New Botnet Is "Practically Indestructible"

[brainslurper]

Ahhhh my mac has never smelled better. SUCK IT MICROSOFT!

Macs get malware too. The only reason viruses are unheard of is that no one stores anything worthwhile on a mac. However, its WELL known that the mac is hackable even to the biggest noob of hacking.

No shit, anything is hackable. "Macs get malware too" wtf? Of course people make malicious software for mac. The advantage of having a mac is the difficulty of creating a virus for it. I love how you are still defending windows on the comments section of a news article about an indestructible botnet for windows.. sad sad sad... I would try to point out how much important information is stored on macs... But I have explained this so much it is not even funny, and I don't think people like you will be ever truly convinced.

normally yes, but Macs are hackable without any hacking tools. Anyone with Safari could hack macs. You keep trying to say macs don't get viruses, but those are EASILY written. Macs are so few that most don't even bother making viruses for it. That is your only defense, not because viruses are hard to write. Once macs get more numerous, so do viruses. However, the viruses that do infect macs are worse than windows. Once your mac gets a virus, its more infected than a hooker.

The only reason macs are not targets is that they are too few, and more often than not have no data of actual use.

It depends what you define by virus. If you mean something where you go to a certain site, or open an email attachment, a virus that is invisible to the OS installs itself, and begins to infect other files which it hopes will make it to other computers, then no. Macs don't get those. What can happen, is that you download some infected or malicious software, and during the installation for that it does something bad. But it wont be able to spread via email, nor infect other files without the application open. So technically it's not actually a virus. Because 10% of computers made are manufactured by apple, you would think 10% of viruses are for mac computers, unfortunately for your argument, that is not the case.

People make viruses for windows because its 95% of the total PC population. They rather make a virus that infects more people, not less. A mac botnet is useless, because 1,000 people is less desirable than 1,000,000.

Wow, you have ALREADY flopped from the argument of it is equally easy to make OS X viruses to the argument of there are no OS X viruses because of a small market. I think you have your percentages wrong. Much like how 95% of planned parenthood's duties are abortion, windows being 95% of the PC market is also not intended to be a factual statement. 10% of computers manufactured are macs, apple being the fourth largest PC manufacturer in the world. However, OS X as an os has roughly 7-8% of the OS market, GNU/Linux has 4-5% and 1% is "other". I have tried to make a mac virus. Essentially, you would have to hide it in an application, because the victim would have to enter their password 2 times to even start the application, and an additional time for every drive you want to check, and another if you want to get into keychain access to get at saved passwords. For something like this to work practically it would have to be hidden within an application, because nobody is going to enter their password 4+ times because a random program on their computer tells them too. At that point it's just malware dude.

You would be amazed at what people would do when a program asks them to out of ignorance. I seen a mac owner in her pajamas not even know how to make a CD play in a Best Buy. I was citing an older statistic, where Macs weren't all that popular. The moment she walked out of earshot, the guys started laughing. Its easy to write a virus or malware for anything once you know the basics. Security on any computer is a joke, not even able to fend off a basic attack. Mac security is no security. Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds.

You try to make Mac security into something its not. Macs are easy to exploit, but not numerous and not important enough to warrant dedication.

No, what I am saying is at the point where you have to enter your password 6 times in order for the virus to access confidential information it gets pointless, and the dev goes to windows where it is much easier to make a completely undetectable virus that can download itself without user detection and begin infecting any file on the computer, with no authentication whatsoever. And if the infected person was to email one of the files, the file could easily infect all the files on the other users computer. Also "Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds" does that make any sense at all?

When it comes to viruses and hackers, security of all forms are useless. They don't go by what security says, they find a hole and exploit it. Any worthwhile virus or hacker bypasses all defenses, not follow them. If a virus is stopped by defenses, then its not a virus. Its just an outdated relic, an annoyance. Real viruses, however, are much more dangerous and will turn any computer into a puppet. There is no stopping viruses, malware, etc. To say macs are safer is like saying everyone else but nuclear plant workers are safe from cancer.

