Most infuriating "cutscene incompotence" moment?

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Abomination said:
In Far Cry III I hunt bears, tigers, crocodiles and sharks with a machette but Vaas is always able to get the jump on me somehow. I can outmanoeuvre a TIGER in the jungle or a SHARK in the ocean. Yet some bald nutty... Hispanic (? I never got how he was Hispanic) can take me down in one movement?
The best was the cave with the ransom videos, where a guy magically spawns after having cleared it twice (I snuck in before getting the key, and then after took out the batch of spawn from nowhere people) and KOs you in one shot immediately after having taken down something like 20 dudes with machetes.


In Dishonored, Corvo just stands there and lets himself be accused of murdering the Empress, No attempt at verbal defense even, or escape.

The later FF's all tend to have a point where the demi-god characters are just stopped by guns pointed at them.

AC3 when Connor gets arrested by two grunts that he should be able to kill or disable in about 0.2 seconds.

Dark Souls, you get cutscened into watching Pinwheel til he turns around and splits. Gameplay wise I'd just creep up and backstab that twit.
 

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The ending of Red Dead Redemption was completely spoiled for me when John Marston's head and all the soldiers' heads started spinning round The Exorcist style.
 

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Dragon Age: Origins.

Hey guys, see that incredibly ancient, powerful and possibly possessed witch you came here to kill? Yeah, don't start stabbing the crap out of her or anything while she has her back to you. No, just stand there in a rough diamond formation like a pack of gormless twits while she calmly walks over to that little hill and turns herself into a fucking dragon.
 

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Remember in KOTOR where you first face the bad guy and you're KICKING HIS ASS...

And then that dumb cow goes 'I'LL SAVE YOU' and toss herself to him?

Yeah...
I remember everyone complaining about this at the time. Doesn't really bother me since no one has yet invented a way for the player to lose a fight and integrate that into gameplay.
 

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I think far more infuriating than this are those times when, in the cutscene, your character does something really, really cool that he or she can't ever do in the game. I always just think "LET ME PLAY THAT PART!" Uncharted is a main offender in this category.
 

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Fallout 3, when you first enter 'The Pitt'. I'm level 24, with full power armor, 500+ stimpacks, and the terrible shotgun. I literally fistfight with deathclaws for fun, and have survived ground zero of a fat man explosion in an enclosed space. For all intents and purposes, I'm bloody well indestructible.

Yet somehow, four plebs armed with sticks and armored with spare tires and bondage outfits appear. They get the drop, okay, I understand this. Then the lead guy, the guy with the shotgun barrel literally pointed at his forehead, begins to monologue at me. Cue a prompt twelve-gauge lobotomy since he's so obliging in giving me a window to...wait...what's this? They're hitting me with sticks? How cute.

Except that the walking incarnation of death and destruction somehow gets brained by neanderthals.

It took me a month to bring myself to pick the game back up after that. Bethesda disappointed rather massively with the railroading there.
 

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Half Life.

When you're jumped by two Marines.

Two, bearing in mind you've torn through about a hundred by that point. Gah.
 

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Zhukov said:
Dragon Age: Origins.

Hey guys, see that incredibly ancient, powerful and possibly possessed witch you came here to kill? Yeah, don't start stabbing the crap out of her or anything while she has her back to you. No, just stand there in a rough diamond formation like a pack of gormless twits while she calmly walks over to that little hill and turns herself into a fucking dragon.
A prime example of what I was gonna say. Those cutscenes where the good guys are in conversation with the big bad or a major bad and the good guys have every means possible of being rid of him right then and there but instead choose to be halfwit statues and refuse to do anything.
 

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Metroid: Other M painfully comes to mind.

When the Metroid is stalking about near the end of the game, Adam shoots Samus THEN shoots the Metroid.

That cutscene was obscene amounts of stupid, incompetence AND ape-shit monkey nuts retardation.
 

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Dues ex: HR, the scene with Zhao was just painfully bad. Not just because of gameplay and story segregation where the character appears stronger in the actual game than they are story wise, I?m use to that and can accept it so long as the character doesn't stand there looking like a deer caught in headlights while this going on but because Adam got hit with stupid bat aswell. ?oh I?m really just a helpless woman, continue standing there brooding while I walk around behind you.?
Perfect. That was one of those moments where it fully dawned on me that this wasn't the Deus Ex I asked for. I was mashing Q that whole cutscene hoping this was some kind of cleverly disguised quicktime event.
 

