More titles drop Windows XP support. Industry finally makes progress.

[Sonic Doctor]

To all the folks that are still advocating for XP, keep in mine this is happening in a few days:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9231316/Google_to_drop_support_for_IE8_on_Nov._15


Yep.... No more support for one of the main browsers, you may still be able to get there with firefox, but the truth is that it is time to move on....

It definitely is time to move on, but I have to ask. Who the heck actually uses Internet Explorer? The only time IE has been used on a PC of mine in the past ten or more years, was because some program I had accidentally opened it.

I need to just go delete the thing so that it doesn't happen again, heck anytime it does happen, the thing is still telling me that I need to update to IE8.

Firefox for life! ...or until it becomes something else that is better, though still the same. I find Chrome to be a smoldering pile of crap, to much "ease of use trash".

Basically, when it comes to browsers, I'm the old man shouting, "Get off my lawn", and, "Stop trying to get me to use these newfangled wizbang-doodles you keep coming out with!"

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Have Vista here. Haven't had too many problems, just the resource hog thing, though I can keep it in check most of the time.

If you want to see any real progress they need to drop console support altogether. And go back to making games for gamers and not shallow interactive media for anyone.

Don't make me choose. Consoles have been good to me, and when I had a relatively good PC, PC has been good to me.

All we have to do is find a way to get developers to understand how to develop for both styles of play. That when it comes to PC there are certain settings and customization that need to be in the game so the player can tweak it.

Consoles have their pros and cons.

PCs have their pros and cons.

They can play different roles to fit different types of people.

I myself fit both roles because I grew up with both. I find certain games work better on consoles for me and others on PC.

Right now since my PC is a crummy three(almost four) year old Dell, I'm just playing the low quality(graphics tasking wise) indie games like FTL, and also MMOs like LotRO.

Of course I have my back catalog of Xbox 360, Wii, Gamecube, N64, SNES, NES, PSP, DS, Advanced, GB Color, and GB(still have my classic grey brick system) games.

What can I say, I was big with about everything(well with what truly is out there, let's say half of everything).

During the times I don't have an amazing PC, I have my console and handheld stuff to fall back on.

I want both platforms to survive, well until we get some kind of universally playable anywhere holodeck. Though I'd be willing to bet that holodeck addiction would be a lot more prevalent then gaming addiction is today. I know I probably could lose myself in a holodeck for at least a month. It would remove the need go on vacation, well of course a holodeck for some time would be a thing for the rich.

Okay that's enough, no more rambling. Ramble ramble....

I ramble more

One of the problems with consoles is market penetration, the more you can sell to the more you focus on selling. Its at times a spiraling effect. I am surprised gaming is not worse than it is at times then I look at every other AAA game and hang my head. ;_;

 

[Rack]

Windows XP is better in every way except that DX11 isn't supported. Most features are removed in Win 7. It has really hard times with administrative options. I never once had to download a third party program just to be allowed to delete something on win XP, but that seems to be par for the course with Win 7. The taskbar has needless stacking. Windows image viewer for win 7 has removed features; eg. no ability to view GIFs. The only areas it made any progress are things like transparent taskbars and rotating desktop images, which is like who gives a shit?

So I can't say this is a step in the right direction. But it was expected so whatever.

Steps in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned. Windows 7 is scarcely 3 years old so any PC from mid 2009 and earlier had no good option other than XP. I don't believe buying a new pc every 3 years in order to get prettier graphics and shorter and shallower games is a good step in any way, shape or form.

You.. uhh... you realize that you only have to buy the new OS and not a whole new computer, right? Win 7 does not care what GPU or mobo you have... It just want's you to have enough room on your hard drive to install it. That's kind of the whole point of PCs... you don't need to buy an entirely new system just to upgrade a single component.

Obviously I do. You realise that Win 7 costs money don't you? Quite a lot to run a handful of titles and the headache of re-installing Windows.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

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I ramble more

One of the problems with consoles is market penetration, the more you can sell to the more you focus on selling. Its at times a spiraling effect. I am surprised gaming is not worse than it is at times then I look at every other AAA game and hang my head. ;_;

It all comes down to preference as well, because some of the AAA games mentioned in this thread by other people as being dumbed down or too short, Dragon Age 2 for instance, I loved.

Of course, I'm the type of gamer that if I had the money and went to Walmart or Gamestop or wherever and a worker asked what game I was interested in getting:

I'd say give me one of everything, well, except the girly girly games and extremely kiddy stuff(the mind numbing stuff).

Now you mentioned shallow stuff earlier. I would say in the past few years, the only game I regretted buying was Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2. And I ended up getting the collector's edition of it too. Seriously, I got more use out of the little Star-Killer flash drive that came with the thing than the game. The only thing that made that game slightly better was the cheap little one dollar Endor DLC mission, because it let me force punt/kick Ewoks.(oh and the one dollar skin DLC which allowed me to play as Admiral Akbar). But seriously, that game was a one sitting game if you just were looking to play it once.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Obviously I do. You realise that Win 7 costs money don't you? Quite a lot to run a handful of titles and the headache of re-installing Windows.

