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deeman010

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I've been working out for the past 2 years and I can't seem to lose any weight. I've been getting stronger as I can lift my own weight and do well over 500 crunches but I can't seem to lose any fats. I'm starting to consider crash dieting then just picking up the slack later on but common sense tells me that doing so is extremely stupid.

I know that this is an extremely odd place to post this but I need some work out advice as my other buff friends are all d bags and give retarded work out advice (works out for them but not applicable to other people). Also, since I frequently lurk here might as well try.

TLDR; Am working out 2+ years. Almost no weight/aesthetic change just strength increase. Help please.
 

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You are doing the wrong sort of exercise, you need more cardio. Cut down on the weights and crunches and do more cardio. I do 10 minutes on the exercise bike, 10 minutes on the cross trainer and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Splitting them up is weights and crunches etc for a full hour. Now I'm 40 so you probably could do more than me but use the 50/50 split as a guide. Weight loss primarily comes sustained cardio workouts rather chin ups and crunches.
 

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This may seem blatantly obvious, but are you basing not losing fat from an actual body fat analyzer that gives you a percentage, or just simply off your weight? If you are going just off your weight, are you sure you aren't replacing body fat with muscle mass? Muscle has a higher density than fat, so it is completely feasible to lose fat and still weigh roughly the same. Just trying to point out the possibly obvious.

Other than that...

albino boo said:
You are doing the wrong sort of exercise, you need more cardio. Cut down on the weights and crunches and do more cardio. I do 10 minutes on the exercise bike, 10 minutes on the cross trainer and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Splitting them up is weights and crunches etc for a full hour. Now I'm 40 so you probably could do more than me but use the 50/50 split as a guide. Weight loss primarily comes sustained cardio workouts rather chin ups and crunches.
What he said.
 

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Im fat so ignore me, but a online freind whos a gym rat told me i should start with weight training for like the first 20mins of my workout, and then do cardio. I honestly dont know why though, he said it was something like, you only burn body fat after the fat from your "blood" is gone first, which takes 20mins, i dunno.
 

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deeman010 said:
TLDR; Am working out 2+ years. Almost no weight/aesthetic change just strength increase. Help please.
How much weight are you looking to lose? Because the bigger you are, the more it's all about diet. In general if you eat less and run (or walk, if you're lacking endurance) 30+ minutes/day you'll lose weight.

Crunches aren't actually a very useful exercise - outside of people who have to do them as part of a fitness test for law enforcement/military/school purposes, you'd be better off doing compound moments for core strength. And when you say you can lift your own weight, in what sense? Depending on the kind of lift that can be either impressive or not very much weight at all (for example: I know people who can deadlift significantly more than their body weight but can't do a single pullup without kipping).

Without specifics of your start point it's hard to say much beyond that.


Rosiv said:
he said it was something like, you only burn body fat after the fat from your "blood" is gone first, which takes 20mins, i dunno.
No offense, but that's just bro-science. Someone who's looking to lose weight just needs to create a calorie deficit, full stop. Even for weight loss with body recomposition (or losing as little muscle as possible while dropping a larger amount of fat), it's more about keeping the deficit a little smaller but working on macronutrient balance (protein ratios, mostly).

albino boo said:
You are doing the wrong sort of exercise, you need more cardio. Cut down on the weights and crunches and do more cardio. I do 10 minutes on the exercise bike, 10 minutes on the cross trainer and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Splitting them up is weights and crunches etc for a full hour. Now I'm 40 so you probably could do more than me but use the 50/50 split as a guide. Weight loss primarily comes sustained cardio workouts rather chin ups and crunches.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as pro-cardio as they come (I'm a runner), but weight loss primarily comes from burning more calories than you consume, so cardio helps but it's not a product of cardio-as-cardio. People can and do lose weight doing strength-based workouts, it's just harder and requires more diet planning.
 

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Raikas said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm as pro-cardio as they come (I'm a runner), but weight loss primarily comes from burning more calories than you consume, so cardio helps but it's not a product of cardio-as-cardio. People can and do lose weight doing strength-based workouts, it's just harder and requires more diet planning.
Sustained moderate cardio exercise at 65% VO2 max results in the maximum use of fat to the total energy expenditure. Using 65% of VO2 max results in fat being 40% to 60% of total, depending on how much you do. Weights are typically anaerobic exercise which is about 75% VO2max. This primarily burns sugars stored in the muscle rather than fat.
 

