Movie Defense Force: Daredevil

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Kahani

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Wait, Elektra was a spin-off of this film? Really? But aside from the name of one of the characters there's absolutely nothing whatsoever that they have in common. Daredevil - blind lawyer fights regular criminals with martial arts. Elektra - prophesised chosen one fights weird spirit people with magic to prevent an ancient evil order from taking over the world.
 

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Baldry said:
Oh good I'm not the only one who noticed Ben Affleck only plays Ben Affleck, in fairness he is the best at being Ben Affleck.
Also if they wanted to achieve that they should've shown me the film the were copying so I at least got the reference and enjoyed a better film for a bit.
I normally like Ben Affleck as Ben Affleck. Which is why he's so bad for a superhero movie. Or any specific character that's not Ben Affleck. He's enjoyable, but I think he'd be a terrible James Bond, a terrible Abe Lincoln, etc. Why? Because he's Ben Affleck. That's who he is and what he does.

Showing The Crow instead of Daredevil would have been a plus. The movie's not flawless, but it is much more worth it. And a better comic book adaptation, I might add.
 

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Kahani said:
Wait, Elektra was a spin-off of this film? Really? But aside from the name of one of the characters there's absolutely nothing whatsoever that they have in common. Daredevil - blind lawyer fights regular criminals with martial arts. Elektra - prophesised chosen one fights weird spirit people with magic to prevent an ancient evil order from taking over the world.
They even had a deleted scene with Ben Affleck as Murdoch. Well, Ben Affleck as Ben Affleck, but still.

I kind of wonder if they didn't end up entirely attempting to distance the two properties.

"Yeah, sis, but it was better than Mall Rats."
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Baldry said:
Oh good I'm not the only one who noticed Ben Affleck only plays Ben Affleck, in fairness he is the best at being Ben Affleck.
Also if they wanted to achieve that they should've shown me the film the were copying so I at least got the reference and enjoyed a better film for a bit.
I normally like Ben Affleck as Ben Affleck. Which is why he's so bad for a superhero movie. Or any specific character that's not Ben Affleck. He's enjoyable, but I think he'd be a terrible James Bond, a terrible Abe Lincoln, etc. Why? Because he's Ben Affleck. That's who he is and what he does.

Showing The Crow instead of Daredevil would have been a plus. The movie's not flawless, but it is much more worth it. And a better comic book adaptation, I might add.
Everyone keeps saying he's a good actor but since he's only ever played Ben Affleck I don't see it. Then again maybe I haven't watched enough Ben Affleck films. I just hope he can stop playing Ben Affleck long enough to pull off Batman well enough.
Well DD is a god awful adaptation as well as a terrible film.
 

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People don't like the Daredevil movie because it spawned the Electra movie. I actually liked the Daredevil movie and I didn't see the director's cut.
 

Drake666

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RJ Dalton said:
Drake666 said:
Yeah, that was a really REALLY weird part in the movie... worst, at that moment, she thinks he's a blind man... who the heck goes around beating blind person to show they're "capable of kicking asses" ? :|
In Hollywood terminology, "strong woman" is synonymous with "borderline psychopath."
That explains a lot of movies/games :|

Lara Croft, Hanna (ok, that's the point), Jane (Johnny Mnemonic), Sarah Conner!
Ripley wants to nuke everything because she's crazy! :p

... Ok, I think I need more caffeine :)
 

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Sgt. Sykes said:
Warachia said:
That movie is the video game in name only, the characters are their characters in name only, on its own merits I don't think it's too bad, but it certainly has nothing to do with the game.
I don't know what's the problem people have with movies not matching the game's plot completely. MP the game's plot is completely tailored for needs of a game: Tons of thugs as ammo fodder, dozens of characters that just appear and then disappear (bosses, 'plot twists') - works fine for the game, but a movie with such a plot would look like some of the worse Uwe Boll's creations.

I'm a fan of the first two MP games (didn't play the 3rd one). At one point I played the first MP game several times a day, when it was the only CD my CD-ROM could read. I tried to beat the New York Minute. What I mean is that I am a fan and I do think the movie makes uses the material very well. I can't imagine a MP movie being MUCH better.

Now, Hitman, for example, that could make a much better movie, but Max Payne, not really.
It might just have been a while since I've played the games, but I definitely don't remember any black winged hallucinogenic skinny Valkyries, or the plot being based entirely around a drug that eventually makes you calm and crazy. This isn't about a movie not matching the games plot, this is about the movie being completely different.
What I find really baffling was the almost complete lack of bullet time in the movie (there might have been some, if there was I don't remember it).

You could certainly have used the resources a lot better, and I think that's what disappointed me the most, and got me to decide it was Max Payne in name only, it had enough shootouts, characters and twists that they just had to pick their favourites of the bunch, instead of going with completely new ones.
 

