Moving pictures will never be accepted as an art form

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Even if your story is the best in the world, even if your dialogue would put Shakespeare to shame, even if your cinematography is beautiful and mystical, your moving picture isn't going to be called art outside of the movie community. You want to know why? It's the "MOVING PICTURE" part of a MOVING PICTURE. You know, the part where you spend hours watching flashing light up on a big screen. Why is this a dooming quality? Because it could effectively be replaced by words in a book, and only bests literature in its ability to sell shit. "But, you filthy, dirt encrusted dog whose name I don't dare speak lest it soil my soul," I hear you spit from the corner of your mouth as you try to comprehend talking to someone so utterly disgusting and morally bankrupt, "A lot of art is just corporate bollocks! Some great works of art don't send us a window into the artists soul. Think of Andy Warhol. His art was just fucking soup cans!" And so you sit back on your throne of moral superioty, having won the day.
Or so you think. But first off, Andy Warhol was a load of shit between to shits on a shit sandwich, (so I basically included them just to get a dig in,) and all those other pointless bits of art are just advertisements because that's what they are supposed to be. They are selling a culture of buying and selling, so to speak. Whereas all of the moving pictures in movies could be replaced by words on a page. oh, sure, some moving pictures will be art, but they won't be movies. They'll be dreary explorations of angst, probably made in France, and your only purpose for watching is to "make you feel his pain." But they won't be called movies, oh no. They'll be called "films" or some such crap. So don't delude yourself. No moving picture is going to come along and redefine art and movies as we know it. movies will never be accepted.

Now, I'm not just here to get beaten up and have my lunch money stolen, and you're not just here to beat me up and steal my lunch money! Your job, escapists, is to engineer a likely scenario in which movies will be accepted. LIKELY! REALISTIC! KEY WORDS, PEOPLE! Or, failing that, just comment on what I've written. I'm just as depressed as you aren't, and I want you to pull me out of my funk. I apologize for my massive case of not being able to learn from the past.
 

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I think Movies are definitely accepted by pretty much everyone as an Art form. I kinda had trouble understanding everything you were saying in your rant though. Do you just a bone to pick with the Art Community? Because nobody is discriminating against movies anymore


Edit: This makes a lot more sense once I had this thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.308367-Games-will-never-be-accepted-as-an-art-form?page=1] pointed out to me. Good job, normally I'm on the ball about catching these parodies/juxtaposition thread's
 

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Ha ha, good retort. Someone please do one about those new fangled things called "novels". Classical Hellenist theatre is the only true avenue for artistic expression.
 

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Bull. Shit. Words on a page could replace the images M or Nosferatu or The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari or Brazil or Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World like I could fill in for Gene Hoglan at a Strapping Young Lad show; sure, I know how to play the songs, but I can't do it very well. At a certain point the visuals of a movie cease to be just flickering images and they become a form of visual art. Saying you could replace a movie with a book is like saying you could replace a painting with a book.
EDIT: Yeah, I knew this was a parody - I was agreeing him, and trying to put my own take in on the topic of movies being considered art.
 

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Uh... what? Where did this come from?

Lionsfan said:
I think Movies are definitely accepted by pretty much everyone as an Art form. I kinda had trouble understanding everything you were saying in your rant though. Do you just a bone to pick with the Art Community? Because nobody is discriminating against movies anymore
^^Pretty much this. No one says movies aren't art.

...Are you trying to talk about games and just forgetting to mention them?
 

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...What the hell was this in response to? I get that you're trying to be satirical or parody something, but someone's gotta give me the context here.
 

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I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke or not. As far as I know movies are accepted as an art form, and have been for quite some time now. For, like, decades.
 

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Too all the people, this a retort to a thread created today called "video games will never be accepted as an art form" and a good one at that. My hat is off to you sir
 

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For all those who are confused at this, http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.308367-Games-will-never-be-accepted-as-an-art-form?page=1
 

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Lionsfan said:
I think Movies are definitely accepted by pretty much everyone as an Art form. I kinda had trouble understanding everything you were saying in your rant though. Do you just a bone to pick with the Art Community? Because nobody is discriminating against movies anymore
thefrizzlefry said:
Bull. Shit. Words on a page could replace the images M or Nosferatu or The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari or Brazil or Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World like I could fill in for Gene Hoglan at a Strapping Young Lad show; sure, I know how to play the songs, but I can't do it very well. At a certain point the visuals of a movie cease to be just flickering images and they become a form of visual art. Saying you could replace a movie with a book is like saying you could replace a painting with a book.
Um, guys... this is a parody.

The OP's point is that, a hundred years ago people were saying that about movies.

Today, movies are not only considered art by pretty much everyone, they're one of the most powerful and best viewed forms of art in the world.

