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ElPatron said:
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I would actually be happy as a clam if I could simply run Bastion at a consistent 60 fps.
You can force V-sync in your card definitions, me thinks.

That way you never go above the screen's refresh rate and you don't have to be running your card full power to render frames you can't see that well.
V-sync is a champ right up until the weather effects kick in. Then I have to take v-sync off and pray for 40 fps.
 

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Operating system: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM: 4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series (VISIONTEK)
Corsair 450W will be more than enough with a new GPU. Even this will be plenty:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171042

Your total system TDP will probably be 250W at the most.

And yeah, I'm a system builder in my spare time.
So, taking into account the existing system and an HD 6750 GPU, would this work?

460W Cooler Master [http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-PSAR-J3-US/dp/B002G1YPHK]
 

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Koroviev said:
Wolfram01 said:
Koroviev said:
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Operating system: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM: 4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series (VISIONTEK)
Corsair 450W will be more than enough with a new GPU. Even this will be plenty:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171042

Your total system TDP will probably be 250W at the most.

And yeah, I'm a system builder in my spare time.
So, taking into account the existing system and an HD 6750 GPU, would this work?

460W Cooler Master [http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-PSAR-J3-US/dp/B002G1YPHK]
It will definitely work, but it's not a great PSU.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Elite-Power-460-W-Power-Supply-Review/1005/7

To summarize, this is the exact same PSU as the 400W version but with 1 different part - but they both topped out at 420W and then shut down (no explosions though so it's safe).

According to reviews, an i5 2500k with a 5670 is only pulling 135W in 3DMark 11 so yeah, it's still plenty ok.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-15.html
 

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Wolfram01 said:
Koroviev said:
Wolfram01 said:
Koroviev said:
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Operating system: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM: 4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series (VISIONTEK)
Corsair 450W will be more than enough with a new GPU. Even this will be plenty:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171042

Your total system TDP will probably be 250W at the most.

And yeah, I'm a system builder in my spare time.
So, taking into account the existing system and an HD 6750 GPU, would this work?

460W Cooler Master [http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-PSAR-J3-US/dp/B002G1YPHK]
It will definitely work, but it's not a great PSU.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Elite-Power-460-W-Power-Supply-Review/1005/7

To summarize, this is the exact same PSU as the 400W version but with 1 different part - but they both topped out at 420W and then shut down (no explosions though so it's safe).

According to reviews, an i5 2500k with a 5670 is only pulling 135W in 3DMark 11 so yeah, it's still plenty ok.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-15.html
Okay good, the last thing I need right now is an explosion.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
Koroviev said:
Wolfram01 said:
Koroviev said:
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Operating system: MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM: 4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 533MHz
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series (VISIONTEK)
Corsair 450W will be more than enough with a new GPU. Even this will be plenty:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171042

Your total system TDP will probably be 250W at the most.

And yeah, I'm a system builder in my spare time.
So, taking into account the existing system and an HD 6750 GPU, would this work?

460W Cooler Master [http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-PSAR-J3-US/dp/B002G1YPHK]
It will definitely work, but it's not a great PSU.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Elite-Power-460-W-Power-Supply-Review/1005/7

To summarize, this is the exact same PSU as the 400W version but with 1 different part - but they both topped out at 420W and then shut down (no explosions though so it's safe).

According to reviews, an i5 2500k with a 5670 is only pulling 135W in 3DMark 11 so yeah, it's still plenty ok.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-15.html
Edit: And so that means that the system very likely won't ever get anywhere near the max 420?
 

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My Corsair 580 W runs almost non-stop for three years without a hitch. I'd go for Corsair again.
I understand that Corsair is ideal, but their units are quite expensive. I think I'd have to go with an x670 GPU to make it affordable.
 

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Edit: And so that means that the system very likely won't ever get anywhere near the max 420?
Yes, unless you start doing some big hardware changes. Throwing in an X4 955 BE and overclocking, for example, might be a bad idea.

I would recommend before pulling the trigger on this CM PSU, try to google for deals on Corsair or Antec units and see if you can get a price match maybe at a local store. If not then just go for the CM unit. It'll be fine with your hardware.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
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Edit: And so that means that the system very likely won't ever get anywhere near the max 420?
Yes, unless you start doing some big hardware changes. Throwing in an X4 955 BE and overclocking, for example, might be a bad idea.

I would recommend before pulling the trigger on this CM PSU, try to google for deals on Corsair or Antec units and see if you can get a price match maybe at a local store. If not then just go for the CM unit. It'll be fine with your hardware.
If you don't mind, I'll run it by you before I make a final decision on the PSU. As for the card, I've finally settled on the HD 6750 as a friend agreed to buy a few things from me. Does the card manufacturer matter?
 

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For instance, I'm running a Radeon HD 5770 graphics card and I've got a 750W PSU. You don't want to be running your power supply at full bore all the time, it's bad for it.
That's overkill my friend. Providing that PSU can deliver enough power on the 12V rails you can easily Crossfire with it.

