Movie Defense Force: Transformers
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Ehhh... honestly the first bayformers movie didn't particularly offend or annoy me, but I saw it and just a few years later I can barely remember any of it, the action and story wasn't particularly interesting to me, or at the least, it certainly didn't stick with me, maybe that's too much to ask for, but if it doesn't work for me on even a popcorn action movie level then what good is it?
And yeah, if you do somehow manage to defend the second bayformers movie then I'ma be pissed, that took the racist and sexist undertones that the first had in a smaller capacity and turned them up to eleven, throwing in offence or annoyance whenever it could, and I don't accept that it was shitty just because of the writer's strike, that's an excuse you can't really lean on in defence of the final product.
And yeah, if you do somehow manage to defend the second bayformers movie then I'ma be pissed, that took the racist and sexist undertones that the first had in a smaller capacity and turned them up to eleven, throwing in offence or annoyance whenever it could, and I don't accept that it was shitty just because of the writer's strike, that's an excuse you can't really lean on in defence of the final product.
Saw the first and second at the theater, the first one was alright but the second... That marked the first time I ever had to leave the theater for a bit to not watch a scene. I didn't see the third due to hating the second.
From the cartoons, I was always more attached to the beast wars series till they got to cybertron(been a while, I think that's the planet's name).
From the cartoons, I was always more attached to the beast wars series till they got to cybertron(been a while, I think that's the planet's name).
Not to mention that Megatron, or in the first movie Galvatron, tried to take out Unicron when he got the Matrix. Megatron/Galvatron's loyalty is only to himself really. Hell even in Energon (my least favorite TF series ever), Megatron tried to control Unicron, only to find out that Unicron was just using him as a puppet.arc1991 said:
For me I'm a huge Transformers fan as well and I don't mind the second movie, but RoTF was just utter crap and Dark Moon was really meh if you ask me.
As someone who had almost zero contact with the Transformers brand prior to seeing Bayformers... I actually quite enjoyed it. Yeah it's dumb fun, but that can still be fun when you're in the right mood. My only real problem with it is that I preferred Bumblebee's original Camero model over the new one... Then again, I'd have rather he been the beetle to begin with.
This time, Jim has truly crossed the line. I'm beginning to think he's a Hollywood plant paid to promote dreck in a lame attempt to stop the decline in ticket sales.Jimothy Sterling said:
For a brief moment I thought this was going to be the Animated Transformers movie, bullet dodged on that one.
The first Transformers movie isn't actually that bad (7 full priced ticket viewings make me a fan or masochist, take your pick) and over all was enjoyable; Revenge of the Fallen, good luck defending that steaming pile, is truly what soured the experience for me; it was fucking awful.
The first Transformers movie isn't actually that bad (7 full priced ticket viewings make me a fan or masochist, take your pick) and over all was enjoyable; Revenge of the Fallen, good luck defending that steaming pile, is truly what soured the experience for me; it was fucking awful.
Ditto on liking the movie. I watched the original animated Transformers series and the original animated movie when I was young but didn't watch any of the stuff made after it.arc1991 said:
I enjoyed Transformers for it's own sake. I had no preconceptions and was impressed that CGI had advanced sufficiently for ANY live action Transformers to be made. I've got a copy and I watched it repeatedly years ago--though seeing this MDF video reminds me that it's been so long since I watched it that I could pull it out and see it fresh.
I enjoyed RoTF somewhat, though it was a step down. Haven't seen the 3rd movie but I expect I'll buy it on DVD.
I know Movie Bob detests it but while I've enjoyed several movies he suggested it is PAINFULLY clear that his bias against certain directors--Michael Bay and JJ Abrahms especially--negates his professional objectivity towards their work. When they come up I always (and with 100% accuracy to date) expect Bob's dark side--Fanboy Bob--to take over and Sith all over the place.
Rotten Tomatoes gives Transformers a mere 57% Official Review score but an audience review score of 89%. The professional critics seem to not grok what regular people enjoy.
Adjusted for inflation it made $368,432,400 at the box office (with a production cost of $150 million) and even more from sales of the DVDs.
Hrrmmmm, apparently a 'betrayed' fan base doesn't determine a movie's success. Go figure... <_<
While I don't agree with every point you made, Jim, I do agree that Transformers isn't NEARLY as bad as alot of people make it out to be. I enjoyed it at the time. At the very least, it's objectively the best of the trilogy.
My biggest problem with the first Transformers movie is that after that opening scene with the helicopter the next 45 minutes is BORING AS ALL FUCK and then shit starts blowing up. It didn't ruin my childhood because I was just that little too young to really care about Transformers. I waited to see this movie until it was on DVD and I almost got up and walked off before the action started because I was bored to tears by all the bullshit that was going on. I found all of the human characters completely unlikeable was hoping most of them would die by the end. I've never watched either of the others because of this.
This literally seems to be a formula that Michael Bay follows when he makes movies, the first half is boring and the second half seems infinitely more interesting after that because of all the explosions. Look at Armageddon and Pearl Harbor as other examples of this.
This literally seems to be a formula that Michael Bay follows when he makes movies, the first half is boring and the second half seems infinitely more interesting after that because of all the explosions. Look at Armageddon and Pearl Harbor as other examples of this.
Moviebob already did that..."The Last Airbender" tries to do too much in too little time.comadorcrack said:
Transformers never had much from the start and required both sides to dumber then a bag of hammers for the plot to work.