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Zhukov said:
Dragon Age: Origins.

Hey guys, see that incredibly ancient, powerful and possibly possessed witch you came here to kill? Yeah, don't start stabbing the crap out of her or anything while she has her back to you. No, just stand there in a rough diamond formation like a pack of gormless twits while she calmly walks over to that little hill and turns herself into a fucking dragon.
I find this hilarious actually. If you played with a rouge, you could set half a million traps on the hillside before the fight even began, turning it into a do a bunch of coniving shit and then watch her spawn right on top of it all moment.

OT: I'm actually really forgiving when it comes to cutscene incompetence and weapon loadouts. Actual stupidity, however, is usually what agrivates the hell out of me. I'm going to say that Other M's cutscene with Ridley was an example of cutscene stupidity due to previous games and the fact that Samus had been slaughtering monsters left and right, but froze up on that one creature. Not because it was bigger or more powerful than the others (or even past Ridleys) mind you, but because...a manga said she would? Ugh.
 

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Zhukov said:
Dragon Age: Origins.

Hey guys, see that incredibly ancient, powerful and possibly possessed witch you came here to kill? Yeah, don't start stabbing the crap out of her or anything while she has her back to you. No, just stand there in a rough diamond formation like a pack of gormless twits while she calmly walks over to that little hill and turns herself into a fucking dragon.
DA:O had that quite a bit. Oh hey a demon, I think I?ll just calmly walk right up to it and have a chat! Or bandits why don?t I just stand up and stare at them until they notice me! It?s especially infuriating when it happens as I was getting my rouges in position before the battle starts and it means your character ends up in front and so is the one everyone targets. That's fine if you?re the one tanking but not when you?re playing a fragile character.
 

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SilverBullets000 said:
OT: I'm actually really forgiving when it comes to cutscene incompetence and weapon loadouts. Actual stupidity, however, is usually what agrivates the hell out of me. I'm going to say that Other M's cutscene with Ridley was an example of cutscene stupidity due to previous games and the fact that Samus had been slaughtering monsters left and right, but froze up on that one creature. Not because it was bigger or more powerful than the others (or even past Ridleys) mind you, but because...a manga said she would? Ugh.
I know I'm probably inviting the wrath of the Escapist by defending Other M, but fuck it. I really don't think that scene is the monumental fuck up everyone says it is. People assume that because Samus had already killed Ridley, she should be totally 'over it' when that's not how PTSD works at all.

You can read an article here where a games journalist specifically talked to a war veteran suffering from PTSD, and a professional who deals with psychological issues, about post-traumatic stress syndrome, and Other M in particular. They brought up the Ridley scene you mention. The response from the vet and the psychiatrist?

Q: I?d like you to watch the following video from a recent Videogame called ?Metroid: Other M?.

(Clip was shown)

The context of the video is that Samus, the woman in the red and orange armor, has fought and seemingly defeated the creature (Ridley) in the video on two past occasions and assumed he was dead. Her confrontations with Ridley all stem from it killing her family when she was a small child. As we see in the video, Samus appears to be horrified to see Ridley after years of assuming he was dead, and simply freezes. What are your thoughts on the video?

Koehne: That is very much so how PTSD works.... you daze out of it for long stretches and your brain seems to freeze and do its own thing or render you basically useless...

Dr. Grohol: Mental disorders like PTSD are recognized disorders of brain and behavior that have decades worth of research and are based upon thousands of peer-reviewed studies. It is no different than having a disease like diabetes or Parkinson's.

Q: This scene has caused a row amongst the gaming community. Some feel she has PTSD, and others say that she should be able to ?get over it? as she has fought him before and won. Can one simply ?get over? something if it causes PTSD?

Koehne: A story answers this for my point of view. I watched a man burn to death and pulled guard on his body so we could retrieve the remains and not let the insurgents disgrace the fallen soldier by dragging his body around the streets. To this day I have a problem with barbecues which used to be one of my favorite things to do.... I still do BBQ every now and then.... but things have changed!!