What I am saying is that you are less likely to get cancer if you live in a universe without radiation.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Time to make a virus that not only detects if they have ever posted an anti mac comment, but then proceeds to invade their webcam, waits until their hair is near their computer, then causes the computer to spontaneously combust. I think that is very very illegal. Yeah I am pretty sure.

A more practical solution would be to stop using windows...

So wait, you want all those dickholes who made fun of Mac to start using Mac too? Really?? That'd work? They'd still be dickholes.

Windows has a lot of legitimate and varied uses in a lot of casual and professional capacities, I don't see how "you might possibly get infected one day in the distant future" should be any reason to make me swap from the machine I play Crysis 2 on. Or indeed, why I can't just have a PC and a Mac. If I can have an Xbox and a PS3 sharing the same TV I'm sure there's room for both my very expensive gaming machine d'joure and a platform for ProTools to work on without bugging out every 10 minutes.

 

[brainslurper]

Ahhhh my mac has never smelled better. SUCK IT MICROSOFT!

Macs get malware too. The only reason viruses are unheard of is that no one stores anything worthwhile on a mac. However, its WELL known that the mac is hackable even to the biggest noob of hacking.

No shit, anything is hackable. "Macs get malware too" wtf? Of course people make malicious software for mac. The advantage of having a mac is the difficulty of creating a virus for it. I love how you are still defending windows on the comments section of a news article about an indestructible botnet for windows.. sad sad sad... I would try to point out how much important information is stored on macs... But I have explained this so much it is not even funny, and I don't think people like you will be ever truly convinced.

normally yes, but Macs are hackable without any hacking tools. Anyone with Safari could hack macs. You keep trying to say macs don't get viruses, but those are EASILY written. Macs are so few that most don't even bother making viruses for it. That is your only defense, not because viruses are hard to write. Once macs get more numerous, so do viruses. However, the viruses that do infect macs are worse than windows. Once your mac gets a virus, its more infected than a hooker.

The only reason macs are not targets is that they are too few, and more often than not have no data of actual use.

It depends what you define by virus. If you mean something where you go to a certain site, or open an email attachment, a virus that is invisible to the OS installs itself, and begins to infect other files which it hopes will make it to other computers, then no. Macs don't get those. What can happen, is that you download some infected or malicious software, and during the installation for that it does something bad. But it wont be able to spread via email, nor infect other files without the application open. So technically it's not actually a virus. Because 10% of computers made are manufactured by apple, you would think 10% of viruses are for mac computers, unfortunately for your argument, that is not the case.

People make viruses for windows because its 95% of the total PC population. They rather make a virus that infects more people, not less. A mac botnet is useless, because 1,000 people is less desirable than 1,000,000.

Wow, you have ALREADY flopped from the argument of it is equally easy to make OS X viruses to the argument of there are no OS X viruses because of a small market. I think you have your percentages wrong. Much like how 95% of planned parenthood's duties are abortion, windows being 95% of the PC market is also not intended to be a factual statement. 10% of computers manufactured are macs, apple being the fourth largest PC manufacturer in the world. However, OS X as an os has roughly 7-8% of the OS market, GNU/Linux has 4-5% and 1% is "other". I have tried to make a mac virus. Essentially, you would have to hide it in an application, because the victim would have to enter their password 2 times to even start the application, and an additional time for every drive you want to check, and another if you want to get into keychain access to get at saved passwords. For something like this to work practically it would have to be hidden within an application, because nobody is going to enter their password 4+ times because a random program on their computer tells them too. At that point it's just malware dude.

You would be amazed at what people would do when a program asks them to out of ignorance. I seen a mac owner in her pajamas not even know how to make a CD play in a Best Buy. I was citing an older statistic, where Macs weren't all that popular. The moment she walked out of earshot, the guys started laughing. Its easy to write a virus or malware for anything once you know the basics. Security on any computer is a joke, not even able to fend off a basic attack. Mac security is no security. Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds.