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albino boo said:
Sustained moderate cardio exercise at 65% VO2 max results in the maximum use of fat to the total energy expenditure. Using 65% of VO2 max results in fat being 40% to 60% of total, depending on how much your do. Weights are typically anaerobic exercise which is about 75% VO2max. This primarily burns sugars stored in the muscle rather than fat.
Yes*, but using stored fat doesn't necessarily equal losing weight - and it has only a partial role in body recomposition (and for someone with a history of lifting, I imagine that's probably part of the goal, although the OP will need to confirm that). It's good advice for general weight loss and I'd totally say the same thing for a fairly sedentary person looking to drop some weight but the OP may be reasonably active already, so that may not be what they're actually looking for.




*In general - there's actually quite a bit of variety in how different people's body's store and spend energy.
 

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Raikas said:
albino boo said:
Sustained moderate cardio exercise at 65% VO2 max results in the maximum use of fat to the total energy expenditure. Using 65% of VO2 max results in fat being 40% to 60% of total, depending on how much your do. Weights are typically anaerobic exercise which is about 75% VO2max. This primarily burns sugars stored in the muscle rather than fat.
Yes*, but using stored fat doesn't necessarily equal losing weight - and it has only a partial role in body recomposition (and for someone with a history of lifting, I imagine that's probably part of the goal, although the OP will need to confirm that). It's good advice for general weight loss and I'd totally say the same thing for a fairly sedentary person looking to drop some weight but the OP may be reasonably active already, so that may not be what they're actually looking for.




*In general - there's actually quite a bit of variety in how different people's body's store and spend energy.
Look The guy has been doing anaerobic exercise for 2 years and has not lost weight, therefore reducing the amount of anaerobic exercise and increasing the amount aerobic exercise will have great chance causing weight loss than his current regime.
 

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albino boo said:
Look The guy has been doing anaerobic exercise for 2 years and has not lost weight, therefore reducing the amount of anaerobic exercise and increasing the amount aerobic exercise will have great chance causing weight loss than his current regime.
Yes, but is that because of his workout routine or is that because of his diet? We don't have enough information to answer that - we don't even know what his "lifting" consists of or if he's fat or just skinny-with-flab - and those are both major details.

Seriously, in my experience (I worked at a gym at university and have been doing do run coaching as a hobby for 6 years now) people can drop weight by changing their routine and diet in almost any way. The powerlifter with the gut will slim down when he starts walking an hour every day and the marathoner with the muffin top will firm up by lifting heavy. A sedentary obese person can lose weight by adding any activity at all or by cutting out any one type of calorie-rich food. People of all types lose weight doing low fat diets and low carb diets and weird-ass infomercial shake diets.

What matters is the balance of activity/intensity/efficiency along with diet - there's no one true way beyond that.
 

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Cardio is the way to go, as everyone says.

Now I'm rather overweight myself, but I know I seriously tried to lose weight years ago. It sort of worked. Some people will always be big no matter what you do.

What I did was an hour of cardio a day (biking, walking, dancing, whatever) along with some weights and yoga. I also cut out practically all carbs and limited myself to about 1200 calories a day. I kept it up for more than three months, and only lost ten pounds. I lost most of my tummy and back rolls, but I didn't even go down a pant size. So I said fuck it after a good cry and went out for food, because it wasn't worth it.


Some people are just big. Don't try and be thin. Try and be healthy, both in food an exercise. And don't push yourself too hard either, take breaks. Have that extra piece of pizza. Don't kill yourself over it.

And everyone's different. So try different things, as people have said. Cut back on one food for a while. Add one kind of exercise. Switch it up, see what works best for you.

There is no magic answer and it's not going to be easy.
 

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Raikas said:
albino boo said:
Look The guy has been doing anaerobic exercise for 2 years and has not lost weight, therefore reducing the amount of anaerobic exercise and increasing the amount aerobic exercise will have great chance causing weight loss than his current regime.
Yes, but is that because of his workout routine or is that because of his diet? We don't have enough information to answer that - we don't even know what his "lifting" consists of or if he's fat or just skinny-with-flab - and those are both major details.

