Need help with a virus/worm.
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Okay... so... enough with the adverts and scare-tactics, really. I get it, really, but if everyone was so reliant on programs to figure out how modern worms are working, than you wouldn't be able to be so reliant on programs to etc etc.
Listen, I'll make this simple, you can all keep posting about how your programs are infallible, and that by not believing in them, all of my things are infected because I don't really know anything at all.
And while you're all busy not knowing how worms work... maybe somebody who actually knows more modern tricks can message me. I'm trying really hard not to dislike you guys, but assuming that I don't know what my system has, is doing, or anything about computers is starting to get insulting.
Maybe I should tell you guys a little story:
Once upon a time, I also just relied on programs to keep me protected. But then, one day, after cleaning someone's computer using three different programs, I noticed that there was still a virus on the machine. This virus was called Radio and it had three separate programs that ran in tandem... and that reinserted one another in case something happened. And on that day, I learned that programs can be tricked and worked around. So I went and found a new program, named Spybot, and then I learned that programs can be worse than the actual virus. It was then that I remembered safe-mode, and I got rid of Radio myself. And all was good in the land of 2004. The end.
Listen, I'll make this simple, you can all keep posting about how your programs are infallible, and that by not believing in them, all of my things are infected because I don't really know anything at all.
And while you're all busy not knowing how worms work... maybe somebody who actually knows more modern tricks can message me. I'm trying really hard not to dislike you guys, but assuming that I don't know what my system has, is doing, or anything about computers is starting to get insulting.
Maybe I should tell you guys a little story:
Once upon a time, I also just relied on programs to keep me protected. But then, one day, after cleaning someone's computer using three different programs, I noticed that there was still a virus on the machine. This virus was called Radio and it had three separate programs that ran in tandem... and that reinserted one another in case something happened. And on that day, I learned that programs can be tricked and worked around. So I went and found a new program, named Spybot, and then I learned that programs can be worse than the actual virus. It was then that I remembered safe-mode, and I got rid of Radio myself. And all was good in the land of 2004. The end.
I've been using computers for over 20 years. Its OK to let a program do it for you, as long as you've researched the program is capable of doing it for you. Instead of living in a paranoid time wasting your existence, let a few of the programmers out there who cared about their jobs to help you. I gave you two examples that will work for nearly every solution that isn't a week old. Trust them or not, its up to you. But it works for atleast 80% of the planet, so I wouldn't dismiss it quite so readily.Pebkio said:
Even if your dead set against getting a program to stop viruses from infecting your computer at least download malwarebytes and combofix to remove the virus instead of trying to do it yourself.
Malwarebytes will find and remove most common viruses (for free) and if it cant remove them it will give you the name of them so you have a place to start googling from. Combofix will does much the same thing only its more intrusive so i would only use it if you know what your doing with a computer.
Finally I've also been running without virus protection for 3 years now and have only got 1 minor virus. Maybe you should be a bit safer about what your looking at on the web.
Edit: also have you checked your hosts file to see if the virus changed anything there?
Malwarebytes will find and remove most common viruses (for free) and if it cant remove them it will give you the name of them so you have a place to start googling from. Combofix will does much the same thing only its more intrusive so i would only use it if you know what your doing with a computer.
Finally I've also been running without virus protection for 3 years now and have only got 1 minor virus. Maybe you should be a bit safer about what your looking at on the web.
Edit: also have you checked your hosts file to see if the virus changed anything there?
Yeah, it's because you DON'T HAVE A VIRUS PROTECTION PROGRAM!!!!!!!Pebkio said:
Seriously man, there are quite literally hundreds of absolutely free VPP's that you could download in a few minutes, many of which can protect you against most anything shy of a dedicated hacking attempt. Not having some sort of defence is just asking for your computer to get bugged up the ass.
OP: the bug is most likely coming from your browser, rather than on your computer itself. try debugging (or if that doesn't work, reinstalling) your browser and install a VPP add-on for it (I recommend NoScript and AdBlocker). It should solve your problem.