You try to make Mac security into something its not. Macs are easy to exploit, but not numerous and not important enough to warrant dedication.

No, what I am saying is at the point where you have to enter your password 6 times in order for the virus to access confidential information it gets pointless, and the dev goes to windows where it is much easier to make a completely undetectable virus that can download itself without user detection and begin infecting any file on the computer, with no authentication whatsoever. And if the infected person was to email one of the files, the file could easily infect all the files on the other users computer. Also "Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds" does that make any sense at all?

When it comes to viruses and hackers, security of all forms are useless. They don't go by what security says, they find a hole and exploit it. Any worthwhile virus or hacker bypasses all defenses, not follow them. If a virus is stopped by defenses, then its not a virus. Its just an outdated relic, an annoyance. Real viruses, however, are much more dangerous and will turn any computer into a puppet. There is no stopping viruses, malware, etc. To say macs are safer is like saying everyone else but nuclear plant workers are safe from cancer.

What I am saying is that you are less likely to get cancer if you live in a universe without radiation.

Except that is a wishful fantasy. Mac is in the world of radiation as well, and instead has no radiation protection.

I thought you just said that there wasn't enough macs for there to be developers creating viruses for that platform? You have changed argument like 3 times now. There are trojans for OS X, but there is nothing that can be genuinely defined as a virus for OS X. Just as you can get cancer from sources other then radiation. I think.

 

[brainslurper]

Ahhhh my mac has never smelled better. SUCK IT MICROSOFT!

Macs get malware too. The only reason viruses are unheard of is that no one stores anything worthwhile on a mac. However, its WELL known that the mac is hackable even to the biggest noob of hacking.

No shit, anything is hackable. "Macs get malware too" wtf? Of course people make malicious software for mac. The advantage of having a mac is the difficulty of creating a virus for it. I love how you are still defending windows on the comments section of a news article about an indestructible botnet for windows.. sad sad sad... I would try to point out how much important information is stored on macs... But I have explained this so much it is not even funny, and I don't think people like you will be ever truly convinced.

normally yes, but Macs are hackable without any hacking tools. Anyone with Safari could hack macs. You keep trying to say macs don't get viruses, but those are EASILY written. Macs are so few that most don't even bother making viruses for it. That is your only defense, not because viruses are hard to write. Once macs get more numerous, so do viruses. However, the viruses that do infect macs are worse than windows. Once your mac gets a virus, its more infected than a hooker.

The only reason macs are not targets is that they are too few, and more often than not have no data of actual use.

It depends what you define by virus. If you mean something where you go to a certain site, or open an email attachment, a virus that is invisible to the OS installs itself, and begins to infect other files which it hopes will make it to other computers, then no. Macs don't get those. What can happen, is that you download some infected or malicious software, and during the installation for that it does something bad. But it wont be able to spread via email, nor infect other files without the application open. So technically it's not actually a virus. Because 10% of computers made are manufactured by apple, you would think 10% of viruses are for mac computers, unfortunately for your argument, that is not the case.

People make viruses for windows because its 95% of the total PC population. They rather make a virus that infects more people, not less. A mac botnet is useless, because 1,000 people is less desirable than 1,000,000.

Wow, you have ALREADY flopped from the argument of it is equally easy to make OS X viruses to the argument of there are no OS X viruses because of a small market. I think you have your percentages wrong. Much like how 95% of planned parenthood's duties are abortion, windows being 95% of the PC market is also not intended to be a factual statement. 10% of computers manufactured are macs, apple being the fourth largest PC manufacturer in the world. However, OS X as an os has roughly 7-8% of the OS market, GNU/Linux has 4-5% and 1% is "other". I have tried to make a mac virus. Essentially, you would have to hide it in an application, because the victim would have to enter their password 2 times to even start the application, and an additional time for every drive you want to check, and another if you want to get into keychain access to get at saved passwords. For something like this to work practically it would have to be hidden within an application, because nobody is going to enter their password 4+ times because a random program on their computer tells them too. At that point it's just malware dude.

