NASA Discovers New Life

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LittleChone

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Okay, awesome!!

I wasn't expecting this, but hey, beggars can't be choosers when it comes to the universe!!
 
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So this whole time we were just assuming that life on other planets had to have the same biological structure as life on ours? And and now that we've found that it doesn't even have to have the same biological structure as ours to live on Earth we don't believe it any more? Okay.

I reckon this is going to be awesome whether the planet kills us or not.
 

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Well this just made my day. My mind has been officially blown to several self detonating pieces.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go play me some Mass Effect.
 

Kazyan

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Wait, one of these speculations on a possible alternate form of life has actually been confirmed?

It's not exactly silicon life, but, WOOOOOOOOOOO--
 

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ZephrC said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
ZephrC said:
Jabberwock xeno said:
BBBBUUUUUULLLLLL CCCCCCRRRRAAAAAAPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot express my ANGER at this mountain of pathethic, vile words they call a significant discovery in words!

It is utterly pretentious and naive to assume that just because all life that we knew of required water, or had certain elements composing their bodies that all life in the UNIVERSE does!

As a 10 YEAR OLD CHILD I scoffed at NASA taking any minute signs as water as a sign of life, and ignoring everything else! I had wrongly assumed that they had enough COMMON SENSE to look further!

This embarrasses, no, shames, no, DISGUSTS me that we spent millions of dollars and over 45 years, to come to a conclusion that I MYSELF HAD MADE YEARS AGO!

Ugh, I am so enraged right now, I need to go maim something. (In a video game, mind you, so don't go send SWAT teams on my ass please.)

/END RANT
It's all well and good to say you thought of something like this years ago. Guess what? People have been thinking of it since before you were even born.

But you see, in the world of science proof is the only thing that matters, and now we have real proof.

If you don't think that's a big deal, well, that's your loss, but to be enraged that we spent our time and money to learn something for certain instead of just having a bunch of nerds brainstorm a bit and call it science fact belittles everything science stands for, and you are dangerously ignorant.
It's just that there was nothing ever suggesting that life without water or whatever WASN'T possible, ins't that the entire basis for the scientific theory? Hypothesis, and throw the idea away when something disproves it, not throw it away without proof for it? (in laymans terms anyways)

The whole field of astrobiology is largely speculative anyways, yet NASA limited their own potential and use with their tech and skills in space exploration by limiting the search for ET life to earth like environments.

I understand the importance of this finding towards NORMAL biology, but doesn't expanding the field to space kind of throw most known rules for life out of the book by default? it's the UNIVERSE for gods sake, we don't even know if our definition of life is acceptable for the most part.

For all we know, there could be a sentient race of what looks like a cross between a octopus and a venus flytrap made of Ionized Hydrogen or something, that is born spontaneously and doesn't reproduce! Hell, that could be the most common form of "life" in the universe and we would have no way of knowing!
None of that explains why you might be enraged at us researching this to prove it's possible. Do you think nobody has ever looked for anything besides life exactly like us? We tend to concentrate our effort where it would be most likely though, and now we know to broaden that a bit.

In particular your earlier example of looking for water being a bad idea is just wrong. Water is useful in biology for a lot more reasons than that it simply is a liquid. It's probably possible for life to use other liquids, or even no liquid at all, but H2O is one of the most common compounds in the universe and it's also chemically neutral, which allows it to be used to carry other chemicals around our systems without any kind of special protections. That's a lot of stuff for life to find other ways of replicating, especially considering that it's going to take a lot of things that are all less common than water.

Sure, maybe life has found a way in places where there is no liquid water. Life is good at that, but we have no idea what it might look like, or how to go about finding it, so what good does that possibility do us? It makes a lot more sense to look where we know what we're looking for. Every bit of real knowledge we can gain about how other life might actually work expands our ability to search. Screaming that it's obvious that we don't know everything is unhelpful and, well, obvious.
Well, the way that the media makes it seem like every time there is a slight chance that a planet may or may not have water, and may or may not be possible for life, it seems like scientists are more interested in looking for planets with a few gallons of water as opposed to the bounty of other planets.

Maybe it's not NASA, perhaps it's just the way the media is reporting it; they never talk about NASA looking for life elsewhere.

It doesn't help that I first heard news of possible arsenic based life from this very lake 2 years ago from TIME magazine, so getting everyone all hyped up about something we already knew about...
 