Paranoid much? Just do some research into some other programs, make sure they're reliable for the easier stuff, and if you must handle the large scale things, or any virus/infection the program might not reach, then use your almighty skills to deal with it yourself. It's not hard. I use AVG and it's stopped a Trojan from spreading, so I think that's good enough for me. Don't trust the program? Don't get it. But do some research on them before readily dismissing every single program we suggest to you. You asked for some help, we're giving it to yo, even if it's not exactly what you were expecting. Ok?Pebkio said:
I usually don't pop in on things like this, because quite frankly if you think you are such a l33t techno master then I think you should deal with your own fucking problems and stop asking for and then dismissing the advice of several strangers wasting minutes of their life trying to help you; but this kind of interested me so I'll offer my limited knowledge on the subject for you to regally dismiss.
Viruses these days are very smart, the nastier ones are occasionally made by the dark side of the anon demographic, and unless you work for the government in the anti-cyber terror section, I doubt you're as knowledgeable as some of these malicious knobs, but that's irrelevant here.
I recently had to reformat my laptop do to a very very nasty virus that I got because /I/ thought I was too intelligent to get, one that subtly took over more and more of my computer every time I went into safe mode to try and root it out, and after a while I couldn't even get onto Google because it had gotten to my browser, and I rebooted, looked up avast, installed it, ran it, immediately got 10 critical message about this virus, deleted it, and I haven't so much as gotten a wimpy Trojan since then.
You probably don't even care for my input because you're the t3<hn0 w1z4rd, but why even ask for help from the lowly masses if you aren't even going to fucking listen to us?
Viruses these days are very smart, the nastier ones are occasionally made by the dark side of the anon demographic, and unless you work for the government in the anti-cyber terror section, I doubt you're as knowledgeable as some of these malicious knobs, but that's irrelevant here.
I recently had to reformat my laptop do to a very very nasty virus that I got because /I/ thought I was too intelligent to get, one that subtly took over more and more of my computer every time I went into safe mode to try and root it out, and after a while I couldn't even get onto Google because it had gotten to my browser, and I rebooted, looked up avast, installed it, ran it, immediately got 10 critical message about this virus, deleted it, and I haven't so much as gotten a wimpy Trojan since then.
You probably don't even care for my input because you're the t3<hn0 w1z4rd, but why even ask for help from the lowly masses if you aren't even going to fucking listen to us?
These problems are often resolved by google-fu and sudo.Tharwen said:
Virus/worms/troians/rootkits can f*ck up not only your files but hardware as well...
Your argument is invalid.
Having to use console commands to do simple tasks is a problem in my eyes. Maybe you're fine with that, but most people just don't want to deal with it.JesterRaiin said:These problems are often resolved by google-fu and sudo.Tharwen said:
Virus/worms/troians/rootkits can f*ck up not only your files but hardware as well...
Your argument is invalid.
NO, I'll make this simple, their are a number of folk here that have given good advice, they have given you info about a number of programs, some good some not as good and their are some who have recounted their tales of similar situations and what they have taken away from it.
The consensus is that some sort of AV is a sensible precaution, I would agree I have had several computers over the last 15 years and they have all had some form of Firewall and AV installed and as a result I have never had to deal with a virus on my own computer. Chance s are that their will be a number of other posters here that will share a similar experience and they have expressed the same thought, use an AV of some sort.
The biggest thing that we can take away from this though is that YOU are the one asking US for help, we have given you help and YOU have decided that you know better.
What I would suggest is that you
a). Go download a program called Hijack This (Not AV, not Adware fixer)
b). Save the log that the program creates and then post with details about the issues you are having on the Bleeping Computer forums.
c). Wait till one of the guys there helps you and follow what they say
d). See how far you get when people who know what they are talking about get told that you do not want to install software they are asking you to use to help fix a problem that YOU caused.
I have Avira, but my computer isn't what you call secure, and I've only had a few very minor HTML, and Java based Viruses in the last couple of years, and I downloaded quite a bit, even on some very dodgy sites.Rippzen said:
As long you go on google linked sites, keep your windows firewall on, and don't download Torrents or Porn, or go on any Pornographic website, you will be be fine for the most part, and you probably won't need any Anti Virus whatsoever.