You would be amazed at what people would do when a program asks them to out of ignorance. I seen a mac owner in her pajamas not even know how to make a CD play in a Best Buy. I was citing an older statistic, where Macs weren't all that popular. The moment she walked out of earshot, the guys started laughing. Its easy to write a virus or malware for anything once you know the basics. Security on any computer is a joke, not even able to fend off a basic attack. Mac security is no security. Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds.

You try to make Mac security into something its not. Macs are easy to exploit, but not numerous and not important enough to warrant dedication.

No, what I am saying is at the point where you have to enter your password 6 times in order for the virus to access confidential information it gets pointless, and the dev goes to windows where it is much easier to make a completely undetectable virus that can download itself without user detection and begin infecting any file on the computer, with no authentication whatsoever. And if the infected person was to email one of the files, the file could easily infect all the files on the other users computer. Also "Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds" does that make any sense at all?

When it comes to viruses and hackers, security of all forms are useless. They don't go by what security says, they find a hole and exploit it. Any worthwhile virus or hacker bypasses all defenses, not follow them. If a virus is stopped by defenses, then its not a virus. Its just an outdated relic, an annoyance. Real viruses, however, are much more dangerous and will turn any computer into a puppet. There is no stopping viruses, malware, etc. To say macs are safer is like saying everyone else but nuclear plant workers are safe from cancer.

What I am saying is that you are less likely to get cancer if you live in a universe without radiation.

Except that is a wishful fantasy. Mac is in the world of radiation as well, and instead has no radiation protection.

I thought you just said that there wasn't enough macs for there to be developers creating viruses for that platform? You have changed argument like 3 times now. There are trojans for OS X, but there is nothing that can be genuinely defined as a virus for OS X. Just as you can get cancer from sources other then radiation. I think.

I said that most would go to Windows because Macs are largely useless unless they con tinue to grow.

That claim would be valid if
A: Macs were largely useless
B: There were actual viruses on OS X

 

[brainslurper]

Time to make a virus that not only detects if they have ever posted an anti mac comment, but then proceeds to invade their webcam, waits until their hair is near their computer, then causes the computer to spontaneously combust. I think that is very very illegal. Yeah I am pretty sure.

A more practical solution would be to stop using windows...

So wait, you want all those dickholes who made fun of Mac to start using Mac too? Really?? That'd work? They'd still be dickholes.

Windows has a lot of legitimate and varied uses in a lot of casual and professional capacities, I don't see how "you might possibly get infected one day in the distant future" should be any reason to make me swap from the machine I play Crysis 2 on. Or indeed, why I can't just have a PC and a Mac. If I can have an Xbox and a PS3 sharing the same TV I'm sure there's room for both my very expensive gaming machine d'joure and a platform for ProTools to work on without bugging out every 10 minutes.

The only reason I have a windows machine is because the only data on it is steam games, and since saves go to the steam servers and I can always redownload the games I have nothing to lose. There is no way I would trust a windows machine to run a minecraft server, or host 3 websites that require constant data flow in and out. Also I find creative suite to be much easier to work with on OS X. Also final cut. I don't think the dickholes WOULD go to mac, so maybe everyone else can and then apple can sell us ALL overpriced hardware? We can be ripped off together!

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

snip

If I had to host a server I'd probably use Linux or Ubuntu.

 

[jakeblues1295]

"All hail Sk...Botnet, our all powerful overlords."

 

[brainslurper]

snip

If I had to host a server I'd probably use Linux or Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is an OS based off the linux kernel, as OS X is based off the unix kernel. In my experience Ubuntu works better when you have multiple weak computers hosting the same thing. However, for a single host computer I find OS X to be superior for hosting multiple sites, and because it uses the same terminal as Ubuntu you host the same way for game servers.

 

[brainslurper]

Ahhhh my mac has never smelled better. SUCK IT MICROSOFT!

