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thevillageidiot13

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Honestly, I don't know where to start, but I've learned that when discussing my situation, it's best not to beat around the bush.

Let me start with my parents. Frankly, I can't stand my parents. Over the past 18 years, I've done my best to make peace with them. My father is verbally abusive, and was physically abusive up until the point where I got old enough to hit back. My mother is not abusive towards me, but I cannot stand her because she is an arrogant, close-minded, hypocritical, racist bigot who believes that she is better than everybody else, and thinks that being wealthy gives her the right to step on everybody else.

Now, I understand that, as a young man barely out of my teen years, the statement that "my parents are abusive and/or evil" or anything along those lines is not especially believable. I offer you these two examples to demonstrate how my parents have frustrated me over the years. Please keep in mind that these are not the only examples of how they have ruined my image of them, and that these are simply mundane examples of what they do every day.

Also, I am not in any way stating that I had a traumatic childhood. I grew up in an upper-middle-class household, and am blessed to have three square meals a day. At the same time, the things my parents have said and done on a day-to-day basis has frustrated me to the point where I no longer want to have anything to do with them. I appreciate what they have given me up to this point, but I do not believe that this gives them the right to to be arrogant and abusive bigots.

During my freshman year in high school, my father threatened to break my legs so that I would focus on school instead of basketball, which was a sport that I genuinely loved with all of my heart. I finished that particular semester with a 3.2 GPA and that entire year with a 3.1 overall. I recognize that a 3.1 is not phenomenal, but, certainly, I don't think it merits a threat of that gravity.

On another example, when I was younger, my mother once refused to give a phone call to my best friend's mother to ask if I could come over and play. Her argument was that she was a doctor, and that made her better than my best friend's mother. Therefore, it was only proper that they call us, and not the other way around. ["I am a DOCTOR! Who the FUCK are they to ask that WE CALL THEM? If they want their son to hang out with the son of a doctor, they should be calling us! Not the other way around!"] As an adult, I still have the same best friend. On the chance that my best friend and I go to the same college, his parents have offered to pay for my room and board if we end up as roommates. In short, they genuinely respect me, and consider me a third son [after my best friend's little brother]. I do not believe that they deserve to be looked down upon like that, regardless of their social status. They have proven themselves as more-than-worthy people in my eyes, and I feel that my mother's arrogance and bigotry towards them was highly-uncalled-for.


Which brings me to my problem. I have been accepted to several colleges at this point. My first choice is UC Santa Cruz, which ranks #71 on US News & World Report's College Rankings. Other contenders are USF and UC Riverside [As mentioned above, my best friend's parents have offered to pay for my room and board fees if I go to college with him, and he will most likely commit to UCR].


Now, I know that what I want to be in life is a teacher. My high school is a prestigious school that upholds good morals, is committed to social justice, and has demonstrated a genuine concern for the well-being of everybody who is a member of its community. It is a second home to me. No, let me correct myself -- I'm more comfortable on campus than I am in my own home.

I want to come back to this school to be an alumni-teacher. This is quite common at this school. I would estimate that approximately 35 - 60% of the teachers at this school are alumni who have been as inspired as I have to come back and teach.

If I come back to teach, I will be teaching English. Specifically, writing. I have a natural talent for writing. Once, I joked with my Creative Writing teacher [a brilliant man who I genuinely respect] that I would come back and steal his job once I was done with college. He looked at me, and said, quite seriously, "You'd do a better job than I ever would as a teacher."

I know that high school teachers are not the wealthiest people on Earth, but I've experienced the wealthy side of life, and would accept a somewhat-less outlandish lifestyle if I could have a job I was happy with.


My parents refuse to pay for my college education, however, unless I choose to pursue a career in medicine.

I do NOT want ANYTHING to do with medicine. I understand that it is a noble profession full of good people who save lives, but it is simply a career track that I cannot possibly imagine myself being happy with.


The resolution I came to tonight was that I would break free from my parents' grasp on me. I will go to college without their support and pursue the career I want, their sanity be damned to Hell.

If they choose to change their mind and support me, I will not accept. They will have absolutely no say in what I do with my life. This is my resolution: I am an adult, and I will go to college as an independent adult.


Now that I have made this resolution, I must face the sad conclusion that I have no idea how I'm going to pay for college. I am considering everything from a part-time job to government loans. However, I have no idea what these options will mean for my future. For example, are government student loans worth it?

Just for the record, attending UC Santa Cruz will cost me approximately $50,000 a year, and UC Riverside will cost me about $27,000 a year. [If I accept my friend's parents' offer for room and board, I intend to pay them back as soon as I begin earning a steady income.]