Dr. Grohol: If someone experience a trauma at an early age, such as having someone kill their family, then something like post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is indeed a possible reaction. One does not simply "get over" a mental disorder because these are not choices we make in the first place. Who would consciously choose to be depressed, or to have PTSD? It's an absurd argument.

Q: How realistic would a situation like the above be, or being a work of fiction, was it handled incorrectly?

Koehne: That is a great depiction of PTSD... and just to think soldiers have to deal with that in real life fights...

Dr. Grohol: Someone who was in a situation where they had something to trigger a flashback, as what appears to occur in the video, could very possibly react in a similar manner -- frozen in place, being unable to act or react for a time. Flashbacks themselves can be traumatizing, and different people will experience and react to them differently. The reaction of the character in the video was consistent with the way some people might react to meeting -- once again -- a murderer they thought they had previously killed.
So yeah... I for one don't have any problem with that scene. If a vet suffering from PTSD himself and a qualified psychiatrist say it's a good representation of mental trauma, I'll happily go with that over the rantings of an online fanbase.

OT: Mass Effect 3 was a pretty bad offender. Kai-Leng was only able to get away with being a douchebag because Shepard was replaced in cutscenes by an incompetent loser who couldn't shoot straight.
Wrath incurred.
Kidding, I won't knock you for your tastes, though it baffles me a little.

My main problem with the PTSD argument is that it isn't justified inside the game at any point by the story. You could argue that the flashback at the point where she freezes up is said justification, but because it isn't expaneded upon or explained, all we're left with is that Samus froze up in front of an enemy she's defeated multiple times already because she turned into a little girl.
Keep in mind that the game doesn't explain that Ridley killed her parents and shows no indication that this had happened. As well, since said manga never got localized (and even if it did, how many people would have known about it exactly?), we have no reason to beleive they'd carry over such a thing into the game.

On a more personal note as well, I feel that adding the disorder actually takes away from Samus' character as opposed to adding to it, as defenders of the game like to argue. Before Other M, she was a fearless bounty hunter. She may have been a bit bland, sure, but her actions spoke louder than words and hinted at a deeper character. After, she froze up at the sight of Ridley and almost let one of her squadmates die. As your quote said, the guy can't even barbeque casually anymore, what's to keep Samus from freezing up in the face of a more dangerous enemy because it reminds her of Ridley? It shoots down her credibility as a bounty hunter, especially when all the enemeis have to do is have a hologram of Ridly fly over Samus' head to incapacitate her.
 

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Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood.

While I was climbing the tower, Cesare was standing there in plain daylight out in the open or while he was having sex with his sister. I could have used the crossbow a bajillion times to take him out from above and silently, but nooooooo, that would have fucked up the story. Nevermind I just did it to all his guards...>.>

Mass Effect 3.

"OMG SHEPARD SHOOT THE FUCKING ROBOT BEFORE IT GETS TO KAIDAN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SHOOT THE DAMNED ROBOT! I'M PRESSING THE TRIGGER WHY CAN'T I SHOOT OMG SHEPAAAAAAARD!"

"SHEPARD NOVA THE ***** HE'S RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU. YOU'RE BOTH GODDAMN BIOTICS, USE YOURS! WHAT THE FUCK SHEPARD HE SHOULD BE FUCKING MINCEMEAT NOW. Biotics...omg what is the point of being one of the strongest biotics if you're not going to fucking USE THEM IN BATTLE AGAINST A FUCKING MANIAC."

"When did I get an assault rifle? I know I didn't pack one."

"Um, Shepard....you could have exploded the glass. You're a biotic too."

My biotic Shepards gave me a lot of grief. T^T
 

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I was actually just playing Max Payne 3 for the first time myself, aaaand was totally going to reply to this topic saying the exact thing you did in your opening post...so I guess I'm out of a response, caaaause you pretty much said it.
 