Macs get malware too. The only reason viruses are unheard of is that no one stores anything worthwhile on a mac. However, its WELL known that the mac is hackable even to the biggest noob of hacking.

No shit, anything is hackable. "Macs get malware too" wtf? Of course people make malicious software for mac. The advantage of having a mac is the difficulty of creating a virus for it. I love how you are still defending windows on the comments section of a news article about an indestructible botnet for windows.. sad sad sad... I would try to point out how much important information is stored on macs... But I have explained this so much it is not even funny, and I don't think people like you will be ever truly convinced.

normally yes, but Macs are hackable without any hacking tools. Anyone with Safari could hack macs. You keep trying to say macs don't get viruses, but those are EASILY written. Macs are so few that most don't even bother making viruses for it. That is your only defense, not because viruses are hard to write. Once macs get more numerous, so do viruses. However, the viruses that do infect macs are worse than windows. Once your mac gets a virus, its more infected than a hooker.

The only reason macs are not targets is that they are too few, and more often than not have no data of actual use.

It depends what you define by virus. If you mean something where you go to a certain site, or open an email attachment, a virus that is invisible to the OS installs itself, and begins to infect other files which it hopes will make it to other computers, then no. Macs don't get those. What can happen, is that you download some infected or malicious software, and during the installation for that it does something bad. But it wont be able to spread via email, nor infect other files without the application open. So technically it's not actually a virus. Because 10% of computers made are manufactured by apple, you would think 10% of viruses are for mac computers, unfortunately for your argument, that is not the case.

People make viruses for windows because its 95% of the total PC population. They rather make a virus that infects more people, not less. A mac botnet is useless, because 1,000 people is less desirable than 1,000,000.

Wow, you have ALREADY flopped from the argument of it is equally easy to make OS X viruses to the argument of there are no OS X viruses because of a small market. I think you have your percentages wrong. Much like how 95% of planned parenthood's duties are abortion, windows being 95% of the PC market is also not intended to be a factual statement. 10% of computers manufactured are macs, apple being the fourth largest PC manufacturer in the world. However, OS X as an os has roughly 7-8% of the OS market, GNU/Linux has 4-5% and 1% is "other". I have tried to make a mac virus. Essentially, you would have to hide it in an application, because the victim would have to enter their password 2 times to even start the application, and an additional time for every drive you want to check, and another if you want to get into keychain access to get at saved passwords. For something like this to work practically it would have to be hidden within an application, because nobody is going to enter their password 4+ times because a random program on their computer tells them too. At that point it's just malware dude.

You would be amazed at what people would do when a program asks them to out of ignorance. I seen a mac owner in her pajamas not even know how to make a CD play in a Best Buy. I was citing an older statistic, where Macs weren't all that popular. The moment she walked out of earshot, the guys started laughing. Its easy to write a virus or malware for anything once you know the basics. Security on any computer is a joke, not even able to fend off a basic attack. Mac security is no security. Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds.

You try to make Mac security into something its not. Macs are easy to exploit, but not numerous and not important enough to warrant dedication.

No, what I am saying is at the point where you have to enter your password 6 times in order for the virus to access confidential information it gets pointless, and the dev goes to windows where it is much easier to make a completely undetectable virus that can download itself without user detection and begin infecting any file on the computer, with no authentication whatsoever. And if the infected person was to email one of the files, the file could easily infect all the files on the other users computer. Also "Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds" does that make any sense at all?

When it comes to viruses and hackers, security of all forms are useless. They don't go by what security says, they find a hole and exploit it. Any worthwhile virus or hacker bypasses all defenses, not follow them. If a virus is stopped by defenses, then its not a virus. Its just an outdated relic, an annoyance. Real viruses, however, are much more dangerous and will turn any computer into a puppet. There is no stopping viruses, malware, etc. To say macs are safer is like saying everyone else but nuclear plant workers are safe from cancer.

What I am saying is that you are less likely to get cancer if you live in a universe without radiation.