I appreciate the time everybody took to read all of this, and would thank anybody who has any advice or input for me.
 

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Grants, scholarships and student loans are available. You could easily stop relying on your parents and pay for it yourself if you don't want to follow their direction. Student loans really aren't that big a burden, especially if you pick a profession that pays decently and is in demand. You could also work a part time job, and of course learn to cut back on expenses to save money.

Also, don't get too caught up in college rankings. They're likely to change before you graduate, and I don't know many employers who put too much stock in them. Some places favor ivy league schools, but that's a very small minority. As long as you get a degree, you should have no problems pursuing the career of your choice.

Your first start, fill out the FAFSA (free application for federal student aid) to see what federal programs you qualify for. Also, talk to the school's financial aid offices to see what other options you have.

Finally, one option you should seriously consider is going to a community college for the first year or two. Get all the prerequisite classes out of the way for cheap, and then transfer to a university for the focused credits. Just makes sure the CC credits are accepted (they usually are).
 

thevillageidiot13

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Avaholic03 said:
Grants, scholarships and student loans are available. You could easily stop relying on your parents and pay for it yourself if you don't want to follow their direction. Student loans really aren't that big a burden, especially if you pick a profession that pays decently and is in demand. You could also work a part time job, and of course learn to cut back on expenses to save money.

Also, don't get too caught up in college rankings. They're likely to change before you graduate, and I don't know many employers who put too much stock in them. Some places favor ivy league schools, but that's a very small minority. As long as you get a degree, you should have no problems pursuing the career of your choice.

Your first start, fill out the FAFSA (free application for federal student aid) to see what federal programs you qualify for. Also, talk to the school's financial aid offices to see what other options you have.

Finally, one option you should seriously consider is going to a community college for the first year or two. Get all the prerequisite classes out of the way for cheap, and then transfer to a university for the focused credits. Just makes sure the CC credits are accepted (they usually are).
I did apply for the FAFSA. The problem with the FAFSA is that, unless you're over 24, they automatically assume that your parents will contribute to your college tuition. Meaning that, if they don't want to, or if you don't want them to, then you're screwed.

I will, however, call my school's financial aid offices to see what other options I have. If what aid they have is inadequate, I will look into some local community colleges.


Thanks for the advice.


PS: Is high school teaching an adequate-enough job to pay off a student loan? Please keep in mind that this is a fairly wealthy school that I intend to teach at once I'm done with college, and can probably pay more than the average high school.
 

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Alright, I have read everything and will now give you my ideas.

Firstly, I don't know anything about UCR, but I'll make the assumption that you can have the teacher's education you want there. If that is the case, pick UCR. Not only do I think it's better to have your friend's parents pay for your time there, but having someone to rely on when starting at a new place, this someone obviously being your friend, takes a load of stress of your mind when you start.

Another thing you can look into is if any of the colleges you want to apply to have a basketball team. This isn't really a make or break option, but I do think it would make you enjoy college more (just don't start a trilogy of lame musicals in the process, M'kay?)

As for student loans, my mother paid the last of her loans of when she was 41. So unless you want to be in debt for the majority of your life, I'd suggest having your friend's parents pay. It will make it much easier for you in the long run.

That's about all the advice I have for you right now. Good luck with your future.
 

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i feel for you mate i was pushed into univeristy by my parents cos they didn't have the chance and they could get enough government loans so that it owuldn't break the bank to send me off

however i hate it, spending all my time writing, reading and writing about reading, it's a constant migraine i hate the education system and have never been comfortable in a class environment, i'd much rather work in social care or in a nursing home, something that actually meant something (i'm doing english lit btw)

my folks aren't abusive per se they're justy not very understanding people thoough my dad enjoys taking the piss and we don't really get along

good on you for asserting yourself, as long as you have good friends and (if you're lucky) the love of a beautiful woman then parents aren't necessarily that important
 

thevillageidiot13

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Hubilub said:
Alright, I have read everything and will now give you my ideas.

Firstly, I don't know anything about UCR, but I'll make the assumption that you can have the teacher's education you want there. If that is the case, pick UCR. Not only do I think it's better to have your friend's parents pay for your time there, but having someone to rely on when starting at a new place, this someone obviously being your friend, takes a load of stress of your mind when you start.

Another thing you can look into is if any of the colleges you want to apply to have a basketball team. This isn't really a make or break option, but I do think it would make you enjoy college more (just don't start a trilogy of lame musicals in the process, M'kay?)

As for student loans, my mother paid the last of her loans of when she was 41. So unless you want to be in debt for the majority of your life, I'd suggest having your friend's parents pay. It will make it much easier for you in the long run.

