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I 'think' this has something to do with foreign students. The universities (in the UK at least) have to make sure international students attend their lectures and have not simply signed upto a uni as to get a visa. (This does happen quite a lot and recently a college in London somewhere got caught giving uni places out for exactly this!) To make it fair lots of univesities therefore register everyone, everyone treated equally, none above it.Wadders said:
I'm a Masters student and it still happens to me. It's life and tbh not that bigger deal.
Too right! You can come to a country that only has one industry to stand onmadster11 said:
O/T Griffith uni in Queensland is a pretty good university, I can't really complain about it. Parking is expensive though.
Bit of a misleading idea of how it works. You don't start paying back until you're earning a certain wage, and even then it scales fairly comfortably. It's not like it's weighing on your shoulders as you desperately search for a job.capper42 said:
We have that, I presume it's so they can catch people who seem likely to fuck up by never going in and making the Uni look bad.Wadders said:
My twin sister and I applied for University at the same time.... the University near our house, as that's why our parents bought the house, so we could walk to all levels of schooling.
Anyway... my sister and I are twins, both our names start with S. My sister got her paperwork back from the University detailing her course signup dates and scholarship information. I got... nothing. We waited, then my high school contacted the University.
"Oh, we thought it was a duplicate application, so we tossed it. Also... it's too late to get a decent course sign-up date and we won't be giving you any scholarships because it's past the date to give them. We're not even sorry. Fuck you."
... So I lost the chance to sign up for the courses I wanted, and did not get any scholarships.
I mean, I could have fought it, but I was a kid and no one even told me I could fight it back then.
It pretty much ruined my secondary education because I couldn't sign up for the courses I needed, and second year you don't get first shot at signing up for the intro courses, so they're full by the time you try and sign up... overall, I was fucked. Years later I went to another College and now work for the government, so a big 'fuck you' right back to the University. I also encourage people not to go to University and to take up a trade instead. Much better money, and you graduate faster.
Anyway... my sister and I are twins, both our names start with S. My sister got her paperwork back from the University detailing her course signup dates and scholarship information. I got... nothing. We waited, then my high school contacted the University.
"Oh, we thought it was a duplicate application, so we tossed it. Also... it's too late to get a decent course sign-up date and we won't be giving you any scholarships because it's past the date to give them. We're not even sorry. Fuck you."
... So I lost the chance to sign up for the courses I wanted, and did not get any scholarships.
I mean, I could have fought it, but I was a kid and no one even told me I could fight it back then.
It pretty much ruined my secondary education because I couldn't sign up for the courses I needed, and second year you don't get first shot at signing up for the intro courses, so they're full by the time you try and sign up... overall, I was fucked. Years later I went to another College and now work for the government, so a big 'fuck you' right back to the University. I also encourage people not to go to University and to take up a trade instead. Much better money, and you graduate faster.
Well neither my uni nor me, but we have this "oaths" in Unis in Poland (not in mine, luckily).
So there's shit like "I give my word I will uphold the morals and stuff that are basic fundaments of democracy".
So one guy was like, wait wtf, I won't promise that. And he said that he won't make this oath, because he's a supporter of constitutional monarchy.
He got expelled in an instant. Yay for getting thrown out of uni for political views.
So there's shit like "I give my word I will uphold the morals and stuff that are basic fundaments of democracy".
So one guy was like, wait wtf, I won't promise that. And he said that he won't make this oath, because he's a supporter of constitutional monarchy.
He got expelled in an instant. Yay for getting thrown out of uni for political views.
I understand that the amount you pay back is proportional to how much you earn, and you don't pay anything until you're earning over a certain amount. It's still an additional expense however, and just because a debt takes a long time to pay off doesn't mean it's not a concern.Woodsey said:
I perhaps worded it a little wrong, I made having the debt after finishing look like my main point, I really wanted to say that I don't think £27,000 is worth the amount of education you receive.
Nothing that bad, but we only got briefed about one of our courseworks three weeks after we were supposed to, because two of our lectures thought eachother were supposed to do it. Now that's communication!
Yay a thread where I can vent the stupidity of one of my classes. Well I'm a freshamn in my first semester at San Diego State University and I'm majoring in Electrical Engineering so naturally I have to take a math class. Sadly I couldn't afford to take a placement test that would have put me in Math 150, calculus, and instead had to take Math 141, precalculus. They decided because of budget cuts to only offer the class online and the professor literally does not do a single damn thing. Instead he leaves it up to us to teach ourselves advanced math from a poorly written online textbook. Next he tells us that if we need help to go to tutoring but the all the tutors except one have no idea what in the hell they are doing.
