MW3 Minor Spoiler, (A Death scene)

[Jegsimmons]

and i respect your opinion on liking the game too.

But i feel that they have failed on both ends, besides the fact it's not remotely as emotional as cod finest hour or big red one which had great side characters and a very nice story, simple, but nice. The current ones are michael bay films which top them selves every game to the point of being really stupid and necessary.

and on the weapons side....yeah they dont get those right either. (exaples: silencers dont work like that, 50 cals cant be fired from the shoulder, the Ak-74u is an ASSUALT RIFLE not an smg, and the Desert eagle isn't used by any police or military force for being inconvenient, and they CONSTANTLY mess up between an m4a1 and an m4 carbine. also the fact a mounted 50 kills in one shot but a Barrett takes at least two always bothers me. at least be like Battlefield and have weapon consistency.)

Well, a lot of that has to be chalked up to weapon balance. And if you mean the Barrett sniper, it can kill in 1 shot. Just aim for the upper torso. Yes, in real life that would blow a man in half, but again. Balance.

As for inconsistencies, I don't think its as bad as you think. The AK-74U actually IS considered a submachine gun, or rather, a bridge between the two. Its a lot lighter and more compact than the vanilla AK-74, and has a decreased effective range as a result. Considering it was made for rear-echelon deployment, as well as for paratroopers and armored vehicle crews, it definitely fits the traditional description of a submachine gun. And isn't the only difference between the M4A1 and the M4 carbine that the former is fully automatic while the latter is not? The M4 Carbine has never actually been in Call of Duty, its always been the M4A1.

As for the Deagle, well. People like Deagles.

i can understand balance, but then again, it can be fired like a damn machine gun from the shoulder.
and no military considers an ak-74u a submachine gun or a bridge between them. submachine guns use hand gun ammo while the ak-74u uses 5.56mm (m16 ammo) and has really good range. and while it has advantages of a sub machine gun, it is not one. after all the m1a1 was used as a paratrooper weapon but it shoots a 30.cal makeing it a pretty powerful rifle. they are not interchangeable. and as for the m4 carbine, see COD4 (it's misnamed) and both can be fully auto or single fire, in fact, ALL modern assault rifles have that ability, even m16s.

and as for deagles, for one the term "deagle" hurts my brain, as a gun nut it hurts when people mis-name them. like useing "shotty" for normal shot guns (also the range on the shotguns are pitiful, shotguns can fire and hit enemies beyond 10, in fact slugs kill up to half a mile and buck shots generally hit deer hard enough at 100 feet to kill)

call me picky, but as much money as this war game gets, they can research a little.

also update the damn gun sounds, they sound pathetic.

 

[Jegsimmons]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.

um, not to burst ya'lls bubbles, but this isn't really shocking, we knew what was going to happen with or without the title.

 

[Ham_authority95]

I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.

You f*****g idiot! They put stuff like this in the game to surprise you and shock you. But guess what? It won't be shocking at all since since you spoiled the game for hundreds of people just from your thread title.

I hope you're happy. My and others gaming experience has suffered because of you.

So you *enjoy* being shocked my the tragic deaths of innocent civilians in gruesome manners?

Ask a horror movie fan that question and you'll have your answer.

um, not to burst ya'lls bubbles, but this isn't really shocking, we knew what was going to happen with or without the title.

No we didn't. I sure as hell didn't.

We only kind of expected the developers to put in something like this, but we didn't know what exactly.

 

[Squirrel1328]

Okay, my first assumption was that the video would be of a child getting shot, i will admit, even though I would not be offended myself, I can see why some people would take offence to THAT kind of video, but this was an explosion, childeren get killed in explosions, I don't see why people are getting outraged, do they assume that childeren don't get killed in Explosions?


Plus.......... IT'S A FUCKING GAME!!!! IT'S NOT REAL!!!! THEREFORE THAT CHILD AND THEIR NON-VISIBLE DEATH ISN'T REAL EITHER

okay, done now :3

 

[Gralian]

Markedly less shocking than if the child had been executed by terrorists rather than being caught in an explosion.

That said i had a conversation with my dad about Call of Duty's 'controversy'. In his words, he says that No Russian is considerably more affecting because it is interactive whereas the child being killed by a bomb is narrative. While the player doesn't have to do anything during the airport massacre there is still the potential for his / her input. If the scene is out of the control of the player then it is simply following conventions no different to that of film and television.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

i can understand balance, but then again, it can be fired like a damn machine gun from the shoulder.

Hey, the bullets also travel in a straight line forever and looking down the sites makes the bullet spread in a gun disappear. The game seems to believe more in "Authenticity" than "Realism".

and no military considers an ak-74u a submachine gun or a bridge between them. submachine guns use hand gun ammo while the ak-74u uses 5.56mm (m16 ammo) and has really good range. and while it has advantages of a sub machine gun, it is not one. after all the m1a1 was used as a paratrooper weapon but it shoots a 30.cal makeing it a pretty powerful rifle. they are not interchangeable. and as for the m4 carbine, see COD4 (it's misnamed) and both can be fully auto or single fire, in fact, ALL modern assault rifles have that ability, even m16s.