Except that is a wishful fantasy. Mac is in the world of radiation as well, and instead has no radiation protection.

I thought you just said that there wasn't enough macs for there to be developers creating viruses for that platform? You have changed argument like 3 times now. There are trojans for OS X, but there is nothing that can be genuinely defined as a virus for OS X. Just as you can get cancer from sources other then radiation. I think.

I said that most would go to Windows because Macs are largely useless unless they con tinue to grow.

That claim would be valid if
A: Macs were largely useless
B: There were actual viruses on OS X

To a hacker, they are useless. There are not enough macs to have an actual dedication beyond mere meddling. However, Botnets for macs have existed since 2009 (first mac virus was in 1994) when Apple started to get aggressive in their marketing.

Okay, if we are making accusations about an operating systems value based on market share, I am going to go ahead and say ubuntu is completely worthless. There is nothing you could possibly gain by making a virus for ubuntu. But just because I said that, does that somehow make that statement correct? Currently there is not a single virus capable of running in a Mac OS X environment, and there is one functioning trojan. There are thousands of viruses for windows 7, and the fact that there are zero for OS X is so outrageously disproportional to OS X's market share the whole safety through obscurity thing makes no sense. If you are honestly saying that there are 0 OS X viruses because of a market share, not because OS X does not allow users to write run executable code outside their own memory, then you are making an argument that lacks any logical or factual grounding whatsoever. Come up with an argument that makes sense, then come and talk to me.

 

[smartengine]

well... now we know what anonymous is using for it's DDOS attacks .

 

[Torrasque]

Well that is really cool.

I want to say that this Botnet is just waiting until it infects every computer in existence before suddenly destroying all of mankind in a single horrible sweep *cough*Skynet*cough*, and that it is benevolent until it decides otherwise... but that is just wishful thinking.
Cool that it deters other viruses, not cool that it itself is a virus.

 

[FuktLogik]

Maybe for inept users it's indestructible. Boot Nuke + fresh install = no more infections of any kind.

 

[Pendragon9]

Is there a way to check whether or not you're infected? I don't wanna be an unwilling slave to cyber terrorism.

 

[devotedsniper]

I don't see why anti virus makers are having an issue here the MBR can be easily found as its just a hidden partition on the OS hard drive... Even the standard windows install wipe system they have can get rid of it (when i say get rid of i mean delete the partition, it's still there but it doesn't have any paths to it from the filing system and is just left to be overwritten by new data).

 

[brainslurper]

Ahhhh my mac has never smelled better. SUCK IT MICROSOFT!

Macs get malware too. The only reason viruses are unheard of is that no one stores anything worthwhile on a mac. However, its WELL known that the mac is hackable even to the biggest noob of hacking.

No shit, anything is hackable. "Macs get malware too" wtf? Of course people make malicious software for mac. The advantage of having a mac is the difficulty of creating a virus for it. I love how you are still defending windows on the comments section of a news article about an indestructible botnet for windows.. sad sad sad... I would try to point out how much important information is stored on macs... But I have explained this so much it is not even funny, and I don't think people like you will be ever truly convinced.

normally yes, but Macs are hackable without any hacking tools. Anyone with Safari could hack macs. You keep trying to say macs don't get viruses, but those are EASILY written. Macs are so few that most don't even bother making viruses for it. That is your only defense, not because viruses are hard to write. Once macs get more numerous, so do viruses. However, the viruses that do infect macs are worse than windows. Once your mac gets a virus, its more infected than a hooker.

The only reason macs are not targets is that they are too few, and more often than not have no data of actual use.

It depends what you define by virus. If you mean something where you go to a certain site, or open an email attachment, a virus that is invisible to the OS installs itself, and begins to infect other files which it hopes will make it to other computers, then no. Macs don't get those. What can happen, is that you download some infected or malicious software, and during the installation for that it does something bad. But it wont be able to spread via email, nor infect other files without the application open. So technically it's not actually a virus. Because 10% of computers made are manufactured by apple, you would think 10% of viruses are for mac computers, unfortunately for your argument, that is not the case.