I do think people blow Computer Viruses out of proportion sometimes, hell they even have Anti Virus for frikken Tablets now for fucks sake, and that just takes the biscuit.
99 per cent of all Viruses are made and designed for a Windows based OS, Making Tablet Antivirus absolutely worthless. Fear mongering at it's most finest, or worst as it seems.
Define simple tasks.Tharwen said:Having to use console commands to do simple tasks is a problem in my eyes. Maybe you're fine with that, but most people just don't want to deal with it.JesterRaiin said:These problems are often resolved by google-fu and sudo.
Virus/worms/troians/rootkits can f*ck up not only your files but hardware as well...
Your argument is invalid.
Give examples.
I hate to say this, but your approach is really, really dangerous and anti-social. If you don't use any virus-protection or counter-measure by default, it's very hard to know where to start.
See, I give my folks/friends a hard time already when they come over with USB drives and sticks and they expect me to plug it into any computer beyond the 'dumb' smart TV. That's just not going to happen. I've seen my fair share of malware, and I can tell you that the current breed is just not something I want to grow grey hair over. As with making babies when not wanting to make babies - it's better to be safe than sorry. With so many useful free anti-malware software available, I'd really like to hear your reasoning behind "So I don't use any antivirus software"... you're not just putting your own data at risk, you're being a potential hazard to all your mail-acquaintances, mugbook friends, instant messaging buddies and whatnot. Even if you would not be wielding malware magnet number one (Windows), not using any antivirus/anti-malware solution is really evil.
Modern day malware is perfectly able to start out as a worm, then quickly evolve into a plenty more elaborate headache by downloading further (random) payloads. All your passwords can be collected and added to the black hat folks' rainbow table of silly passwords. Executables can be infected on the fly, detection routines can be bent and tricked, and your only viable option is within the bounds of Dr. Web, 'safe mode' and kissing all your data goodbye and starting from scratch - proper scratch, at the very most convenient worst.
See, I give my folks/friends a hard time already when they come over with USB drives and sticks and they expect me to plug it into any computer beyond the 'dumb' smart TV. That's just not going to happen. I've seen my fair share of malware, and I can tell you that the current breed is just not something I want to grow grey hair over. As with making babies when not wanting to make babies - it's better to be safe than sorry. With so many useful free anti-malware software available, I'd really like to hear your reasoning behind "So I don't use any antivirus software"... you're not just putting your own data at risk, you're being a potential hazard to all your mail-acquaintances, mugbook friends, instant messaging buddies and whatnot. Even if you would not be wielding malware magnet number one (Windows), not using any antivirus/anti-malware solution is really evil.
Modern day malware is perfectly able to start out as a worm, then quickly evolve into a plenty more elaborate headache by downloading further (random) payloads. All your passwords can be collected and added to the black hat folks' rainbow table of silly passwords. Executables can be infected on the fly, detection routines can be bent and tricked, and your only viable option is within the bounds of Dr. Web, 'safe mode' and kissing all your data goodbye and starting from scratch - proper scratch, at the very most convenient worst.
Microsoft Security Essentials. It's Microsoft, free and good at its job. I use it on this piece of 8 year old crap and it doesn't hinder a thing. I've got a pentium 4, 2.6Gh, 2gb RAM computer and I used to have performance problems with McAffee all the time. With Security Essentials I've never had a virus with its firewall though... and I get mods all the time.Pebkio said:
Things like installing drivers, getting software from the online repository for your distro (assuming there is one), and installing Flash.JesterRaiin said:Define simple tasks.Tharwen said:Having to use console commands to do simple tasks is a problem in my eyes. Maybe you're fine with that, but most people just don't want to deal with it.JesterRaiin said:These problems are often resolved by google-fu and sudo.
Virus/worms/troians/rootkits can f*ck up not only your files but hardware as well...
Your argument is invalid.
Give examples.