Seriously, in my experience (I worked at a gym at university and have been doing do run coaching as a hobby for 6 years now) people can drop weight by changing their routine and diet in almost any way. The powerlifter with the gut will slim down when he starts walking an hour every day and the marathoner with the muffin top will firm up by lifting heavy. A sedentary obese person can lose weight by adding any activity at all or by cutting out any one type of calorie-rich food. People of all types lose weight doing low fat diets and low carb diets and weird-ass infomercial shake diets.

What matters is the balance of activity/intensity/efficiency along with diet - there's no one true way beyond that.
I have trained regularly for the last 28 years or more years than you have been alive. 25 of those years I played rugby no 8 but I had to give that up due to knee injuries and I now only do 25 mile monthly bike rides with my cycling club and I do 2 weeks cross country skiing every year. Its very simple weight loss = more cardio. If change your diet and do more cardio you will lose weight quicker than just changing your diet. If you don't change your diet and do more cardio you will still lose weight.

Ever heard of when you are in hole stop digging?
 

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albino boo said:
I have trained regularly for the last 28 years or more years than you have been alive. 25 of those years I played rugby no 8 but I had to give that up due to knee injuries and I now only do 25 mile monthly bike rides with my cycling club and I do 2 weeks cross country skiing every year. Its very simple weight loss = more cardio. If change your diet and do more cardio you will lose weight quicker than just changing your diet. If you don't change your diet and do more cardio you will still lose weight.

Ever heard of when you are in hole stop digging?
Well, that's a little snarky. And baffling, because I don't disagree with you on the usefulness of cardio for simple weight loss. In fact, I specifically said I'm pro cardio (I run 70km a week, I clearly love cardio) and that it's always the general recommendation for people whose goal is pure weight loss (the first thing I said to the OP was "eat less and run/walk").

I just said we don't know if the OP actually wants simple weight loss versus body recomposition work since we don't actually know how much weight he wants to lose (or needs to lose). I don't think our our views differ that much at all. I just think we might need more information from the OP to know what he's really looking for and what he really does (his profile has a link to his FB page - it might be an old photo, but he doesn't look like a big guy).


But maybe you've had this conversation with someone else in another thread (or more) and are just tired of it? Because fair enough, but I haven't mentioned my age (I'm 34, for the record), so you might be conflating me with another poster.
 

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albino boo said:
Raikas said:
albino boo said:
Look The guy has been doing anaerobic exercise for 2 years and has not lost weight, therefore reducing the amount of anaerobic exercise and increasing the amount aerobic exercise will have great chance causing weight loss than his current regime.
Yes, but is that because of his workout routine or is that because of his diet? We don't have enough information to answer that - we don't even know what his "lifting" consists of or if he's fat or just skinny-with-flab - and those are both major details.

Seriously, in my experience (I worked at a gym at university and have been doing do run coaching as a hobby for 6 years now) people can drop weight by changing their routine and diet in almost any way. The powerlifter with the gut will slim down when he starts walking an hour every day and the marathoner with the muffin top will firm up by lifting heavy. A sedentary obese person can lose weight by adding any activity at all or by cutting out any one type of calorie-rich food. People of all types lose weight doing low fat diets and low carb diets and weird-ass infomercial shake diets.

What matters is the balance of activity/intensity/efficiency along with diet - there's no one true way beyond that.
I have trained regularly for the last 28 years or more years than you have been alive. 25 of those years I played rugby no 8 but I had to give that up due to knee injuries and I now only do 25 mile monthly bike rides with my cycling club and I do 2 weeks cross country skiing every year. Its very simple weight loss = more cardio. If change your diet and do more cardio you will lose weight quicker than just changing your diet. If you don't change your diet and do more cardio you will still lose weight.

Ever heard of when you are in hole stop digging?
I dont mean to hijack, but you seem to know your stuff :), so ill ask. Ill be dorming at college soon, and be stuck on a meal plan, subjugated to whatever they have at the cafe. What suggestions do you have for a diet that would be optimal for weight loss.(assuming i am doing cardio with it)
 

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Rosiv said:
I dont mean to hijack, but you seem to know your stuff :), so ill ask. Ill be dorming at college soon, and be stuck on a meal plan, subjugated to whatever they have at the cafe. What suggestions do you have for a diet that would be optimal for weight loss.(assuming i am doing cardio with it)
Most programs that have a meal plan, particularly in education, have a nutritional guide line they have to follow. So every meal you eat should be of roughly the right composition. If they have already put together meals, just try to control portions and don't be afraid to throw stuff out. If your doing a decent amount of cardio, I can't imagine you'll have to work to hard on that kind of diet.