Thing is, people pay way too much attention to a PSU's wattage, and wattage is far from everything. I've seen 1000W PSU's that could do fuck-all. Equally important questions are; is this PSU from a respectable brand (makes them way less likely to hurt your computer if they go down), can this PSU deliver enough power on the right lines and is this PSU efficient?

Especially the latter should be looked at, a PSU with 80%+ efficiency is ideal.

For your computer, a 550W PSU from a respectable brand like Corsair, XFX, Antec or Thermaltake would do the trick just fine. If you're planning on overclocking and/or getting two GPU's in the future, I advice looking for a 650W or 700W PSU.
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Does the card manufacturer matter?
Fairly little. Some manufacturers clock their cards a little higher. The biggest difference is usually in the type of cooler they use. Worth looking at but not that much to worry about.

Also, I reckon that your CPU will be a pretty decent bottleneck when you get that new GPU. Just sayin'. I'm not an expert but it looks pretty weak. Upgrading your videocard won't give you terrific value-for-money when the rest of your PC looks like that. I'd consider waiting, saving a little longer and assemble an entirely new PC from scratch. It's not like a budget gaming rig is very expensive anyway.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
somonels said:
For instance, I'm running a Radeon HD 5770 graphics card and I've got a 750W PSU. You don't want to be running your power supply at full bore all the time, it's bad for it.
That's overkill my friend. Providing that PSU can deliver enough power on the 12V rails you can easily Crossfire with it.

Thing is, people pay way too much attention to a PSU's wattage, and wattage is far from everything. I've seen 1000W PSU's that could do fuck-all. Equally important questions are; is this PSU from a respectable brand (makes them way less likely to hurt your computer if they go down), can this PSU deliver enough power on the right lines and is this PSU efficient?

Especially the latter should be looked at, a PSU with 80%+ efficiency is ideal.

For your computer, a 550W PSU from a respectable brand like Corsair, XFX, Antec or Thermaltake would do the trick just fine. If you're planning on overclocking and/or getting two GPU's in the future, I advice looking for a 650W or 700W PSU.
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Does the card manufacturer matter?
Fairly little. Some manufacturers clock their cards a little higher. The biggest difference is usually in the type of cooler they use. Worth looking at but not that much to worry about.

Also, I reckon that your CPU will be a pretty decent bottleneck when you get that new GPU. Just sayin'.
I'm aware, but I'm not really looking to play Skyrim or anything of that nature. I would be pretty happy if Bioshock or Bastion ran well. I'll probably upgrade the CPU eventually.
 

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I'm aware, but I'm not really looking to play Skyrim or anything of that nature. I would be pretty happy if Bioshock or Bastion ran well. I'll probably upgrade the CPU eventually.
I edited my post. I expected as much, hence why I said budget gaming rig. It's just a silly thing to do when looking at value-for-money.

A Frankenstein PC works for a while, but at one point you pass a threshold after which it's economically just silly to keep upgrading individual parts instead of buying a new PC. Your computer seems to have passed that threshold.

Really, over here you can get a budget gaming rig for under ?400. Not sure how prices are in Russia though.
 

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I'm aware, but I'm not really looking to play Skyrim or anything of that nature. I would be pretty happy if Bioshock or Bastion ran well. I'll probably upgrade the CPU eventually.
I edited my post. I expected as much, hence why I said budget gaming rig. It's just a silly thing to do when looking at value-for-money.

A Frankenstein PC works for a while, but at one point you pass a threshold after which it's economically just silly to keep upgrading individual parts instead of buying a new PC. Your computer seems to have passed that threshold.

Really, over here you can get a budget gaming rig for under ?400. Not sure how prices are in Russia though.
I'm content to play indie games and titles that are a few years old. I've only had this desktop for a few months. It's a refurbished model that I was able to pick up for a little over $300 when my god-forsaken laptop finally died.
 

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I'm content to play indie games and titles that are a few years old. I've only had this desktop for a few months. It's a refurbished model that I was able to pick up for a little over $300 when my god-forsaken laptop finally died.
You bought that for a little over $300? Yikes. But I'm just saying it's a bit silly from an economical p.o.v, that's all. In the long run it'd just be cheaper to buy a better computer now instead of upgrading that Frankenstein PC all the time. Especially if you manage to sell that old one.

I mean, consider that you spend $300 on it initially. Add to that an almost $100 graphics card and, probably a $50+ PSU and, in the near future, a $100-ish CPU. That's an estimated $550 spend on a computer that still runs on, probably, an old motherboard and really slow RAM that'll bottleneck all the upgrades you bought.