That's about all the advice I have for you right now. Good luck with your future.
I cannot ask my friend's parents to pay for ALL of my college tuition. However, it does make sense for them to cover my room and board costs, because they already own a house up there, so, again, I could simply live with my friend there.

I will consider UC Riverside more carefully.

Thanks for the input. ^^ And I promise not to make any lame musicals.
 

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thevillageidiot13 said:
I did apply for the FAFSA. The problem with the FAFSA is that, unless you're over 24, they automatically assume that your parents will contribute to your college tuition. Meaning that, if they don't want to, or if you don't want them to, then you're screwed.

PS: Is high school teaching an adequate-enough job to pay off a student loan? Please keep in mind that this is a fairly wealthy school that I intend to teach at once I'm done with college, and can probably pay more than the average high school.
You can appeal the FAFSA decision and tell them you will not be accepting help from your parents. That should change the amount they expect you to pay. The appeal process can be annoying, but definitely worth it for someone in your situation. That's another thing your financial aid office can help you with.

I would think a HS teaching position would be good enough to pay off student loans, depending on how good you are at budgeting your money. If you plan on getting a nice house and car and living large right out of college, then think again. But if you're patient, you can pay off the loans in time, and then be pretty set.
 

thevillageidiot13

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Avaholic03 said:
thevillageidiot13 said:
I did apply for the FAFSA. The problem with the FAFSA is that, unless you're over 24, they automatically assume that your parents will contribute to your college tuition. Meaning that, if they don't want to, or if you don't want them to, then you're screwed.

PS: Is high school teaching an adequate-enough job to pay off a student loan? Please keep in mind that this is a fairly wealthy school that I intend to teach at once I'm done with college, and can probably pay more than the average high school.
You can appeal the FAFSA decision and tell them you will not be accepting help from your parents. That should change the amount they expect you to pay. The appeal process can be annoying, but definitely worth it for someone in your situation. That's another thing your financial aid office can help you with.

I would think a HS teaching position would be good enough to pay off student loans, depending on how good you are at budgeting your money. If you plan on getting a nice house and car and living large right out of college, then think again. But if you're patient, you can pay off the loans in time, and then be pretty set.
If I contact the college Financial Aid office, will they help me with the appeals process?
 

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Check the finanical aid on UCR's website. Realistically I don't believe you will be able to pay off loans for a $50,000 school. Since you just want to be a high school English teacher as long as you make good grades and get your degree/license the school shouldn't make a large enough difference. Also the room and board expenses being cut and the support of a second family makes the choice a hell of a lot easier.
 

thevillageidiot13

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Kuhkren said:
Check the finanical aid on UCR's website. Realistically I don't believe you will be able to pay off loans for a $50,000 school. Since you just want to be a high school English teacher as long as you make good grades and get your degree/license the school shouldn't make a large enough difference. Also the room and board expenses being cut and the support of a second family makes the choice a hell of a lot easier.
I'm planning on working for a private high school, so no license will be necessary. I just have to major in the field I want to teach, and, God willing, I'll get the job.
 

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thevillageidiot13 said:
If I contact the college Financial Aid office, will they help me with the appeals process?
It depends on how helpful they want to be. Most schools will try to help students get the aid they need, so they should help you through the process. But sometimes you have to be persistent and don't take "no" for an answer. If you can, schedule an appointment to sit down with them. Discuss all your options, including scholarships. I'm pretty sure there's a shortage of qualified teachers right now, so there should be plenty of scholarships for people who are interested in that career.
 

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Carn't really provide many details about the specifics of American college systems (I'm a Brit), but as Hubilib said, go to UCR with your friend, and his parents will help cut down on the costs. See what state/federal assistance you can get and also start looking for part-time jobs. You'll need maintance money for food and books after all, plus the work experience looks good on a CV.

Now, i find at my university that there are many job vacancies at the beginning of the first term, because there is a vacumn left behind from those who have dropped their jobs at the end of the year. It might be the same in your case, start looking for part time jobs from day 1.

Also, when it comes to job interviews, it might be highly rewarding if you to mention, tactfully, and in passing, that you became a teacher dispite your parents refusal to fund your college education. This shows that you really want to be a teacher and have plenty of motivation, which could give you an advantage at interviews.
 

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I'm studying to become a teacher as well but I'm going down the high school science route and thankfully I live close to my university and have my parents support so I guess I got lucky in that regard. Honestly, if your parents are trying to force you down a career path that you don't want to go into tell them to go fuck themselves and go to the college that you want.