If its some pick and choose thing, then try to stay away from a lot of beef. Remember preparation is probably more important then what is in the meal - a grilled steak is probably better then deep fried chicken, but not grilled chicken breast. Eat your mushrooms and vegetables, remember fruit is good but its not free (Calorie wise) and remember that you shouldn't leave your meal hungry, but you shouldn't leave stuffed (Disregard if you're trying to 'shrink your stomach', something I've had to do twice).

Also, here's some tips for people who are trying to switch to a better diet that I found out.

Ground turkey can be WORSE then ground beef fat wise. Be careful if you get it from a kitchen, rather then buying it yourself.

Tuna and Salmon have a ridiculous amount of fat in them compared to other fish. Don't go eating a bunch of it thinking its okay.

If you go out somewhere, don't get the spicy sauce. It's 90% mayonnaise and can, in some cases, doubles the calories of what you're eating.

Don't be afraid of bread. Eating 20 rolls is bad for you. Eating a sandwich is okay.

Kill everyone you meet that suggests Atkins, or a fat (Meat) heavy diet for weight loss. Atkins only works because you're slowly killing yourself.

Oh, and Tilapia, while bland, is very low in calories. At home, and can be seasoned easily with Lemon Pepper.

Lean Ground Turkey with Oregano, Garlic Salt, and Black Pepper wont fool your taste buds when turned into a burger, but its close enough to tickle that part of your brain that screams for beef.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
and remember that you shouldn't leave your meal hungry, but you shouldn't leave stuffed (Disregard if you're trying to 'shrink your stomach', something I've had to do twice).
Thanks for the advice, my mom makes talapia, and its ok i guess. I mean ive eaten vegan food before, and while vegan beef is awful, the vegan chicken patties are pretty decent. The only thing im a bit confused about is your quote to me above. How is leaving stuffed going to shrink ones stomach?
 

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Rosiv said:
AccursedTheory said:
and remember that you shouldn't leave your meal hungry, but you shouldn't leave stuffed (Disregard if you're trying to 'shrink your stomach', something I've had to do twice).
Thanks for the advice, my mom makes talapia, and its ok i guess. I mean ive eaten vegan food before, and while vegan beef is awful, the vegan chicken patties are pretty decent. The only thing im a bit confused about is your quote to me above. How is leaving stuffed going to shrink ones stomach?
Other way round. Leaving hungry can, in affect, shrink ones stomach.

Unless your a massive pig (Like I would be, if I ate what I wanted to), this shouldn't really be an issue. But if you can eat a 4 pound roast by yourself in 20 minutes and still be hungry (Like I used to be able to), then leaving the table feeling a bit starved might actually be a good thing.
 

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deeman010 said:
TLDR; Am working out 2+ years. Almost no weight/aesthetic change just strength increase. Help please.
Hi. I think we need more details.

What's your height and weight?

Am I right in thinking that your current regime consists of just bodyweight exercises, i.e. calisthenics?

Is your goal weight loss, mass gain, strength gain?
 

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Since November I've lost 16 pounds total weight but as I've put on a fair bit of muscle idk how much more fat I've lost.

Some things I've found that work for me is starting small. If you can only do the least intensive version of an exercise do it. Eventually work up to doing the most difficult version.

I used to barely be able to do a push up. Now I can do 20 in a set, and do 2 to 4 sets a day. I do one right when I get out of bed, and then another after I use the restroom so I kind of get my body into gear and sweat a bit before my shower.

Then I pretty much do what ever I feel like. If the weather is bad, I lift weights, do pilates, crunches, and other basic exercises you typically learn in elementary school.

If its nice out I go for a walk. In my case I live a short walk from a hiking trail. It is a mile down hill at a 40 degree angle for half of it over rocky terrain, so you pretty much have to watch where you are going and keep balance or you will be in for an injury. At the end it actually keeps going for longer than I've wanted to explore, but leads down to the river.

