Well I suppose that's where the debate breaks down, isn't it?ThrobbingEgo said:I disagree.ElephantGuts said:
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Well, I did say I was bored drawing a parallel between pedophilia and bestiality, didn't I? You didn't ever refute that parallel. You did you your best to bypass it, which I may or may not be able to refute, but you didn't prove my points wrong.ElephantGuts said:
But whatever. Do we really need to argue this subject, on this specific thread, any further? Your original point was that there is no morality, and we're had a fairly lengthy (somewhat off topic) discussion involving quite a bit of logic on both sides. I'd like to think I've demonstrated that there can be a logical basis for morality.
Meh, whatever. Have a good night.
On reflection of your parallel between pedophilia and bestiality, I think I came closer to proving that pedophilia is okay than that they're different. But that's not something I was actually proving, and it's not true. The difference is that children having sexual experiences has been proven to be psychologically damaging, whereas with bestiality the animals can be fully matured so them having sex with a person would be no different than them having sex with another animal.ThrobbingEgo said:
By the way, I think I should revise my original statement a bit. I wasn't necessarily saying that all morals are bad always, just that when they are based on no negative consequences and only on personal feelings, they shouldn't be pushed on others.
But when the act does have negative consequences for someone then morals are very good for people to have. Even though the act should be covered by law anyway.
Anyway, doesn't matter. G'night, I've got a social studies final tomorrow.
who'd done screw the pooch?
jokes aside, I hope I may interject both sides.
1. Let's say you have sex with another. both give consent. Is it wrong?
Out of context, no. But If I were to say either of the two parties were married, then yes it would be.
In nature, most animals reproduce by the male RAPING the female or the female devours the male or the male dies.
Just because it works for one species, it doesn't apply to all species.
ex 1: Lion prides - polygamy one male many females
ex 2: Dolphins are known to rape humans if they get two close with them- again, sperm going 50 mph kills people
ex 3: Nature is more about survival, if the two having sex aren't going to reproduce, it is a waste of Nature's time.
Society was created for efficiency. Some people make food for everyone else, which allows them to make shit, and can trade shit for food.
I have read both Elephant Guts and Ego's posts up to this point.
My question to Elephant: if you are anti-rape, and Nature has rape in it for survival,
which one are you going to choose?
My question to Ego: If there is consent by both parties (species different) will you be tolerant of bestiality?
And now I'm off to bed, maybe I will read your reactions tommorrow night
jokes aside, I hope I may interject both sides.
1. Let's say you have sex with another. both give consent. Is it wrong?
Out of context, no. But If I were to say either of the two parties were married, then yes it would be.
In nature, most animals reproduce by the male RAPING the female or the female devours the male or the male dies.
Just because it works for one species, it doesn't apply to all species.
ex 1: Lion prides - polygamy one male many females
ex 2: Dolphins are known to rape humans if they get two close with them- again, sperm going 50 mph kills people
ex 3: Nature is more about survival, if the two having sex aren't going to reproduce, it is a waste of Nature's time.
Society was created for efficiency. Some people make food for everyone else, which allows them to make shit, and can trade shit for food.
I have read both Elephant Guts and Ego's posts up to this point.
My question to Elephant: if you are anti-rape, and Nature has rape in it for survival,
which one are you going to choose?
My question to Ego: If there is consent by both parties (species different) will you be tolerant of bestiality?
And now I'm off to bed, maybe I will read your reactions tommorrow night