Most of the class is failing the course, please note that this is a class of 500, and so we filed a grievance against the professor. Sadly it's too late for anything to be done about the class but we were hoping to change it for next semester. Sadly it's being offered the same exact way. I tried to confront the professor, which was actually the first time I had ever even seen him, and he said that the class is that way because they don't have the resources. Really? You don't have the resources yet you have 4 TAs being paid for tutoring hours as well as you getting paid? You know the class is bad when if you get in the 60% range you pass the class with a C. Never had to work so hard for a C in my life, hell I've never even gotten one before. I'm gonna retake the course just at a community college because I find that this is utter bull.
Most of the class is failing the course, please note that this is a class of 500, and so we filed a grievance against the professor. Sadly it's too late for anything to be done about the class but we were hoping to change it for next semester. Sadly it's being offered the same exact way. I tried to confront the professor, which was actually the first time I had ever even seen him, and he said that the class is that way because they don't have the resources. Really? You don't have the resources yet you have 4 TAs being paid for tutoring hours as well as you getting paid? You know the class is bad when if you get in the 60% range you pass the class with a C. Never had to work so hard for a C in my life, hell I've never even gotten one before. I'm gonna retake the course just at a community college because I find that this is utter bull.
ok, so my university is free, it has a lot of great teachers, and it actually prepears you to the challenges of a working enviroment (basically they treat you like a number and they dont give a shit just like when you work,), also you get into the world with a lot of knoledge of how to manage yourself in it
UOC in Lancaster charged me 2980£ for the first year and I was there 8 hours MAX in any given week, full-time my arse. The time table also changed randomly and made working around it difficult and since it's full time I got maybe £2000 to live on for the year...boots said:
Our hours a week were usually around 9 in taught lessons, during the dissertation year that went down to about 4 hours of optional workshops that half the time the lecturers wouldn't turn up to. The rest we were supposed to learn ourselves through the reading lists. Bloody scam, although my course was a bit of a doss so I spent the best part of four years watching Top Gear on Dave. Now that I have to work 9-5 for a living I can honestly say those were the best years of my life, although it was a complete rip off to do it.boots said:
Also they consistently dicked us over with our lecture rooms, we were based in the same building as the Architects, and the architects got all the rooms while we were relegated to having to move all around campus to a different classroom in different buildings for every lecture because our designated rooms in the building were "being renovated". In my final year they final finished renovating them, and moved the architects straight into the shiny new area, while our two postgrad classes were thrown into the same old room in the still unchanged side of the building, that was way too small and we couldn't use it at the same time. Genius.
And then there was our final year trip to Barcelona, which is an awesome place to go, but we had to pay for everything: flights, food, etc. The university block-booked a hostel for us, but still made us pay the actual fees for it. The lecturers of course got to go all expenses paid to one of the swankiest hotels in the city (they weren't going to stay with us!) and got spending money for food and expenses, the university paid absolutely nothing to help us.
We had our own dedicated library for all the Science subjects, but halfway through the university built a brand-spanking new super duper library and consolidated everyone into it, so our old library was shut down, The same number of books on our subject were in the new library, but they only built 21 private group study rooms, to accommodate everyone in the university The pressure on the rooms for group work was so intense you had to book the rooms beforehand, and you had to do it about 48 hours in advance or you wouldn't get a room. That was a right shambles.
There's loads of other crap my uni pulled on me, but that'll do for now, I think those are the most vivid offenders.
Jesus. And to think, I would've been going there too if they had a media production course.Khinjarsi said:
Plymouth ain't great, but they at least have a lot of good equipment for media. I hear some places are hideously under-equipped.
The problem with our lectures is that there's a lot of useless lectures. It ain't so bad when things are quiet. Nearer the end of term, with deadlines looming, some of the lecturer's response to low attendence start to sound a lot less reasonable.
20ish of contact hours and 10 assignment work hours a week means that I can't put enough commitment into a job and keep my grades up. So I need a maintenance loan on top of the tuition which brings it to £12,500 a year. 4 year course. Yup, £40,000-50,000 is a lot of debt to start life with. Fuck the tory government and fuck Nick Clegg in his lying face. Education used to be free.
We have one week left of term and of the three lectures I have, one of them is a workshop for the essay due about two days after, another is another workshop for the essay due two days after (both of which are supposed to be 3 hour lectures) and one is a review session because that's the deadline day. I expect noone to turn up. And they won't care. And they all assume theirs is the only module you take.Doclector said:
I had a teacher who put 3 questions in the beginning of the final exam and told us that if we got anything wrong on them he would multiply the entire exam grade by 0. Oh and 2 of the 3 questions had 3 parts to them. I only got one tiny part wrong and the reasoning was iffy at best. Also the final was a redicilous part of the course grade. Now I have a failing mark on my GPA and the possibility that the class in question isn't taught at my school anymore. The teacher used to be my advisor and I just got confirmation that my advisor has changed so... shit. Damn course wasn't even required for me to graduate.