I barely break a sweat going down, but it still gives a decent leg workout. Its the coming back up that is the real workout. As I said the path is almost diagonal, so within moments of turning around I'm already feeling it. Now, my lungs are crap because I had to breath smoke since before I was born until I was 17 because my parents were retarded. So while my mother and even my grandfather can manage the trip back up with little effort (seemingly) MY heart is pounding and I'm breathing in a manner that would cause a person with working lungs to hyperventilate.

At the top (easily 200 feet from the lowest point) I sit on a stone barricade thingy to catch my breath and then march home, still going uphill.

I've done this several times now and sadly the only real proof that it is working is that I can do it with fewer pauses on the way back up and unlike the first time I'm still able to walk afterwards. The first time my calves were pretty shredded for 4 days.

The best and simplest way to burn calories is to not sit on your ass in the first place. If you are planning to sit down and watch some tv for a while, you could just as easily be standing up and lifting dumbells, or doing push ups/crunches during commercials. If you are going somewhere nearby, walk there, or ride a bike. If you are reading this and you sitting hunched over and using an arm rest sit up straight and engage those abs.

If I can get in shape with nothing more than a pair of 8 pound dumbbells and some exercises I saw on youtube, then pretty much anyone can.

I started in response to having spent the previous part of last year in a pretty miserable state. I had 2 kidney stones that refused to come quietly and so spent months pretty much huddled in the fetal position or high on painkillers until they finally had to break out the lasers and deal with it. Needless to say, being a lump for the better part of a year tends to turn you into one.

If you can't workout every day like I do, start every other day like I did, and try to mix up what you do. Don't just work your arms all day every day.

Finally and probably most importantly eat well. Try to eat something evert 3-4 hours, and try to eat lots of protein. I tried whey powder and noticed zero benefit for how gross it tasted.

I like cottage cheese, hummus, greek yogurt, honeydew melon, green tea, and multigrain bread/crackers. Things to avoid would be mac and cheese, anything frozen/out of a can, pretty much all chinese food, and anything with the words "diet" or "lite" on the packaging.

I find it much better to do push ups and other ab exercises BEFORE eating or well afterwards. You don't want to be halfway through your set and have to deal with digestive quirks.

I drink primarily water, and more water. This is healthy and practical, but also due to having no money.

TLDR:

By far the best workout I've ever done was water aerobics. I took it a few times in college, and I was typically one of the only guys there and the usually only one in the class under 50. Despite that, its a really good workout if you augment it with heavy water weights like I did. But I haven't had access to that avenue of fitness in many years.
 

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Sorry I haven't replied to anyone (I had tests and parties after those tests).

Raikas said:
How much weight are you looking to lose? Because the bigger you are, the more it's all about diet. In general if you eat less and run (or walk, if you're lacking endurance) 30+ minutes/day you'll lose weight.
Anyway, I weight about 190 pounds and I need to lose at least 20 pounds to be in the "normal range" so there's that. I'm 5'8-5'9. I also have a knee injury so I really need to loose weight or bam busted knees when I'm older.

Raikas said:
And when you say you can lift your own weight, in what sense? Depending on the kind of lift that can be either impressive or not very much weight at all (for example: I know people who can deadlift significantly more than their body weight but can't do a single pullup without kipping).
I can equal my weight on the bench. I can't do any lifts from my knees or I risk damage because I have a knee injury (as previously stated). I can do a few pull-ups and even fewer chin-ups, which my friends find weird. Its probably because I don't really work out my biceps as much as everything else, I also box on the side so there's my larger shoulders.


Rosiv said:
he said it was something like, you only burn body fat after the fat from your "blood" is gone first, which takes 20mins, i dunno.
Interesting.


albino boo said:
You are doing the wrong sort of exercise, you need more cardio. Cut down on the weights and crunches and do more cardio. I do 10 minutes on the exercise bike, 10 minutes on the cross trainer and 10 minutes on the treadmill. Splitting them up is weights and crunches etc for a full hour. Now I'm 40 so you probably could do more than me but use the 50/50 split as a guide. Weight loss primarily comes sustained cardio workouts rather chin ups and crunches.
Will try that. My performance in cardio exercises isn't that impressive though, as I haven't been training recently. 10 minutes on 9 treadmill (I really don't know the unit for speed).

Rosiv said:
Thanks for the advice, my mom makes tilapia, and its ok i guess.
Where do you guys live? The Philippines? If so, cool.