My views on the controversy over the new Hitman trailer.

Nomanslander

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You know when it comes to the issue of sexual exploitation in video games, there are times I have to agree with the complaints about women being objectified to arouse male interests, and times I do not. To me, there is a line between what's considerable as exploitation and what's meant for camp value, and with camp there's meant to be a sense of humor or irony behind it. With this trailer, I don't see anything anywhere as offensive as any other game with ladies dressed femme fatal style. What I think has really bothered a lot of people over this trailer isn't that issue but something much more deeper.

I think it's the same issue that a game called Final Fight once dealt with back in the late 80s early 90s. In a beat 'em up game where the objective was to take on wave after wave of muscle bond urban criminals. The game suffered fear of controversy when within the line up of bad guys, one of the characters just so happened to be female. When the game was brought over from Japan, the fear was male audiences would feel disheartened by beating up a female characters, no matter if they were made out as enemies there to kill you, and the game would suffer from it. So what they did was turn this female character into a transvestite, making it okay now to beat up a supposed homosexual as long as that character supposedly at one time in its life had male genitalia. Now I'm not going to dive into its further on going stupidity or the controversy if a game like that was to come out now vilifying a character by making them gay. But the original issue still stands, and what I feel has really bothered people about this trailer isn't the fact that those women were dressed provocatively enough. It's simply the fact that they're women at all, and they were killed in the process.

Now this my MY problem with this issue. Why is it that it's okay to murder wave after wave of male enemies, but when they turn female it all of a sudden becomes wrong? So killing men in movies and games = good, killing women = bad. No matter if they're portrayed as murderers out to get you themselves, it's still some how wrong. This is what I think is at the heart of what's wrong with this trailer. Not as much the trailer itself, but the reactions that it's getting.

As a Veteran I find this offensive because at one point in my life I was treated as an expendable tool. Personally now that I'm in my 30s, any form of gratuitous violence just for the sake of itself I find offensive in one form or another. What this trailer here is is camp. But, once the issue begins to preach between the lines that it's okay for men to die in the masses in games but not women, now it's offensive to the point that I'm going to start getting up to show my contempt. Now I know that that's the issue because I remember an earlier trailer for Hitman: Absolution that showed gameplay of murdering of several male police officers, and I don't mean corrupt cops; just those out doing there job that got in the way of Agent 47. I kinda found that offensive, now at the time no one else seemed to care. Now that we have sexy women in lingerie who are obviously murdering degenerates out for blood. IT'S WRONG!

Murdering bad women > law upholding men.

So that's the equation I'm getting out of what society finds value in.
 

Zhukov

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I didn't realise there was a controversy here.

It doesn't offend me, it just looks silly.
 

K84

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I'm actually happy to see something like latex nuns before i pull the trigger, some eyecandy is nice.
After the russians, zombies, nazi's, cyberdemons, grunts, and whatnots, i deserve this eyecandy damnit!

Controversy?

What is'nt these days....
 

JWRosser

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Whilst the trailer doesn't do the game any favours, people are going way over the top about it. I think the skimpy nuns were unnecessary, but then Hitman has always had gimps, prostitutes etc in it anyway. Whilst it does kind of fetishies the violence, what pissed me off about it is that Hitman isn't about explosions and big gun fights; it's about stealth, and executing silently and unnoticed, and plotting assassinations.

The trailer didn't offend me in any way - it was just a bit silly.
 

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Nomanslander said:
I think it's the same issue that a game called Final Fight once dealt with back in the late 80s early 90s. In a beat 'em up game where the objective was to take on wave after wave of muscle bond urban criminals. The game suffered fear of controversy when within the line up of bad guys, one of the characters just so happened to be female. When the game was brought over from Japan, the fear was male audiences would feel disheartened by beating up a female characters, no matter if they were made out as enemies there to kill you, and the game would suffer from it. So what they did was turn this female character into a transvestite, making it okay now to beat up a supposed homosexual as long as that character supposedly at one time in its life had male genitalia.
First, transvestite, transsexual, and homosexual are not synonyms.

Second, the issue only arose upon the North American localization of the SNES port - the arcade original wasn't changed at all. For the SNES port, some Nintendo of America playtesters had issues with beating up women, so the creator came up with the excuse that the characters Poison and Roxy were actually transvestites or transsexuals - either way, the excuse didn't fly, so they were instead replaced with the male punks Billy and Sid. (They were also altered in the Sega CD port, but in a different way - their shirts were lengthened to keep their breasts from being exposed during their hit-stun animation. The female enemies in Final Fight 3, however, are female in all versions of the game.)