Hence why selling that old system for, say, $200 and buying a completely new $500 or even $600 (as you can detract the cash you earn from your old system anyway) computer will be a way smarter economical decision.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
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I'm content to play indie games and titles that are a few years old. I've only had this desktop for a few months. It's a refurbished model that I was able to pick up for a little over $300 when my god-forsaken laptop finally died.
You bought that for a little over $300? Yikes. But I'm just saying it's a bit silly from an economical p.o.v, that's all. In the long run it'd just be cheaper to buy a better computer now. Especially if you manage to sell that old one.
I understand, but that's not going to be for a while. In the next few months, I'm looking at $500 in tuition, $150 in books, and monthly car insurance payments.
 

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Koroviev said:
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Koroviev said:
I'm content to play indie games and titles that are a few years old. I've only had this desktop for a few months. It's a refurbished model that I was able to pick up for a little over $300 when my god-forsaken laptop finally died.
You bought that for a little over $300? Yikes. But I'm just saying it's a bit silly from an economical p.o.v, that's all. In the long run it'd just be cheaper to buy a better computer now. Especially if you manage to sell that old one.
I understand, but that's not going to be for a while. In the next few months, I'm looking at $500 in tuition, $150 in books, and monthly car insurance payments.
Ouch. Well, still consider the little calculation I made in my previous post. Save up the money you want to spend on a PSU and GPU now, set it aside, set aside as much money as possible for a couple months, sell your old PC and get a new one.

In the end, it'll save you money. In the short term it seems more expensive, but you have to look past that. Think long term, especially when you have to manage your money so carefully.

Remember for example that you own a refurbished, older computer. Fat chance that when you upgrade, the older parts run out not that long after. Means you'll keep spending money to keep the ol' chugger going.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
Koroviev said:
Cowabungaa said:
Koroviev said:
I'm content to play indie games and titles that are a few years old. I've only had this desktop for a few months. It's a refurbished model that I was able to pick up for a little over $300 when my god-forsaken laptop finally died.
You bought that for a little over $300? Yikes. But I'm just saying it's a bit silly from an economical p.o.v, that's all. In the long run it'd just be cheaper to buy a better computer now. Especially if you manage to sell that old one.
I understand, but that's not going to be for a while. In the next few months, I'm looking at $500 in tuition, $150 in books, and monthly car insurance payments.
Ouch. Well, still consider the little calculation I made in my previous post. Save up the money you want to spend on a PSU and GPU now, set it aside, set aside as much money as possible for a couple months, sell your old PC and get a new one.

In the end, it'll save you money. In the short term it seems more expensive, but you have to look past that. Think long term.
I'm really not going to have any money to set aside. The only reason I have any extra money right now is because I sold an iPod I wasn't using. My main platform is a PS3. I would simply like a new GPU for better performance in Bastion and other games that come down the Steam sale pike.

Edit: It's really not that old. It was refurbished by the manufacturer after being returned by a previous customer. It's simply a budget desktop.
 

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I'm really not going to have any money to set aside. The only reason I have any extra money right now is because I sold an iPod I wasn't using. My main platform is a PS3. I would simply like a new GPU for better performance in Bastion and other games that come down the Steam sale pike.
Nothing whatsoever? Well, if there's really no chance you can't scrunch up, say, $300 in the next 3-4 months, then fair enough, it can't be helped. Just another case of Samuel Vimes' 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness [http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/vimes].

But in that case, I wouldn't shell out on an HD 6770. Get yourself a cheaper model that needs less power so you can keep your current PSU. The rest of your system will bottleneck a 6770 anyway.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
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I'm really not going to have any money to set aside. The only reason I have any extra money right now is because I sold an iPod I wasn't using. My main platform is a PS3. I would simply like a new GPU for better performance in Bastion and other games that come down the Steam sale pike.
Nothing whatsoever? Well, if there's really no chance you can't scrunch up, say, $300 in the next 3-4 months, then fair enough, it can't be helped. Just another case of Samuel Vimes' 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness [http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/vimes].

But in that case, I wouldn't shell out on an HD 6770. Get yourself a cheaper model that needs less power so you can keep your current one. The rest of your system will bottleneck a 6770 anyway.
This wasn't my ideal PC. It was simply what I could afford at the time. I didn't even pay for it in its entirety. I paid two-thirds of the cost and my parents were generous enough to help me out with the rest.

However, the part about the card is pertinent. Will I be able to capitalize on the potential of an x750, or would I be better off going with an x670? My current card is an x650 and it barely makes the cut in games that are a few years old. It's also not very stable. At the very least, I would like to have a more stable card, preferably one that also provides better performance.
 

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Koroviev said:
However, the part about the card is pertinent. Will I be able to capitalize on the potential of an x750, or would I bet better off going with an x670? My current card is an x650 and it barely makes the cut in games that are a few years old. It's also not very stable. At the very least, I would like to have a more stable card, preferably one that also provides better performance.
Some more in-depth details about your GPU and also your PSU would really help the tech-wizards in this topic.

Am I, by the way, correct in that you've got an ATI Radeon HD 3650?

Taking a quick glance at what you've got though, I'd reckon an 5670 would do you nicely.