Did Hook really need defending? I applaud the video for feeding my nostalgia but think you guys should step out on the thinner ice of defending the other Robin Williams movie Toys.
Movie Defense Force: Hook
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Really? To me that is one of the best scenes in the entire film. Hook is a broken man A man with nothing left but his vengence and then he discovers that the enemy he has spent his entire life plotting to defeat has in fact moved on and forgotten all about him He has NOTHING.SnowWookie said:
He'd been trying to off himself for years up to that point but this is it he really would have killed himself is Smee hadn't stepped in.
in my opinion, the critics lambasting it some twenty two years ago would have given it high praise if only they could see the dross that comes out of theaters nowadays.
It's kind of hard to defend a movie... when you're one. Still loved that shit, all I could remember is that stared Robin Williams.
"Great" and "Love" are a bit much, but it surprises me that this isn't better liked than it appears to be. I remember critics bashing it at the time for its use of actors and budget or something like that, but it came off as snobbish, even to my 11 year old self.Trucken said:
It doesn't work.
Yeah, much of what Sterling says is true. The set and prop and costume design is all terrific. Hoffman does a really good Hook, and Hoskins does a terrific Shmee. Williams I can take or leave, and I can see why people would feel either way, but that leaves me free to say that it wasn't a bad performance. I feel much the same way about Roberts, though her character's whole presence seems kind of perfunctory; a third hand stapled on during later surgery because for some reason we had to have Tinkerbell.
But on an underlying level, it just doesn't work. When you have people throwing pies on one plane and getting into utterly real and lethal sword battles on another plane of the same fight- seriously, f@$% whatever kind of so-called "whimsy" that allows anyone to witness that and not go "what the hell is wrong with you people?!" It. Does. Not. Work.
Barrie's Peter Pan and Captain Hook were locked into an eternal struggle that worked because they were something like mythical archetypes, dream-shadows of childhood- the evil pirate versus the mischevious, never-aging trickster. Even the maiming that gave Hook his hook was something that happened long-ago, somewhere offstage. It was a backdrop that allowed stereotypical Indians, fairies, pirates, and man-eating crocodiles that pursued their quarries across the ocean to co-exist without a second glance.
Hook tries to extend that sense of disbelief to "logical" real-world conclusions and falters.
Yeah, much of what Sterling says is true. The set and prop and costume design is all terrific. Hoffman does a really good Hook, and Hoskins does a terrific Shmee. Williams I can take or leave, and I can see why people would feel either way, but that leaves me free to say that it wasn't a bad performance. I feel much the same way about Roberts, though her character's whole presence seems kind of perfunctory; a third hand stapled on during later surgery because for some reason we had to have Tinkerbell.
But on an underlying level, it just doesn't work. When you have people throwing pies on one plane and getting into utterly real and lethal sword battles on another plane of the same fight- seriously, f@$% whatever kind of so-called "whimsy" that allows anyone to witness that and not go "what the hell is wrong with you people?!" It. Does. Not. Work.
Barrie's Peter Pan and Captain Hook were locked into an eternal struggle that worked because they were something like mythical archetypes, dream-shadows of childhood- the evil pirate versus the mischevious, never-aging trickster. Even the maiming that gave Hook his hook was something that happened long-ago, somewhere offstage. It was a backdrop that allowed stereotypical Indians, fairies, pirates, and man-eating crocodiles that pursued their quarries across the ocean to co-exist without a second glance.
Hook tries to extend that sense of disbelief to "logical" real-world conclusions and falters.
Likewise. And then I had it on VHS. And I think between those two points I had rented it. Well, my family did, I mean. on account of my age at the time.Hoplon said:
I also have it on DVD.
I honestly didn't know that this movie was looked ill upon. I freakin' love Hook and Hoffman's portrayal of the titular captain is, in my mind, the go-to template for the character.
Yeah I wasn't overly fond of Roberts as Tinkerbell, but I'm not overly fond of anything Julia Roberts does so I can't really blame Hook for that.
Hell, if I'm being perfectly honest I think Rufio's is quite possibly one of the more powerful on screen death's of my childhood. Bambi's mom and Old Yeller be damned.
As for where I was...I was 11 years old at the time, back off!
Yeah I wasn't overly fond of Roberts as Tinkerbell, but I'm not overly fond of anything Julia Roberts does so I can't really blame Hook for that.
Hell, if I'm being perfectly honest I think Rufio's is quite possibly one of the more powerful on screen death's of my childhood. Bambi's mom and Old Yeller be damned.
As for where I was...I was 11 years old at the time, back off!
I was going to say, the fact that critics didn't like this movie rather surprised me. I watched this movie a few times growing up and I really liked it. 
...Post number 20...It took...19 goddamned posts...for someone to finally mention Rufio...Escapist, I am disappoint.Saidan said:
And SHAME on you, Mr. Sterling, for having the golden opportunity of mentioning the red-feathered-hair gloriousness that is Rufio and completely ignoring it! For shame, Mr. Sterling; FOR SHAAAAAME!
Also, I loved numerous parts of this movie, especially the imaginary dinner and the sword fights. A lot of it was really silly, though; still, it's quite an enjoyable little flick. Like many, I couldn't believe it needed defending. Great vid.
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This movie is glorious. Everyone I've talked to about it had nothing but bad things to say, so its nice to see Jim come to its defense.
This movie is glorious. Everyone I've talked to about it had nothing but bad things to say, so its nice to see Jim come to its defense.
this was one of those films i watched over and over again as a kid. i love the fights scenes between the pirates and lost boys. i cried everytime rufioh was died, even though i knew it was coming. i loved the world they built.
i never caught onto the "adult" things until years later (for obvious reasons), but when i was old enough to understandthe things like Peter's negligence (that he lost sight of what was important because he was busy, not because he didn't care) or Hook's dissatisfaction with himself, it made the movie a million times better. the poor reviews are a testament to the 90s not being all that great.
i never caught onto the "adult" things until years later (for obvious reasons), but when i was old enough to understandthe things like Peter's negligence (that he lost sight of what was important because he was busy, not because he didn't care) or Hook's dissatisfaction with himself, it made the movie a million times better. the poor reviews are a testament to the 90s not being all that great.
It is just asinine that anyone would think HOOK was a bad movie. It's still freaking amazing because of Spielberg, and he knows that the best kids movies are the ones that are still fun to watch as an adult. And Smee? I remember that and the ladies love them some Smee! I forgot about Captain Hook attempting to blow his own brains out, but I remember the tic-tock croc, being turned into a clock.