A century from not (or less) no one will even question that video games are art. Video games will have long since become considered art, and something new will be getting that same argument.
 

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2012 Wont Happen said:
Even if your story is the best in the world, even if your dialogue would put Shakespeare to shame, even if your cinematography is beautiful and mystical, your moving picture isn't going to be called art outside of the movie community. You want to know why? It's the "MOVING PICTURE" part of a MOVING PICTURE. You know, the part where you spend hours watching flashing light up on a big screen. Why is this a dooming quality? Because it could effectively be replaced by words in a book, and only bests literature in its ability to sell shit. "But, you filthy, dirt encrusted dog whose name I don't dare speak lest it soil my soul," I hear you spit from the corner of your mouth as you try to comprehend talking to someone so utterly disgusting and morally bankrupt, "A lot of art is just corporate bollocks! Some great works of art don't send us a window into the artists soul. Think of Andy Warhol. His art was just fucking soup cans!" And so you sit back on your throne of moral superioty, having won the day.
Or so you think. But first off, Andy Warhol was a load of shit between to shits on a shit sandwich, (so I basically included them just to get a dig in,) and all those other pointless bits of art are just advertisements because that's what they are supposed to be. They are selling a culture of buying and selling, so to speak. Whereas all of the moving pictures in movies could be replaced by words on a page. oh, sure, some moving pictures will be art, but they won't be movies. They'll be dreary explorations of angst, probably made in France, and your only purpose for watching is to "make you feel his pain." But they won't be called movies, oh no. They'll be called "films" or some such crap. So don't delude yourself. No moving picture is going to come along and redefine art and movies as we know it. movies will never be accepted.

Now, I'm not just here to get beaten up and have my lunch money stolen, and you're not just here to beat me up and steal my lunch money! Your job, escapists, is to engineer a likely scenario in which movies will be accepted. LIKELY! REALISTIC! KEY WORDS, PEOPLE! Or, failing that, just comment on what I've written. I'm just as depressed as you aren't, and I want you to pull me out of my funk. I apologize for my massive case of not being able to learn from the past.



Well played sir :p
 

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Movies have always been accepted for years as artwork. And I fail to see what your are trying so say.
 

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siffty said:
Movies have always been accepted for years as artwork. And I fail to see what your are trying so say.
Maybe you would, if you'd spend the time you used to copy that meme-picture-link to actually read the posts beyond the first one.

It is a response to a gaming-related post.
 

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Princess Rose said:
Um, guys... this is a parody.
Tesral said:
For all those who are confused at this, http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.308367-Games-will-never-be-accepted-as-an-art-form?page=1
Ok that thread makes a lot of sense of this one. I missed the last thread so I didn't know what the hell was going on here, thanks for clearing this up.


Now that I'm on the same page I see where the OP went with this, and he did a nice job of it
 

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There is no limit to what could or couldn't be art, because art is creative, and therefore has no guidelines or rules. So long as something is trying to be art, it can be, that doesn't it's good, but it can still be art.
 

Pandaman1911

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Here's something for you.
Art is subjective.
What's art to one isn't to another.
Therefore, movies can never be art... to you.
Can't change the way you think. Sorry.

-Edit-
Oh dear, I've gone and missed some satire again. Didn't have the background for this to see that it was actually a joke, sorry.
...I still stand by my defense that art is subjective.
 
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Haha, not just at the OP, but the confusion that everyone too lazy to read the other comments before posting. Your repetitive responses to this thread prove his point about the other thread he's responding too. In fact, probably none of you actually read the OP either.
 

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This thread amuses me greatly.

Excellent parody reply OP and the replies who don't get it only add to the value.

I consider this thread to provide the most entertainment for your view out of all threads today. Watch it now!
 

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This is amazing. The most appropriate argument against people who say that Games will never be an accepted art form.

Thank you.
 

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Princess Rose said:
thefrizzlefry said:
Bull. Shit. Words on a page could replace the images M or Nosferatu or The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari or Brazil or Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World like I could fill in for Gene Hoglan at a Strapping Young Lad show; sure, I know how to play the songs, but I can't do it very well. At a certain point the visuals of a movie cease to be just flickering images and they become a form of visual art. Saying you could replace a movie with a book is like saying you could replace a painting with a book.
Um, guys... this is a parody.

The OP's point is that, a hundred years ago people were saying that about movies.

Today, movies are not only considered art by pretty much everyone, they're one of the most powerful and best viewed forms of art in the world.

A century from not (or less) no one will even question that video games are art. Video games will have long since become considered art, and something new will be getting that same argument.
No, I got that it was a parody - I was agreeing with the ultimate message of the post, but presenting it without irony.