My school has just crossed the line from 'Idiotic Logic' to 'Batshit Insanity'
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why would guys hug each other?
SMT? Shin Megami Tensei?
what's the big deal about it?
I went to a school were too much hair, too little hair, not wearing the uniform properly, couples, kissing, and holding hands would get you sent to the principals office so I don't see why you're complaining that you can't hug your bros. Go to the bathroom you can hug all you want
SMT? Shin Megami Tensei?
what's the big deal about it?
I went to a school were too much hair, too little hair, not wearing the uniform properly, couples, kissing, and holding hands would get you sent to the principals office so I don't see why you're complaining that you can't hug your bros. Go to the bathroom you can hug all you want
we have 2 gates, one pointing AWAY from the shops. if we use it, we're late to school. the only reason the back gate is shut is because people complained about the people leaving the school in the middle of the day to go to their houses.joshthor said:
and we need more than 1 geography teacher because he teaches 3 levels at once.
and the 'full contact sports' are still playable, its just 4th years (15 year olds) cant play with 5th years (mostly 15, some 16 year olds). and its just because of the age difference, because our 4th years are mostly rugby players.
Im talking abou the REALLY crazy ones. Like the ones that quote bible shit to be racist, or the guy who got suspended for dancing AT ANOTHER SCHOOL.lacktheknack said:
YEAH FUCK YEAH...wait, I was still bathing in the awesomeness that is the new PS3 commercial. Let me get in the right mood for this topic...
WHAT THE FUCK?!HUGGING?!
What country and time period do you live in?!
Is it the US of A in 2011 or communist Russia in the 40's?! Owait, nevermind, apparently you're from the United Kingdom...
Well, your school has really gone insane, and hopefully it's just them and not something from the ministery which would be FUUUUCKEED.
WHAT THE FUCK?!HUGGING?!
What country and time period do you live in?!
Is it the US of A in 2011 or communist Russia in the 40's?! Owait, nevermind, apparently you're from the United Kingdom...
Well, your school has really gone insane, and hopefully it's just them and not something from the ministery which would be FUUUUCKEED.
After reading your response it sounds like our schools handled lunch differently. At my high school, lunch was 30 minutes. It was just enough time to get to the cafeteria, eat your food, and return, with maybe a few minutes to spare. So you really didn't have free time during lunch. If you wanted to play a GBA, it meant you were not eating lunch, would be a problem in itself. Understand that the main reason for no GBAs or their likeat our school, is due to kids using them during class, not so much using them during lunch.conflictofinterests said:
The hell? Don't the adults in that part of the world understand how girls get pregnant (I know it involves intimacy, but there obviously there a lot more to the equation). Also, it's being enforced because GUYS ARE INSANE? Whoever was responsible proposing this rule, voting for it, and enforcing it are clearly the insane ones.
... Wait, what?Frankster said:
How the fuck is that a dick move?
OT: Eh, my school doesn't have any stupid rules, surprisingly. Well, maybe besides how we're not allowed to be on swings because we're too old. I like swings. :<
Post made me smile.BNguyen said:
Anyways, my schools aren't all that bad, the administration behind the district is medieval, but I have some of the best teachers working here, the kind who actually fight for things. Personally, I just want to get to college already. It's Senior Year and things are going slow...
Was the closest to a dick move I could think off xD Well you'd be surprised how much the superintendants or w/e you call them spent their time in recess telling smokers to "walk 2 steps to the right" or just move groups of ppl for an invisible line that shifted depending on the superintendant. And as a massive percentage of students were smokers this applied to almost half of the school..EternalFacepalm said:
We're not interested in making more work for ourselves in enforcing stupid rules. So, when you see a school create a stupid rule like this? Rest assured, you can blame a parent somewhere. Some parent raised a fuss about inappropriate touching, and they expect the school to "do something" about it. The school may reprimand the student, but then the parent decides that isn't enough. They go to the principal, then to the school board...TrilbyWill said:
And if they make a loud enough noise, most school boards come to the same conclusions:
1. Parents are the ones that elect me. I make them happy, I keep my job (which is really just a stepping stone to mayor, or at least city council).
2. I can fire a teacher, but I can't fire a parent. When there's a problem, you just jiggle moving parts until it stops. Teachers are my moving part, so I'll make them do something.
3. Making rules is easy, but enforcing them is hard. Luckily, it's the teachers that have to enforce it, so the problem is solved from my end. If the problem goes away, I can take credit. If it doesn't, I can blame the teachers for not enforcing it enough.
Teachers try to run the students.
But principals run the teachers.
School boards run the principals.
Parents run the school board.
And no one can run the parents (except, oddly enough, the kids)
Inmates running the asylum. Sure explains a lot of the "batshit insanity," doesn't it?
"No buying from stores. No leaving the front gate. NO COMPLAINING. BEING 2 YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE ISN'T BAD AT ALL. NO THAT GUY CAN'T BE REMOVED FROM SCHOOL EVEN THOUGH HE KICKED A GUY INTO THE HOSPITAL." Need I say more?
