Moving the New 360 Can Damage Disks

The Grim Ace

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Seeing how I live in a state with a tendency for earthquakes (we had a 5.7 earlier this week) and seeing how my friend's copy of AC2 was damaged during a 4.7 on his chunky xbox, I am now blandly apprehensive at throwing any money Microsoft's way if they can't fix such a basic design flaw. Now if this console actually fixes the RROD then maybe I'll look the other way on this whole disc issue.
 

Jsnoopy

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brandon237 said:
Hmm, my ps2 can be dropped on its ageing head with a game running without this nonsense. I suspect Microsoft didn't work very hard on the slim...
1. I suspect that literally dropping the PS2 on its head while running a game would actually damage the disk, or if not, then at least the machine lol.
2. The PS2 also spins the disk much, much slower than the 360 drive
 

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Jsnoopy said:
brandon237 said:
Hmm, my ps2 can be dropped on its ageing head with a game running without this nonsense. I suspect Microsoft didn't work very hard on the slim...
1. I suspect that literally dropping the PS2 on its head while running a game would actually damage the disk, or if not, then at least the machine lol.
2. The PS2 also spins the disk much, much slower than the 360 drive
No, no damage, and it is the ps2 slim. It has actually been dropped over and over and over. PS2s are resilient, my one friend removed half the internal components after:

His evil cousin -Alpa - dropped it into a pool.
Threw it off a balcony
filled the insides of the disc holder with chocolate pudding before attempting to run a game.

And the piece of junk still works... about half the time anyway.
 

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Not his fault? On what planet?
On the planet where , as you said, the Xbox has a faster spinning drive than any other system. It would be entirely his fault if he, say, picked it up and started rattling it around. I say it was only partly his fault because he did the (not out-of-the-ordinary) action of turning it a way that is entirely logical to do so.

When you've been dealing with consoles like the Wii, it's probably hard to remember that the Xbox slim isn't as sturdy (?).
 

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Enemy Of The State said:
Will it kill the console or just the disc?
Generally just the disc. The drives themselves are pretty resilient. There's always the possibility that a particularly bad bump could cause the disc to damage the drive optics though, or possibly shatter the disc entirely (especially if it was already damaged in some way), which would require a replacement drive.
 

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That is something you don't do with any console!
Besides before I play my games I download them to my hard drive, I'm pretty sure it's easier on the discs.
 

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WilliamRLBaker said:
the 12x dvd in the 360 runs at near 8000rpm, a 2x bluray drive runs at near 2000rpm.

I've seen the destructoid video, When someone ignores a big green don't move sticker, waits for the system to reach max rpm, then sharply upturns it and even wobbles it a little then you are going to damage a disc.

Since we are comparing, A ps3 with only 2000 rpm is likely not going to cause such a problem but if you were to disrupt the gyroscopic balance then even the ps3 could leave scuffs on disc *though blueray is far more scratch resistant* and PC's well let alone that pc's are huge if you were to get a pc with a 12x or even 16x dvd drive and wobble it around and move it around then it would likely do the same.
2x, 16x, 48x doesn't matter...the Angular Momentum of a DVD (12cm diamter, 15g weight) at 8000rpm is below 225 µJs (I calculated the worst case...assuming all the mass is concentrated at the rim of the DVD instead of distributed evenly across the whole area...easier math...). Turning that without damaging the disc should be a nobrainer...

Hopeless Bastard said:
Piflik said:
Do you really want that the devices you buy are not tested on their heat management? In that case I can cobble together a really cheap XBox especially for you...50$...but I don't guarantee working condition outside of a freezer...

I am not arguing, that it is generally a bad idea to turn your console during playing, but with a little bit of efford, Micro could have eliminated that issue...but as long as the consumer doesn't expect to get value for his money, there is no need for them to refrain from selling inferior hardware...why should Micro want to make $2.49 less profit per console if they don't need to...
They tested it and chose to leave it as with a lower ambient temperature ceiling rather than reduce performance. If you don't understand the concept of "ambient temperature ceiling," or how "small" variations in a room's temperature can exponentially increase operating temperatures, you might want to tap out of this subject.

Even the absolute best portable disc systems, whether it be personal, vehicular, or otherwise, will fuck discs up. Simply because there is no way to "correct" the "issue" of inertia. Such isssues are generally referred to as "laws of physics."

Complaining about this, acting like its news, whatever, is just saying "microsoft fails to protect people from being stupid."
Again...I know my way around inertia...and 70°F is not an acceptable ceiling for ambient temperature...95°F is a perfectly normal ambient temperature to operate electrical devices...now normal people might have better things to do at 95°F, but gamers?
 