I meant in terms of its tactical deployment, not its caliber. But again, a lot of this is weapon balance. The 74u fits better as a "submachine gun" than, say, the 47. And having multiple AK variants in the Assault Rifle category would be redundant. Likewise, separating the M16 and the M4. They are pretty much the same gun, but they wanted to go with a dedicated burst fire version and dedicated automatic. If every rifle preformed like they did in real life, there would be barely any variation between them. And that simply isn't fun.

and as for deagles, for one the term "deagle" hurts my brain, as a gun nut it hurts when people mis-name them. like useing "shotty" for normal shot guns (also the range on the shotguns are pitiful, shotguns can fire and hit enemies beyond 10, in fact slugs kill up to half a mile and buck shots generally hit deer hard enough at 100 feet to kill)

I like "deagle". It's pithy. And shotty is more of just a quick way to say "shotgun". Saving time is important when life and death are measured in seconds! And yeah, RL shotguns can shoot half a mile, but fights in CoD rarely go more than 100 yards. So, again, weapon balance.

call me picky, but as much money as this war game gets, they can research a little.

also update the damn gun sounds, they sound pathetic.

I actually agree about the sounds. Battlefield's are so good, its kind of sad they haven't prettied theirs up some.

 

[Jegsimmons]

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I actually agree about the sounds. Battlefield's are so good, its kind of sad they haven't prettied theirs up some.

man i remember when i put in bfbc2 and fired some guns, i about shat my pants!

also, the maps need to be bigger in COD, not every battle has to close quarters, kind of defeats the purpose of sniping completely.

 

[Nouw]

This is supposed to make me feel shocked? *Points to Dead Island trailer.

 

[Denariax]

Hm? Oh, it's Activison's absolutely adorable attempt to try and have a relevant story to things that actually matter. Don't mind them, just move along, you'll have FOX News crying into their bedsheets soon enough.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

man i remember when i put in bfbc2 and fired some guns, i about shat my pants!

also, the maps need to be bigger in COD, not every battle has to close quarters, kind of defeats the purpose of sniping completely.

I dunno, I kinda like the small maps. When things get too big, sniping starts to dominate. Like in Battlefield, where if you aren't in vehicle you are in very real danger of having your head popped off. Its realistic, sure, but also tiresome. CoD scratches that itch for quicker, more fast paced confrontational combat. Snipers are for keeping overwatch on sight lines, not for picking off people in an open field, and shotguns have a tactical niche that doesn't really get filled in Battlefield.

Plus, its nice having maps with an actual flow to them. Battlefields are either too circular, or too static.

 

[Rule Britannia]

That's awful .
I feel IW only do this for media attention or something. If not it's just fucking gross and awful.

 

[Sansha]

1. We've seen similar, if worse, in movies.

2. Death is not more important, precious or thought-provoking when it's children.

3. They did it with taste and realism - the little girl and her mother were erased in a blink, rather than with screaming, choking and suffering. I imagine this is about as real as it gets for a bomb attack. It certainly didn't have the tacked-on drama that the nuke in MW did.

4. Children die in war all the time. That's reality, and I really don't see a problem in showing it. It's not a focal point, they don't make a big deal of it - it's just there along with all the other horrors of war and I like how they portrayed it.

 

[zombie goat fetish]

What's the big deal, since when were children invincible. Children die in reality every single day.

 

[Kurokasumi]

Umm, okay? The enemy initiated an attack to get the plot moving and add some shock value. A little girl happened to get killed in it.
They didn't exactly have her gagged and shot in the head by a terrorist. No doubt it's been said and compared, but in MW2 you shoot up an airport and can shoot injured civilians crawling away in the back of the head.
In Homefront you watch a child's parents be murdered in cold blood right infront her/him. Is there any contrversy that the Mother was also killed in the explosion?
It's.. part of how they are telling the story of the game. If you don't like it don't play it.

 

[Nexus4]

I remember in Ninety Nine Nights, there was a scene where you slaughter an entire enemy village killing everyone; children included. That wasn't a cutscene or anything, you had complete control over it.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Awful, I've seen better CG cutscenes two generations ago.

Also, "Big Ben" is not the clock or the tower, it's just the clock's bell.

 

[Oilerfan92]

Modern Warfare is becoming "that guy". Younknow, the one guy in the group that says all sorts of shock value stuff in public. If somebody knows the whole group they'll see that its just one guy doing his own thing that everyone else just puts up with because he's rich or something. But when outsiders who are new to knowing you, they see that guy first because he's the most prominent person there, and when he pulls stupid stuff, itnlooks bad on the rest of you.

Also, let's not pretend that this was some emotional planing stage that they had to think long and hard on, it's over analyized planning to generate attention.

 

[Coldster]

Did you see the name of that englishman talking at the very end of the video? His name said: Wallcroft. Wasn't that the guy from the first mission in CoD4? I remember Captain Price saying: "Griffen, Wallcroft, stay with the chopper" right before you enter the bowels of the cargo ship. Interesting.

 

[saucecode]

Yes, this will cause a shitload of contraversy. Propably some argument about how now millions of teenagers will want to use chemical bombs to blow up little children. We can all see it coming, cant we!
/sarcasm

In all seriousness, I think it cements the impact wars like this has on not just the soldiers, but the civillians. As civillians, they have alot more to loose.

Good idea to put in, hope this game doesn't get bashed too much for it tho.

captcha:

Even the captcha isnt happy!!

 

[Ruedyn]

Couldn't you get a mom to kill her own son in DA:O? Hell, you didn't even need the mom to do it, you could punch her out and do it yourself. Also Prey has 3 child death scenes (one's already been shown in video form) and no controversy. If this works in getting it MORE undeserved attention, I'll crap my pants.