Then you should be more clear because "I don't believe buying a new pc every 3 years" implies that you're, you know, buying a new PC not buying a new OS. And you're paying because they are dropping support for XP very soon. Also if you look for sales and rebates you can pretty easily get it for like 50-60$, which is far less than 'buying a new PC.'

 

[Twilight_guy]

Good. Maybe some of the people who have there heads in the sand or up their asses will realize how stupid it is to try and be stagnate in the world of technology. And maybe pigs fly though ice sculptures in hell.

 

[Rack]

Obviously I do. You realise that Win 7 costs money don't you? Quite a lot to run a handful of titles and the headache of re-installing Windows.

Then you should be more clear because "I don't believe buying a new pc every 3 years" implies that you're, you know, buying a new PC not buying a new OS. And you're paying because they are dropping support for XP very soon. Also if you look for sales and rebates you can pretty easily get it for like 50-60$, which is far less than 'buying a new PC.'

I was taking it as read the only rational reason to buy a new operating system is because you are buying a new computer. I do this because that is overwhelmingly the most common practise.

 

[barbzilla]

Well after 11 years if you can't... afford the basic edition of a new OS, that is your fault

I know most of my post was idealistic, but it's that attitude right there that I'm not particular fond of. That's all. It'd still be more ideal if older stuff was supported better as it's often just a waste otherwise.

Sorry I wasn't trying to insinuate you as a person in the statement, I was referencing your as a generalization for people. I understand that attitudes abound in a discussion like this, I just wanted to point out that the cost vs the effect just isn't worth it anymore for any person to expect a publisher/developer to want to fund/test/support an 11 year old operating system. Unless, of course, a large chunk (25% or greater) still use said OS. Sorry if any slights were taken, none were intended.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

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I ramble more

One of the problems with consoles is market penetration, the more you can sell to the more you focus on selling. Its at times a spiraling effect. I am surprised gaming is not worse than it is at times then I look at every other AAA game and hang my head. ;_;

It all comes down to preference as well, because some of the AAA games mentioned in this thread by other people as being dumbed down or too short, Dragon Age 2 for instance, I loved.

Of course, I'm the type of gamer that if I had the money and went to Walmart or Gamestop or wherever and a worker asked what game I was interested in getting:

I'd say give me one of everything, well, except the girly girly games and extremely kiddy stuff(the mind numbing stuff).

Now you mentioned shallow stuff earlier. I would say in the past few years, the only game I regretted buying was Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2. And I ended up getting the collector's edition of it too. Seriously, I got more use out of the little Star-Killer flash drive that came with the thing than the game. The only thing that made that game slightly better was the cheap little one dollar Endor DLC mission, because it let me force punt/kick Ewoks.(oh and the one dollar skin DLC which allowed me to play as Admiral Akbar). But seriously, that game was a one sitting game if you just were looking to play it once.

I am always looking for more from games not less. So I get pissed off at bugs, watered down/over simplified mechanics level design.

I kind of liked DA:0 as it was kinda like Dungeon Siege 1( or Balgers gate) only less mindless point and clicking. DA 2 was alot more point and clicking and not fixes to everything else that was half assed. I got pissed at FF12 for not having a good enough party control system but nothing puts me to to sleep like the crappy skill/equipment system it and most newer JRPGs have...and FF12 has the best level design layouts of most J/W RPGs to boot.

I loved ME 1 even with the flaws found ME2 to be a dumbed down shooter in comparison and ME3 is not better.

I had to put down Dishororned as the IA is to stupid I kept raging at it like I did when I found out how over simplified and dumbed down Bioshock was.

Started up Dead island since its on my play list and handy to install.

I liked what they did with Fable Fable 2 and 3 are just WTF they expanded upon all the wrong things 0-o

I do have a thing for so bad their good games. Shadow of the Damned I loved, I loved how hard and quirky SW:unleashed was not got around to the 2nd one as I am a bargain basement shopper 7 out of 10 times >>

 

[Zenn3k]

XP is out dated

Windows 7 is a great OS (for windows anyway), upgrade and stop complaining.

 

[kasperbbs]

It's old and outdated now so no surprises there.

I don't really mind but I certainly don't think its a step in the right direction. I don't want this escalating to having to buy a new PC all the time to keep up with games. Thank god for consoles.

Please enlighten me how consoles don't have this particular 'problem'.

 

[Odbarc]

Windows XP was good. I still use the XP set-up on my computer.

Play anything that's come out in the past 6 months?