The real issue in this case was primarily that Nintendo of America was quite a conservative company then,and ferociously guarded their family-friendly image - at the same time they were demanding the removal of Final Fight's female enemies, Sega's Streets of Rage franchise had ample woman-punching.
 

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I don´t feel the urge to play this game anymore. I was interested at first but this trailer looks like Saints Row the third: Hitman edition.

I`ll wait for a few reviews.
 

Iwata

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I didn't like the trailer. For the exact same reason I didn't like the Ghost Recon trailer with the blonde bimbo firing guns at a weapons range. I don't like them because they cheapen what are supposedly good games.

But I won't go so far as to call them controversial, merely poorly made.
 

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I don't know why people are complaining about this especially but the clip obviously has strong overtones of sadomasochistic violence instead of just normal "fighting to win." In a way the public might find it more offensive if mr bald headed murder dude was fighting other men who were dressed in a similar way with the same shots.
 

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It may not be doing it worse then others but two wrongs don't make a right.
There is no point in this trailer where the designer was aiming at a tasteful presentation, sex and violence manipulation is all they went for.
 

Dandark

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I didn't realize there was a controversy. The trailer made me facepalm pretty hard and the only offense I took is that they thought this was how they should be marketing to gamers. It's like that dead space 2 ad that EA did, it didn't offend everyone so much as it insulted them.
 

Nomanslander

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Grygor said:
First, transvestite, transsexual, and homosexual are not synonyms.
Yes, I know that, but the fact is they never made it clear what Poison was. The only thing that was made fact was she wasn't female. Meaning she was either a transsexual, a transvestite, or a homosexual. They left it for everyone's imagination to decide. That is just how badly they handled that matter.
 

Nomanslander

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Zhukov said:
I didn't realise there was a controversy here.
No it isn't, but they're trying to make it into one. Well at least here in America they are...0o

http://kotaku.com/5914470/hitman-absolution-the-army-of-girls-that-will-change-gaming
 

felbot

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no i dont think that was peoples problem with the game, the problem is that they added some rather shameless sex appeal to a series that had up until that point been rather serious in tone.
 

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felbot said:
no i dont think that was peoples problem with the game, the problem is that they added some rather shameless sex appeal to a series that had up until that point been rather serious in tone.
Exactly. As I mentioned above, the same mistake Ubisoft did when promoting the new Ghost Recon.
 

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Nomanslander said:
Now this my MY problem with this issue. Why is it that it's okay to murder wave after wave of male enemies, but when they turn female it all of a sudden becomes wrong? So killing men in movies and games = good, killing women = bad. No matter if they're portrayed as murderers out to get you themselves, it's still some how wrong. This is what I think is at the heart of what's wrong with this trailer. Not as much the trailer itself, but the reactions that it's getting.
If you honestly mean to make this a matter of "boo hoo why won't somebody think of the MEN?!" you are being willfully ignorant of the complaints people have raised.

The issue here is that the trailer is unbridled adolescent pandering which objectifies women before happily proceeding to portray their gratuitous murder. They were quite literally only created for the purpose of titillation, both in terms of their design and the dominant, visceral way in which 47 dispatches them.
Can you claim the aforementioned policemen in the first trailer were exploited in the same way?

It's crap. And offensive crap to boot.
 

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I see nothing controversial in it.

I just see the same old dull, boring, chewed-up-then-spit-back-out-only-to-be-chewed-up-again action flick that goes "Notice our special effects! Oooo, shiny! You push buttons and something awesome happens!"

So yeah, controversial? Hardly. Controversy would at least give it more of a chance to be actually good.
 

Nomanslander

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LiquidGrape said:
If you honestly mean to make this a matter of "boo hoo why won't somebody think of the MEN?!" you are being willfully ignorant of the complaints people have raised.
I object to your tone there, if you want to make snipe remarks keep going and we'll see how you like a weeks suspension from these forums, because you don't make a remark like that unless you're willfully wanting to be offensive.

Still the fact is it's a stupid matter that DOES exist in both movies and games, and if you want to be willfully ignorant about it go right ahead. Just don't be insulting about the matter.

As for the trailer itself. It has risen a lot of bickering over several different issues. As for it's camp, you either hate it or not. I personally thought it was entertaining.