Also I had to take an intro to computing class that was quite stupid. Online course that required us to read powerpoints and do quizzes every week. The quizzes Jumped between topics, half of the information on the powerpoints was missing, and the "practice exams" turned out to have actual weight on our grades. Teacher was unavailable for contact most of the time and when she was, didn't help at all. She changed the room number without updating anything or putting a note on the door of the old room.
Both of these classes were on the same semester, luckly I did great in my other classes to compensate but my gpa still dropped low enough to put me on academic probation... by only a few hundreths of a point.
Also I had to take an intro to computing class that was quite stupid. Online course that required us to read powerpoints and do quizzes every week. The quizzes Jumped between topics, half of the information on the powerpoints was missing, and the "practice exams" turned out to have actual weight on our grades. Teacher was unavailable for contact most of the time and when she was, didn't help at all. She changed the room number without updating anything or putting a note on the door of the old room.
Both of these classes were on the same semester, luckly I did great in my other classes to compensate but my gpa still dropped low enough to put me on academic probation... by only a few hundreths of a point.
Ah uni fees. You know you don't have to pay them back until you hit a certain wage threshold right? Those still at uni in the UK on the 3~k a year fees don't have to pay up till they're earning 15k a year. And trust me, you won't be earning 15k straight out of uni.
I graduated in July and all that's happened since has been that my part time job at Asda has become my full time job. That's what a 2:1 BSc in Archaeology gets you. I'm planning on emigrating in a few years anyway so the student loans company won't see jack outta me!
I graduated in July and all that's happened since has been that my part time job at Asda has become my full time job. That's what a 2:1 BSc in Archaeology gets you. I'm planning on emigrating in a few years anyway so the student loans company won't see jack outta me!
Huh, suddenly studying in Germany sounds a lot better. I paid £ 1000 a year for a 5-year chemistry course. That included a ticket for all public transport in the province (is that the right word? It's Bundesland in german, not sure how to translate it but never mind). We had around 5 hours of lectures a week. each with one or two hours of tutorials, and then a few hours of compulsory lab time every afternoon. Attendance in lectures was not compulsory, we just had to pass the exam in the end. Toward the end of the degree there were quite a few optional seminars and lectures without exams at the end, but still relevant depending on which area you wanted to specialise in.
At the end there were oral exams in the three main areas of chemisty (inorganic, organic, physical) and in our chosen specialty. After the exams we had to do a six-month dissertation project which mde up a third of the overall grade.
Of course, it wasn't perfect. The labs were quite crowded in the beginning, until analytical chemistry in the second term culled the weak and only those who'd passed (or at least survived) were allowed to move on to the organic chemistry labs.
Labs and tutorials were supervised by grad students, who sometimes didn't always know quite what they were doing, but mostly we still learned something.
I can't remember there ever being trouble about attendance or lack thereof. In one lecture, theoretical chemistry, we ended up with a dozen people, and the professor brought cookies every week.
Concerning dick moves...I can't recall any that stem from department policy, just the usual people being jerks stuff. It's not an easy degree, especially the lab stuff was very demanding, and there were strict rules about attendance, if someone didn't show up for more than a day or two or didn't finish their assignments they had to redo the whole thing.
It was always pretty fair though. The conditions were known in advance, and in general the supervisors were quite lenient. But it didn't matter why you'd been away, because no matter what the reson was, being away meant not learning important practical skills which you'd need for your future career.
At the end there were oral exams in the three main areas of chemisty (inorganic, organic, physical) and in our chosen specialty. After the exams we had to do a six-month dissertation project which mde up a third of the overall grade.
Of course, it wasn't perfect. The labs were quite crowded in the beginning, until analytical chemistry in the second term culled the weak and only those who'd passed (or at least survived) were allowed to move on to the organic chemistry labs.
Labs and tutorials were supervised by grad students, who sometimes didn't always know quite what they were doing, but mostly we still learned something.
I can't remember there ever being trouble about attendance or lack thereof. In one lecture, theoretical chemistry, we ended up with a dozen people, and the professor brought cookies every week.
Concerning dick moves...I can't recall any that stem from department policy, just the usual people being jerks stuff. It's not an easy degree, especially the lab stuff was very demanding, and there were strict rules about attendance, if someone didn't show up for more than a day or two or didn't finish their assignments they had to redo the whole thing.
It was always pretty fair though. The conditions were known in advance, and in general the supervisors were quite lenient. But it didn't matter why you'd been away, because no matter what the reson was, being away meant not learning important practical skills which you'd need for your future career.
I'm transferring to a University from a small local college next year and oh boy the costs are going to kill me. For two years I'm going to be about $40,000 in the hole if I don't get any other kinds of help. I really hope I do. $40,000 is a lot of debt to have.
College is so expensive.
College is so expensive.