Thanks to their environments Venus and Jupiter were ready made power sources that could have been bled dry with little interference. Or given how advanced the Transformers were they never seemed to even grasped concepts like solar or fusion power much less scifi ideas like antimatter power.
Then you had the ever growing number of characters which got to the point that no one was really being developed.
The Beast Wars-Beast Machines retooling fixed many of the issues and IMHO were light years better then the preceding series.
The movie fixes some problems while creating others that STILL manage put the characters into the dumber then a bag of hammers category.
I actually enjoyed all three films. Granted I hate most of the human characters in it, especially the "funny" ones like that Asian guy in the third (seriously, what the fuck?) but I genuinely think they're good entertainment.
Honestly I just think the whole "don't touch my childhood cartoons" thing is pretty...well...childish.
Looking forward to the Turtles just because!
Oh and the whole racist thing? Give it a rest, the guy did fucking Bad Boys...
Honestly I just think the whole "don't touch my childhood cartoons" thing is pretty...well...childish.
Looking forward to the Turtles just because!
Oh and the whole racist thing? Give it a rest, the guy did fucking Bad Boys...
His presence was annoying, but became fully justified when Laserbeak threw him out of the window; that was funny as hell.Caffeine_Bombed said:
Personally, I think the two best things that have come out of Bay's Transformers is Transformers Prime and the rifftrax commentaries of the movies. While yeah, the original is probably the least bad of the three, it's still kinda bad. I'll be honest, it was better than I expected, but I was expecting it to be much, much worse. And yeah, I grew up and loved the original Transformers show, I can still take off the nostalgia goggle and admit that the original show kinda sucked. It's actually pretty hard for me to sit through most of those 80's cartoons all the way that I used to wake up early for in my youth. So yeah, Bay's Transformers is pretty bad.
I thought the big army vehicle guy was supposed to be Bulkhead.arc1991 said:*Sigh*
The first film and DOTM are, for me (being a transformer fan), great ROTF is crap, but the action scenes are some of the best. It's just another TF continutiy, not the best mind you, but i would take this over the godly amount of animation errors in G1 any day!
Personally i can't wait for TF4...Hound is confirmed!...MOTHERFUKING HOUND!
Hound is the big army vehicle, Bumblebee is the black camero (more representing his Prime Beast Hunters self) and apparently the other 2 cars are Blurr (The blue Buggati), and Drift, Prime is obvious...
Transformers is one of those movies I can watch the final act of again and again, but hate slogging through the rest of it. I kind of go against orthodoxy by saying it's problems stem from being too much like the old cartoon: that is, a one dimensional good vs evil fight between the ultimate good guy, the ultimate bad guy, and their armies of characters that get just enough screen time and stereotyped personality to go "buy the action figure and don't notice it's the exact same one you already have in different colored plastic." I even forgive the all maguffin spark as in a level of hindsight, energon and a fight for energy resources makes more sense when you are younger and unaware of renewables.
But we grew up with this mythos in our head that Jazz was somehow something more than someone that spoke jive and had big speakers, or that prowl had any personality at all and didn't like a reminder that, yeah, they were mostly very one dimensional origianlly.
Doesn't make it a great movie, but nostalgia blinders off, I've forgiven far worse.
But we grew up with this mythos in our head that Jazz was somehow something more than someone that spoke jive and had big speakers, or that prowl had any personality at all and didn't like a reminder that, yeah, they were mostly very one dimensional origianlly.
Doesn't make it a great movie, but nostalgia blinders off, I've forgiven far worse.
I can't get angry at the movie for being different than the cartoon, because I am an ACTUAL transformers fan, rather than someone who just wants a 2hr long cartoon.
I grew up with it in the 80s. I watched it as faithfully as anyone.
I watched the movie during its original theatrical run as a ten-year old boy, watching my favorites get destroyed and killed just to divorce the line from its Diaclone roots and sell new toys[/b]. You think Bayformers can kill your childhood? I watched Optimus Prime die AFTER watching Megatron, Starscream, and the Constructicons murder Prowl, Ratchet, Brawn, and Ironhide in terribly horrific [and awesome] fashion.
I watched Beast Wars, and then later, Beast Machines, with the alterations to the continuity simply to tie it all together.
I watched the Japanese-made RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron... and then the American produced Animated.
I've seen Transformers in multiple configurations, good AND bad. Sometimes REALLY bad. HORRIBLY bad.
I will say this, with absolute authority and conviction.
If you think the Transformers movies are the worst thing in the franchise, then you have absolutely no knowledge of the franchise and your opinion is not informed enough to make this determination.
I mean... KISS Players. Come on.
I grew up with it in the 80s. I watched it as faithfully as anyone.
I watched the movie during its original theatrical run as a ten-year old boy, watching my favorites get destroyed and killed just to divorce the line from its Diaclone roots and sell new toys[/b]. You think Bayformers can kill your childhood? I watched Optimus Prime die AFTER watching Megatron, Starscream, and the Constructicons murder Prowl, Ratchet, Brawn, and Ironhide in terribly horrific [and awesome] fashion.
I watched Beast Wars, and then later, Beast Machines, with the alterations to the continuity simply to tie it all together.
I watched the Japanese-made RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron... and then the American produced Animated.
I've seen Transformers in multiple configurations, good AND bad. Sometimes REALLY bad. HORRIBLY bad.
I will say this, with absolute authority and conviction.
If you think the Transformers movies are the worst thing in the franchise, then you have absolutely no knowledge of the franchise and your opinion is not informed enough to make this determination.
I mean... KISS Players. Come on.