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DJjaffacake said:
Shepard's
sudden inability to shoot straight whenever Kai Leng gets a cutscene is incredibly irritating
in ME3
On that note, Shepard's inability to use his biotics in cutscenes throughout the series.
As we all know, Shepard is a Male Vanguard who looks nothing like that ugly guy on the box. Yet for some reason, in cutscenes he's a soldier.
"But what about the people who aren't playing biotics?" you might say.
What about the people who couldn't use assault rifles? (5/6ths of the classes" who kept using assault rifles durng cutscenes in 2)
People who don't want to play a space wizard in the Space Wizards franchise deserve to be unrepresented in cutscenes, Kai Leng should have been knocked off the car by a biotic charge, and smacked on his ass by a charge when he tries to close the elevator door on you.
Edit: It seems CleverClover has ninja'd me, although I'm pretty sure Kaidan died in one, so I don't know how he could possibly show up in 3 in Ashley's place.
 

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already mentioned

ME3
Every gun scene. I don't have a pistol or avenger in my inventory.why am i holding one?
Shepard can't shoot

Deus ex
Playing entire game stealthily and then cutscene; strolls into the middle of a warehouse and gets punched in the face
 

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CleverCover said:
Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood.

While I was climbing the tower, Cesare was standing there in plain daylight out in the open or while he was having sex with his sister. I could have used the crossbow a bajillion times to take him out from above and silently, but nooooooo, that would have fucked up the story. Nevermind I just did it to all his guards...>.>

Mass Effect 3.

"OMG SHEPARD SHOOT THE FUCKING ROBOT BEFORE IT GETS TO KAIDAN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING SHOOT THE DAMNED ROBOT! I'M PRESSING THE TRIGGER WHY CAN'T I SHOOT OMG SHEPAAAAAAARD!"

"SHEPARD NOVA THE ***** HE'S RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU. YOU'RE BOTH GODDAMN BIOTICS, USE YOURS! WHAT THE FUCK SHEPARD HE SHOULD BE FUCKING MINCEMEAT NOW. Biotics...omg what is the point of being one of the strongest biotics if you're not going to fucking USE THEM IN BATTLE AGAINST A FUCKING MANIAC."

"When did I get an assault rifle? I know I didn't pack one."

"Um, Shepard....you could have exploded the glass. You're a biotic too."

My biotic Shepards gave me a lot of grief. T^T
To be fair, there's also a lot of semi-cutscene grief during the Kai Leng/Robot fights.
Why make the scene interactive, but give them unlimited health?
During the robot chase, I kept hitting her with everything, simply because I could, but it was annoying to see nothing happen.
During the first Leng fight, you could only get him down to half shields before he went into invincible mode.
During the second Leng fight, you could only deplete sections of his shield as the conversation went on, and he smashed pieces of the floor. All other damage was prevented.
 

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HEAVY "WALKING DEAD" SPOILER!!! If you have not played the arcade game yet, I'd strongly suggest you do that but my moment is:

Lee getting bitten in Episode 4. I can't stand that since it was so obvious that it was about to happen...one of the only black marks that I have against this game but it's a pretty big freaking black mark. This went from Game of the Year to a pretty good game in one cut-scene for me

Even with this instance of cut-scene stupidity, I still adore this game and am looking forward to killing the rest of my night tonight to finish the game.
 

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Souplex said:
To be fair, there's also a lot of semi-cutscene grief during the Kai Leng/Robot fights.
Why make the scene interactive, but give them unlimited health?
During the robot chase, I kept hitting her with everything, simply because I could, but it was annoying to see nothing happen.
During the first Leng fight, you could only get him down to half shields before he went into invincible mode.
During the second Leng fight, you could only deplete sections of his shield as the conversation went on, and he smashed pieces of the floor. All other damage was prevented.
The second Leng fight I can forgive. He brought a gun ship to a gun battle after all. Maybe a skilled infiltrator would have got the job done, but I didn't bring Garrus and focus fire was on Shep.

The car chase scene is unforgivable for a biotic. Pull, Throw, Warp, hell, charge got me through walls. Leng should have been falling to his death.

The scene with the robot bothered me because it looked like my Shepard was paralyzed as the robot was gaining on Kaidan/Ashley after the shuttle crash. Once again, biotics or tech could have helped earlier so the damage to the VS wouldn't have been so bad. If it worked on geth, it should at least have an effect on the robot.

It's like all Shepards revert to soldiers during cutscenes. I didn't play a soldier since ME1 for that exact reason. They're boring!

Looking back, that game was filled with cutscene grief....