ally and all, but I just think it's funny how they were able to beat back three countries within a few days.
 

Haliwali

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TheNecroswanson said:
Congratulations, you found an insult to dead soldeirs. Did you also notice people protest at the funerals of soldeirs who died in a Iraq?
Those guys are just plain disgusting.
 

Larenxis

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On chain mail: If it's from someone I don't like, I find them amusing (and then delete them). If it's from someone I know/respect, I find them saddening (and then delete them). My sister sent me a 'for every person you send this to, Bill Gates will send you $300' email. I buried my head in my hands.

On soldiers: I feel pretty ambivalent. On one hand, they can help bring security to a nation (note the 'can'). On the other hand, they kill people in often unjust wars. So in the end, I treat them like normal human beings and work towards bringing them home.

On dead soldiers: I think it's grotesque how much these people are exploited after they're gone. People use them for all means, and there's nothing to be done about it.
 

Talisker

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Haliwali said:
TheNecroswanson said:
Congratulations, you found an insult to dead soldeirs. Did you also notice people protest at the funerals of soldeirs who died in a Iraq?
Those guys are just plain disgusting.
You guys are kidding, right. Please tell me that dosen't actually happen.
 

Talisker

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If you listen carefully you will be able to hear the last dregs of my faith in humanity draining down the toilet.
 

ComradeJim270

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John Galt said:
I think we should help them and support them as an ally and all, but I just think it's funny how they were able to beat back three countries within a few days.
It ain't funny for the people living in the ghetto that is the West Bank... but it is damn impressive.