Who are they to choose what you want for a career? It would be easier going into medicine with your parents behind you; clearly, but doing something that you hate isn't worth all the ease in the world. Besides, with help from other people and a loan it doesn't seem that going to the school of your choice would be the hardest option. I would go be a teacher if I were you.
 

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If I was you I would get as far away from your abusive parents as I could. Especially seeing how frustrated it makes you. Go to school somewhere else, away from them.

I would not recommend going back to teach at any place where they are close by and can meddle either.

Honestly, distance yourself from them. The world is a big place. There's no room for people that negative in your life.
 

thevillageidiot13

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BlindMessiah94 said:
If I was you I would get as far away from your abusive parents as I could. Especially seeing how frustrated it makes you. Go to school somewhere else, away from them.

I would not recommend going back to teach at any place where they are close by and can meddle either.

Honestly, distance yourself from them. The world is a big place. There's no room for people that negative in your life.
Yes, but if I choose to teach at this school, I won't even tell my parents where I live. I intend to cut myself off from them as soon as possible. So they won't even know I live in the same city anymore. However, if I teach, I would want to teach at this particular school, because I love it, and it's given so much to me, and I only feel that I have to give something back in return.
 

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Just throwing out a left-field worse case scenario option out here...there's always military.

Not sure how it works in the USA, but over here you can studying a degree, become an officer make a good amount of money before discharging and becoming a teacher. You'd be a bit older but you'd have a lot of life experience.
 

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If your parents are rich then you must have at least a few thousand dollars in an account in your name.If you make some low-risk investments in a few stable companies, you can make a decent income. Not enough to live on, but it will help.
 

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Wait a minute, don't they do anything like government-secured student loans in the US? Here in the UK, there's a group known as Student Finance England (with similar groups in Scotland and so on) that pays for your student fees, and gives you a loan or non-repayable grant dependant on your current financial conditions that helps you through university or college. It's how I can afford to do university. It's government-secured and you don't pay anything back until you're earning at least £15000 per year, if you don't pay it all back within a certain amount of time then whatever's left is written off, and the interest rate is great and rises only, and strictly, within current inflation levels.

if there are any schemes like that ion the USA then I seriously advise you to apply for that. It's the best way to do it, and that scheme over here pays for my tuition fees, rent, food and living costs, and I still have a little left over for socialising. I'll add that I was brought up in a white middle-class family with an annual income of over £60000, though when my dad was made redundant two years ago this did admittedly drop until he found another job.

Whatever you choose to do though, good luck, and I hope that you have a happy and successful life. No-one deserves a home environment like you've had to suffer. I mean, my dad used to slap me when I did anything wrong, and I reckon that's fine, that's how all my family were raised and how I'll raise my kids when I'm older. He still loves me though and he's told me plenty of times that he's proud of me for what I've achieved in life and so on. Your parents though, you definitely deserve better, and I hope that whatever you do, you're happy. Good luck, my friend :D.
 

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I also have shitty parents but mine are shitty in the sense that they just simply have never cared and i've just generally had to solve my own problems and bring myself up, i guess that's probably a lot better then overly controlling parents but i would just advise you to do the same as me.

I simply just don't ask for anything tell them anything or talk to them in general then you owe them nothing, i would sell things at school to get money until i was old enough to go out and got a job at 15 so i could work in the morning before school and 4 years i haven't asked them for anything in about 6 years, like you and many others i just want to cut loose from my family and leave it behind me so i can start a better new life of my own.

I no a few people who have had abusive parents and i think it seems like you are struggling with the same thing i told them they were. "They are just people" people tend to think of there parents like they are gods and have some sort of higher power over them but in reality they have none especially now you are an adult so if your dad threatens you call the police, take out a restraining order. Hell in America now i heard you can effectively divorce you're parents. Thats the alternative to cutting them out of your life, throw them out!! just do something that you know would piss them off so badly and be so offensive to them that they wont want to talk to you.

Anyway, good luck with you're problem i hope it comes out good. If i were you i would stick with you're friend and try to pay as much of the fees etc as you could and pay back you're friends parents every cent because good, loyal honest people are the rarest commodity these days and you want to hang on to them.
 

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I'm reminded of a short sequence in Up In The Air:

Clooney: Why do kids love athletes?
JK Simmons: Because they earn millions and date supermodels?
Clooney: No, that's why we love athletes. Kids love athletes because they follow their dreams.

Go and become an awesome teacher. It will put you into significant debt. It will never pay very well. But neither of these things will matter if you're doing the job you want to be doing. Either your parents will come around or they will die bitter and alone (and you'll probably inherit all the cash anyway).