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Ohh please, this just the world?s worst running gag, why won't it die?

If I was to try and make some soup in a bowl by using a microwave, what would you expect to happen if I tried to pick up said microwave and shake it around for a minute? How is this not yet common sense? Spiny disk go round and round very fast, spiny disk marked easily. I feel like Microsoft should have gone for a clear case instead of black, just to show the tossers who still haven't been taken to one side and told that it's not magic pixies which operate the console, gently caressing the disk in an almost erotic manner, but an optical drive!

And there's a sticker on the front? I think the question should be how the editor-in-chief of Destructoid, a person I assume should have some basic grasp of English (As his job title suggests), doesn't know how to read a bloody label!

/Rant.

I had a friend actually damage one of my disks which I'd lent him because the console was moved. I accepted it was a mistake and moved on, he even went out of his way to purchase me another before telling me the original was now unreadable.
But I'm going to ask, why? Why would you want to move the console with a disk of some description in, when you are presumably trying to play/watch whatever is in it! I find it hard to imagine you attaching the TV to your chest, with the console taped to your back, being followed by a few dozen metres of extension lead, so what could make you lose all rational thought and make you move something which is that fragile, when it's still in operation and spinning at however many thousand revs.If you idiotic enough to do something like this & then make a complaint of it, then you should just get on to the nearest shooter and start spurting abuse at whoever kills you because you must be another spoilt thirteen year old whiner.


Well, /rant, and I mean it.
 

ToxinArrow

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People are bitching about this?

News flash people: Moving ANY machine while a plastic disk is spinning inside at several thousand rotations per minute will fuck it up eventually.
 

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I say this has win written all over it. If you don't have the common sense not to move your console WHILE the disc is spinning, you deserve to have it carved. Not to mention the likely more pricey damage to the lens.
 

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Is there any reason as to why you should move your 360 while a game is loaded?
 

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joshuaayt said:
I heard children play with this console every now and then. Imagine this scenario, Microsoft- quite common. A child is playing a game, using a wired controller. Maybe it ran out of batteries, and he wants to play it while it is charging, or something silly.
So, he's sitting on his bed. Uh oh! the cord is too short.
Well, he says, surely I can simply move the big noisy machine just a leetle bit closer to... to... what's that noise?
Grind, chew, broken, mommy and daddy break up due to financial difficulties resulting from child's attempt to replace the device. Typical ending to a typical story.
I'm not suggesting you spend all of your money making some revolutionary disc stabilising mechanism, but it has to be possible to find a way to allow for slight shifting.
You can't be serious. You don't ring a disc from scooting the damn machine closer or further. Its the fuckwits who decide "THIS WOULD BE BETTER STANDING UP" in the middle of a game.
 

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CaptainCrunch said:
Hell, why don't they just make a console with a magazine-style disc changer built-in? That would totally rule!
Forgive me for my ignorance: I presume you're talking about something that lets you have multiple disks inside the console at a time, similar to how cars these days can hold up to 6 CDs?

I can forsee a slight size problem implementing such a system, especially with caddies (which, for all their awesomeness, are slightly bulky.) Still, it would be very awesome :)
 

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This is a rule for all consoles and computers even. I moved my external CD drive in the same way and it made some awful noise, but the CD stopped spinning and it was fine... (And I'm not about to test that out on my desktop).
 

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scotth266 said:
CaptainCrunch said:
Hell, why don't they just make a console with a magazine-style disc changer built-in? That would totally rule!
Forgive me for my ignorance: I presume you're talking about something that lets you have multiple disks inside the console at a time, similar to how cars these days can hold up to 6 CDs?

I can forsee a slight size problem implementing such a system, especially with caddies (which, for all their awesomeness, are slightly bulky.) Still, it would be very awesome :)
Given the bulk of a PS3 "fat" is mostly airspace and mounting hardware, I think with clever engineering a console about the size of a standard 360 could have a 5/6 disc changer without sacrificing too much in other aspects. They even could offer it as an add-on for lazy enthusiasts, like the HD-DVD attachment.

I mostly just like the idea of switching from MW2 to play some Nazi Zombies or Fallout 3 without getting up to switch the disks.
 

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dekkarax said:
VanityGirl said:
Isn't this a rule for erm... all consoles? I mean I've never moved my Wii, 360 or PS3 because it just seemed like a bad idea to move it with a disk in it.
Nope, I've had my old PS1 fall a couple of feet, and the disk was fine.
Odd, because I moved my PS2 once from an upright to side position and heard a "buzz".
Dead disk.

That's why I won't move my PS3, Wii or 360. The general knowledge is to not move any of your consoles or DVD/BluRay players.