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albino boo said:
Icarion said:
Fronzel said:
Astrobiology Program Director Mary Voytek said the discovery was very much like the classic Star Trek episode "The Devil in the Dark", which introduced the carbon-based life form known as the Horta.
No, the Horta was silicon-based. Carbon based in normal in our experiance.[/nerd]
I know right? Isn't all sentient life on Earth Carbon base?
So is this microbe, it just uses arsenic instead of phosphorus to stick together the the carbon chains in the cell walls. Any good geek knows Silicon based life forms cant exist in oxygen based atmosphere.
Ufortunetly, the extent of my biological knowledge is 7th grade life science. So I don't qualify as a life science geek :(
 

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My real disappointment lies in what most people see in reading this. They don't see just how incredible it is that a lifeform on our own planet made of something that kills most life exists.

This is like the bacteria found growing in nuclear reactors/on the rods.

It's ground breaking in itself because it shows just how flexible and amazing life is and the sheer fact that something like these lifeforms can exist says that it doesn't take an earth like planet to host life.

It goes further and really shows that we might not know where to look in the grand scheme of things.

Life is a very stubborn thing, it finds a way to exist, it always does. And this coupled with the sheer size of the universe just flat says: There is life out there in space, it's more and more impossible for there NOT to be life off this world, we just have to find it.
 

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Great Nasa just great! Thats really really interesting.......Now get to work on my X-Wing fighter you lazy Ba£$%rd's! ;)
 

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Thats it? Big whoop de do /sarcasm.

If it is not biped and has space travel then it is not that important.
Good job showing your ignorance there.

This is HUGE. You may not give a rat's ass, but to anyone who has a fairly decent grasp of what were once called 'the fundamentals of life,' this is a big deal. A super big deal. Like, astronomically big deal (c wut i did thar).

This literally changes everything.
 

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Very cool. Can't wait for idiots to use this as the new Herald of Armageddon for when the Mayan Calendar runs out.

"The microbes are breeding! Soon, we'll be breathing arsenic! We will all die!"

Uh, yeah. There are already trace amounts of Really Bad Shit in the air we breathe already.
Also, if our environment is already pre-conductive towards phosphorics, why are we worried about Arsenics breeding out of control?

...Sorry. I slipped a few months into the future for a second. I'm back in the present now.
 

sooperman

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This is the big announcement? I recall this being on the Science Channel some months ago. It's neat to see further proof of something we already knew, but it didn't amaze me then and it doesn't amaze me now.

If we found a similar specimen on another planet, that's big news. This, though, is just another tiny step in documenting life.
Flying-Emu said:
This literally changes everything.
Gonna have to disagree with you. I can't imagine what this changes. Maybe we add arsenic to the list of the fundamentals of life, but nothing life-changing here.
 

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I have to admit, this is really a huge let down. I know it wasn't going to be like the "aliens" on show's like Doctor Who or the Stargate shows but really? This is the huge thing you teased us all with? I'm sure it's a big deal but to me they really didn't explain why this is so special at all.
 

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This is just the rising action. Next the mars colonist will discover the mass effect technology and we will use it to find methane based life on titan, have it evolve into a mars friendly skin and have it help the mar's colonist make mars more livable on. Then we discover Asari and commander Shepard is born o;
 

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Being a future biochemist myself I have to say I THINK THIS IS SO INSANELY AWESOME! This doesn't just prove that they can replace phosphorus with arsenic, it also means that maybe some of the other supposedly necessary elements could be replaced! (Except hydrogen, there really isn't anything remotely similar to that...) Biology just got a whole new turn to it, this could mean so much, and after I get out of college, I could be part of it! =D
 

Scabadus

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I honestly though this was going to be some sort of new battery for a mars rover, something like that. At best some sort of super powerful microscope or telescope that woud be moderatly cool but totally forgetable.

This though. Ohhhh boy! :D
 

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This is one of those things where I feel like it should've been common sense but due to the way science works it has to be proven before it can be assumed. I mean, why is it such a shocker that life can have traits and attributes that we don't know of, even down to its very molecules? The universe is a huge, huge place, and we don't exactly have complete knowledge of even our own planet. This shouldn't have been such a shocker.
 

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xmbts said:
This is cool substantial and important and everything...but why is NASA studying a lake in California instead of, you know, space and stuff.
something to do with budget cuts i think.