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Baldry said:
Everyone keeps saying he's a good actor but since he's only ever played Ben Affleck I don't see it. Then again maybe I haven't watched enough Ben Affleck films. I just hope he can stop playing Ben Affleck long enough to pull off Batman well enough.
Well DD is a god awful adaptation as well as a terrible film.
Yeah, the "acting" chops of someone who doesn't really ever change character are kind of...Dubious.
 

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I loved the Daredevil movie, and still do. I would't go out of my way to watch it again as I saw it countless times after getting the Director's Cut DVD but I wouldn't with any supposedly good film from the same year either.

If you haven't seen it; do. But make sure it isn't the version that was cut to make it more "appealing". I think Affleck will pull off a good alternative to Batman, mainly because I think he will make Bruce Wayne far more engaging.
 

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I don't even like Batman, so I don't care. I saw Daredevil too and I can't say I was impressed. Perhaps superhero movies are just inherently bad.
 

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I didn't like Daredevil as a movie, i felt it was too hamfisted, but then again i've never been especially fond of comic books. I didn't like Captain America, i didn't like Iron Man 2, and i didn't like Batman Begins or Dark Knight Rises.

But you know what? With a couple of ales and some popcorn and a quick finger to mute the music that plays during some of Elektra's scenes, Daredevil isn't anywhere near as bad as Green Lantern, Fantastic Four or some of Power Ranger's low points. Plus the Rifftrax for Daredevil is one of my favorites, and i agree, i kind of did like Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin.
 

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I can't believe I didn't know about this show till now, an anti-critic if you will is sorely need and I can't wait to see more. Any chance the Matrix squeals will get defended?
 

MonkeyPunch

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Nope.

This is still and always was, a terrible movie.
The only thing I agree with is that Michael Clarke Duncan was an awesome King Pin... which still doesn't save this movie.

The action scenes are contrived and poorly executed. Whilst Affleck is a decent actor he doesn't fit the role at all. The styling they've given him in his lawyer persona is unfitting.
Colin Farrell plays Bullseye too over the top to fit in with the rest of the movie. (and just on the side, just because one actor manages to pull off something which isn't "normal" for the role (Bane) doesn't automatically make another actors attempt good - ie. Just because it worked with Bane means it must be OK for Bullseye. Nied.) The costumes are all pretty damn weak. The movie drags on in places to the point of despair. The movie overall is totally inconsistent from the pacing, visual style to the story and acting.
The story is extremely boring and again poorly executed. The CG is just awful. Even for the time.
Think that's about it.
 

talideon

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"Colleen Farrell"? Who's that? Did Colin Farrell undergo gender reassignment surgery recently?
 

conanthegamer

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Overall the movie isn't bad. The only complaint I have about it is that it moves way to fast. A typical problem in Hollywood movies. They try and squeeze too much into a hour and a half movie.
 

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The movie had *terrible* use of CGI, Electra had hilariously bad motivations and the ending was really unclimactic.

But none of these problems are Ben's fault. So... yeah. Right on.
 

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I saw a friend of mine the other day and said.
"Did you hear that Ben Affleck is going to be the new batman?"
(This was before I had heard all the rage on the internet)
And he said
"Yeah, it's going to suck, he ruined Daredevil"
Which puzzled me because I remembered Daredevil being below average, but watchable and that Ben Affleck's performance was one of the better parts of that show (If anything Jennifer Garner was the worst part of Daredevil)

I respond with
"Well he's a good actor, remember Argo?"
And he said... I kid you not
"He sucked in Argo"

The internet is a weird place
Will he suck as batman? I don't know, but a lot of people seem to think that. But suddenly because of that he was never good... What the fuck guys?
 

Oskuro

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I just recently watched Daredevil (Director's Cut), and it isn't a bad movie at all. It has weak spots (specially the forced Elektra/Bullseye subplot, even if the characters themselves where fun to watch), but it is a very sit-throughable movie, and it has a lot of love for the character and setting (Heck, besides the obligatory Stan Lee cameo, there are cameos by Frank Miller and Kevin Smith!).

My experience with daredevil is brief (mostly the original comics through Excelsior re-prints), but the movie I feel captures the character correctly. And it is visually interesting, particularly the "sound vision" and how they play with it.


My main gripe? Elektra and Bullseye shouldn't have been in the movie. Bullseye is fun, and Elektra's flirting with Daredevil is fun too, but they are underdeveloped, and steal the focus away from what should be a Daredevil vs Kingping movie.


One thing I realized, though, is this: Ben Affleck will be awesome as Batman, because he has already played Batman.

No, seriously, this movie is a Batman movie. The visuals, the tone, the duality of DareDevil / Matt Murdock, him being a mostly normal human, the focus on fighting crime motivated by the murder of his relatives.

Just extend the scope (from Hell's Kitchen to the entirety of Gotham), change the costume, switch the sonar sense with Wayne's money... Heck, he even has a pseudo-gothic "bat cave" with his gadgets and costumes.


I had my doubts, but this movie convinced me, Affleck will be a great Batman, and now I have a reason to look up to the impending disaster that the Batman vs Superman movie is bound to be.