This seem to reek of the same kind of troll logic as, well...
In the Soviet Union back in the day, take as an example shoe production.
Some factories produced tiny shoes in order to meet quotas, others produced pieces of leather and called them "shoes," all because the bureaucrats really liked to report that quotas were being met.
I can't remember the exact name for this sort of logical fallacy, but it is those meaningless things that pop up not because of utility but because of rules lawyering.
Alternately it is just false logic.
It was only boys who were not allowed to hug? That's gender discrimination, and very, very illegal (in many, many countries.)
In the Soviet Union back in the day, take as an example shoe production.
Some factories produced tiny shoes in order to meet quotas, others produced pieces of leather and called them "shoes," all because the bureaucrats really liked to report that quotas were being met.
I can't remember the exact name for this sort of logical fallacy, but it is those meaningless things that pop up not because of utility but because of rules lawyering.
Alternately it is just false logic.
It was only boys who were not allowed to hug? That's gender discrimination, and very, very illegal (in many, many countries.)
Oh believe me, I know all about that.The-Epicly-Named-Man said:
Before I moved, I grew up in a K-8 school where the BIGGEST CLASS EVER was 51.
Had it not been a Kindergarten through 8th Grade school, then the total population, per segment (Grade/Middle/Jr High), would have been around 100-120.
The average was usually in the high 30s. (It was a Central Illinois school that got all of us hickbilly country kids that were too far away from the city or out of the district entirely)
When I moved, my new class size jumped from about 40 to 220.
But comparing my High School class size to even a modest sized city or suburb of Chicago; it's PUNY. Absolutely PUNY (about a tenth of the size).
Years later, I figured out why they had enacted many of those:
1) The police officer was there because some dumb shit kids were bringing bowie knives and guns to school in the adjacent county. In addition, he was supposed to patrol the grounds looking for kids doing drugs and such to help combat the growing truancy rate in our region.
2) The "no PDA/contact" rule was due to our specific school's unusually high teen pregnancy rate at the time; apparently, my class loved having unprotected sex. (exacerbated by the comparatively low population of female students; one chick getting knocked up in my class would be the equivalent of 20 in other districts)
This in practice makes no sense, since they were far more likely to fuck off campus anyway.
3) The clothing rule was meant to enforce the no PDAs via bullshit psychology. What the teachers failed to understand is that in a 16-19 year old's mind, is that if they're fantasizing about sex, they're going to do it regardless of how much/little clothing they can see during class.
In addition, I recall one more program that came into being right after I graduated (my sister had to put up with it though); Mandatory Community Service; 25 hours worth per semester.
So in short: The reason was PR and Politics. And my school wasn't the only victim of these sort of programs.
This is true and I tend to agree. If you think not hugging is breaking some sort of natural law & order, wait until you enter the workforce. For example, say you have a limp and the way you walk is quite noticeably different than everyone else. So different, in fact, that someone mistakes it for "air-thrusting" - that's a sexual harassment lawsuit right there. Sure, it may be dismissed fairly quickly (in which case you may just as wasily be dismissed depending on how your company wants to handle the situation) but for those at the workplace that don't know you, you're going to be rumored to be a perv and it's going to create a terrible (and possibly hostile) work environment.-Samurai- said:
However, I do take issue with the rule. It is essentially mandatory that children go to school.
It then has to be understood that our formative years are spent in school. We spend a vast majority of our time with other people and future individual members of society. We develop societal behaviour, the mores of civilization and interaction. We develop feelings and relationships with those around us simply because we share proximity with them. We therefore have to develop interaction between ourselves and learn effective ways of communication - verbal language being but one aspect of communication.
To disallow hugging seems retardant to the progression of a person's upbringing. Sure, PDAs are annoying and can be inappropriate, but are arguably necessary for growth and personal progression. Disallowing kissing I can understand on multiple levels: (1) It can be over-the-top and frequently there could be some overtly sexual behaviour going on (such as what has been termed "petting" and even some groping) putting the school at risk for technically allowing statutory rape and (2) kissing is an excellent way to spread disease; it's a wonderful vector for various bacteria and viruses which can impact the school and cause more work for both teachers and students just to get to the standard point at which the education is deemed acceptable.
Hugging, however, is incredibly innocent and carries no objective sexual connotation. It is a strong and effective way to communicate affection through body language. It also shows acceptance. Due to the influx of hormones and the change in other neurotransmitter levels, it is important to basically reinforce "positive" social interaction and to constantly develop understanding of social interaction.
I should've started with this, but school doesn't simply teach one six or so subjects on a day-to-day basis, it also teaches acceptable social interaction and the important behaviours we need to understand if we're to succeed in society as adults. You need to fail in order to learn, and if that means getting slapped after trying to be coy and give a backwards hug, so be it. Better to learn it in school rather than a bar with some lady who happens to be there with her significant other. I'd rather get slapped than stabbed.
