First off, I'm circumcized and I'm fine. I don't know if I would be better off with my foreskin, but my junk seems okay to me.KissingSunlight said:
Second off, we castrate animals alllllll time time. That's a fair bit worse than circumcision.
Name one horrible thing that was done to people that isn't done to animals every year.
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Second off, we castrate animals alllllll time time. That's a fair bit worse than circumcision.
Cloning [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep)]09philj said:
I'm not sure about souls, but pigs can definitely be possessed according to the gospel of Matthew. that counts for something right?davidmc1158 said:
Rolf had a TV series called 'Animal Hospital' so I think Rolf did not discriminate when it came to our furry friends...Baffle2 said:
I can go into most restaurants and order pig, but long pig is not on the menu, and certainly not live long pig.09philj said:
I'm being silly, and yes, people have eaten people before, sure. But not on such a grand scale, and it is certainly not an acceptable dining option in the modern world, anywhere (I think?).
On the other hand, I get what you're saying. Humans are pretty horrible to everything and everyone.
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I just wanted to type, I guess.
Perhaps, but pigs have never had bad possession movies made of their experience! *cough cough* Incarnate *cough cough*Professor James said:
I really don't like how not even the first reply into the thread, it was turned into an internet meme.
No guys, trying to joke about it to divert the attention is not going to cancel the problem.
Instead of covering the problem with a joke, why don't you have the guts to think about it? Yes, we do much worse things to animals than to other human beings. And most animals can feel pain and terror just like us.
No guys, trying to joke about it to divert the attention is not going to cancel the problem.
Instead of covering the problem with a joke, why don't you have the guts to think about it? Yes, we do much worse things to animals than to other human beings. And most animals can feel pain and terror just like us.
Because frankly: What problem? Most people are fine and dandy about treating animals worse than humans. Most people don't really give a crap about large, LARGE swathes of humans either.Nature Guardian said:
Ayy, you fell for it.Nature Guardian said:
McElroy said:
Unless the entire world is full of sociopaths, I hardly believe most people are fine about treating animals worse than humans.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals are stupid, hence we are far more powerful. Which means that even a vicious tiger is, essentially, on the level of a human baby.
Which is why hurting animals is an even worse thought than hurting humans: it's a bit like hurting a baby.
That makes a lot of sociopaths then. Lots and lots of us. And we don't even eat people, wear people, ride people, OWN people...Nature Guardian said:
It's hard to start applying Kantian ethics to beings with no capacity to understand them. Tastes too much like altruism.Nature Guardian said:
That's just it though. People nowadays are fine treating animals like crap. 25 years ago, it was fine for straight people to treat homosexuals like crap. 45 years ago, it was fine for men to treat women like crap. 60 years ago, it was fine for white people to treat black people like crap. 100 years ago, disowning a person from a certain country was A-OK. 200 years ago, it was fine to see people of a different religion as savages. 250 years ago, treating the poor like subhumans was the norm.McElroy said:
The point is from an ethical standpoint, humans have never stopped treating people they don't consider "fully human" horribly. The only social changes from the past is that certain groups of people are no longer considered inferior.
Funny enough, in a survey done here in Finland sometime last year (can't remember exactly) revealed that most people dislike the poor - even the poor themselves.Professor James said:
Treating someone or something like crap. Everyone being fine with calling gays fucking faggots doesn't really compare to being fine with executing mice because the noise annoys me. Meanwhile domestic violence was just legalized in Russia and Putin's contemporary politics have given rise to good old russophobia here, and we were mostly fine with Russians already - and they were REALLY disliked in the 90s, openly too.
I like this topic, have to admit. It's useful to check up on one's rationalizations on why they're apathetic to all the shit around them and emotional about a select few things.
...Because this isn't a thread that's actually trying to talk about the problems of animals? It's a gotcha thread for some moral preening, not a genuine discussion about the cavalcade of horrors humans routinely subject animals to. Hence the memeing - might as well try to have some fun with a substance-less thread.Nature Guardian said:
(also because the 'Name one horrible thing that was done to x' just sounds like a meme thread. Like those 'would you save an x or a y from a whirlpool' threads that were apparently a thing around here back in the day.)