Diablo 3, Torchlight 2.
I have windows 7 set to XP mode.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Windows 7 is scarcely 3 years old so any PC from mid 2009 and earlier had no good option other than XP

Errr... whuh?

They've had 3 years to upgrade their OS. That's long enough.

Nah. They've had since 2006 to upgrade from XP. The notion that they can keep using an 11 year old system is quite laughable, really, and I for one welcome the games that ditch support.

To be fair, Vista was such a pile of carefully handpicked slime that it's impossible to fault someone for staying miles away and clutching their XP for a while. However, there is no reason not to use 7 anymore, as it's initial problems are now gone.

No reason except for the 200 dollar price tag. Why bother paying 200 bucks for a new OS when your current one works fine as is? I sure as hell wouldn't bother and the only reason I've got windows 7 now is because my old pc shorted out and ruined most of the components

$200? Lolwut?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

 

[thesilentman]

If all of you guys are worried about backward compatibility, what's stopping you guys from running an XP VM?

OT- Buy Windows 8, 7 if you hate Metro. Games are current tech. What's current? Win7/8. If you can't afford 7, get 8. You have no excuse for 8 Pro as it's 70 USD. 70. Not a lot to get on top of technology. 8 will also run on old tech, so what are you waiting for?

 

[ResonanceSD]

so what are you waiting for?

Well as you can see here, most people are waiting to be forced into upgrading.

 

[Edl01]

I'll admit I am kind of sad, I really loved windows XP although I will admit 7 is just a much better OS in general. Honestly even then I would prefer them to drop Vista instead because I couldn't STAND windows vista, it is why I had XP longer than most other OS's.

 

[theultimateend]

Vista was nowhere near as bad as people say. It can be kinda system hoggy, yes, but it's really not that bad. Its 64 bit incarnation, for example, was much better supported than XP 64 bit.

Yup. Vista ran like a champ for me. Had actual driver support too .

The problem was that they were using barebones XP machines at places like Circuit City to push the new OS.

So these pcs that sucked on XP were sucking worse on Vista.

At least that was my observation (I worked PC repairs and Car Installation at Circuit City).

Dropping a large percentage of people is an insanely stupid idea, especially since new OS' cost a boatload of moolah. I've never upgraded my OS, unless I was forced to buy a whole new computer.

Maybe a dingy of moolah, boatload is a slight exaggeration.

Unless a car costs a nationload worth of moolah.

 

[Muspelheim]

Perhaps rather than just keep lumbering forward like some sort of Soviet penal batallion, it'd be a good time go go downwards? You know, finding a few new depths?

With the exception of processor-eater ArmA II, none of my favorite games with something fun or interesting to bring to the table have been any technical graphic marvels, and I honestly don't think a game with something to say for itself needs that.

Technical advancement and updates is certainly one form of progress, but it doesn't -equal- progress.

 

[BeerTent]

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That's a fair point, actually, and one I hadn't considered. Microsoft does charge a fair bit for a box of even its basic OS version.

Funnily enough, I ran the compatibility wizard for win 8 on my pc, and guess what? My bluetooth driver, usb 3.0 driver, and most of the system utilities that came on it are not compatible. And I got this thing in October. It says I also would need to re-install my graphics driver. Yeah.. looks like no win8 on this box.

I'm sorry, I gotta poke holes with this...

Unless you have a device that was brand new and pushing the "amazing new technology" of Bluetooth or USB3.0, Windows Generic drivers will be able to fully utilize those two devices. This is probably why Windows says it can't support the drivers for these devices, because it knows that it's own generic drivers will fit the bill better, or these devices are so archaic that support for Win7 was an afterthought. (Which is unlikely.)

Re-installing your graphics card [fix: DRIVERS] should also be normal for the upgrade. If your Graphics card is a not-so-well known device, there may not be support for it across the Windows Update platform. In which case, no matter what you choose through the upgrade wizard, the old drivers will be uninstalled, and you'll be stuck on Windows Generic Drivers until you get the new drivers that supports 8. I strongly recommend checking for new drivers that support 8 beforehand though, I remember when AMD bought ATI, and my card, released just months before 7, would not support Win7. =/ I was displeased with AMD.

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Dropping a large percentage of people is an insanely stupid idea, especially since new OS' cost a boatload of moolah. I've never upgraded my OS, unless I was forced to buy a whole new computer.

Win8 is out for $50, $17 if your keen on lying. Even then, if you have a disposable income, $150 is not a lot to drop on a major system upgrade.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

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Acutally, I did screw that up. I was thinking an OS was hardware because I was thinking of my old laptop. However, if they start dropping support for old stuff now it is certainly a step in the direction of dropping support for more stuff. Not a big step but still not something I plan on celebrating.

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You may have noticed, but a new console doesn't come out every year while new stuff for PC does. I would have a problem if they started doing that though.

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I said it probably wouldn't happen but there is always a chance. I don't like to assume people will do the logical thing.