People make viruses for windows because its 95% of the total PC population. They rather make a virus that infects more people, not less. A mac botnet is useless, because 1,000 people is less desirable than 1,000,000.

Wow, you have ALREADY flopped from the argument of it is equally easy to make OS X viruses to the argument of there are no OS X viruses because of a small market. I think you have your percentages wrong. Much like how 95% of planned parenthood's duties are abortion, windows being 95% of the PC market is also not intended to be a factual statement. 10% of computers manufactured are macs, apple being the fourth largest PC manufacturer in the world. However, OS X as an os has roughly 7-8% of the OS market, GNU/Linux has 4-5% and 1% is "other". I have tried to make a mac virus. Essentially, you would have to hide it in an application, because the victim would have to enter their password 2 times to even start the application, and an additional time for every drive you want to check, and another if you want to get into keychain access to get at saved passwords. For something like this to work practically it would have to be hidden within an application, because nobody is going to enter their password 4+ times because a random program on their computer tells them too. At that point it's just malware dude.

You would be amazed at what people would do when a program asks them to out of ignorance. I seen a mac owner in her pajamas not even know how to make a CD play in a Best Buy. I was citing an older statistic, where Macs weren't all that popular. The moment she walked out of earshot, the guys started laughing. Its easy to write a virus or malware for anything once you know the basics. Security on any computer is a joke, not even able to fend off a basic attack. Mac security is no security. Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds.

You try to make Mac security into something its not. Macs are easy to exploit, but not numerous and not important enough to warrant dedication.

No, what I am saying is at the point where you have to enter your password 6 times in order for the virus to access confidential information it gets pointless, and the dev goes to windows where it is much easier to make a completely undetectable virus that can download itself without user detection and begin infecting any file on the computer, with no authentication whatsoever. And if the infected person was to email one of the files, the file could easily infect all the files on the other users computer. Also "Hell, it only takes Safari to hack a mac in under 10 seconds" does that make any sense at all?

When it comes to viruses and hackers, security of all forms are useless. They don't go by what security says, they find a hole and exploit it. Any worthwhile virus or hacker bypasses all defenses, not follow them. If a virus is stopped by defenses, then its not a virus. Its just an outdated relic, an annoyance. Real viruses, however, are much more dangerous and will turn any computer into a puppet. There is no stopping viruses, malware, etc. To say macs are safer is like saying everyone else but nuclear plant workers are safe from cancer.

What I am saying is that you are less likely to get cancer if you live in a universe without radiation.

Except that is a wishful fantasy. Mac is in the world of radiation as well, and instead has no radiation protection.

I thought you just said that there wasn't enough macs for there to be developers creating viruses for that platform? You have changed argument like 3 times now. There are trojans for OS X, but there is nothing that can be genuinely defined as a virus for OS X. Just as you can get cancer from sources other then radiation. I think.

I said that most would go to Windows because Macs are largely useless unless they con tinue to grow.

That claim would be valid if
A: Macs were largely useless
B: There were actual viruses on OS X

To a hacker, they are useless. There are not enough macs to have an actual dedication beyond mere meddling. However, Botnets for macs have existed since 2009 (first mac virus was in 1994) when Apple started to get aggressive in their marketing.

Okay, if we are making accusations about an operating systems value based on market share, I am going to go ahead and say ubuntu is completely worthless. There is nothing you could possibly gain by making a virus for ubuntu. But just because I said that, does that somehow make that statement correct? Currently there is not a single virus capable of running in a Mac OS X environment, and there is one functioning trojan. There are thousands of viruses for windows 7, and the fact that there are zero for OS X is so outrageously disproportional to OS X's market share the whole safety through obscurity thing makes no sense. If you are honestly saying that there are 0 OS X viruses because of a market share, not because OS X does not allow users to write run executable code outside their own memory, then you are making an argument that lacks any logical or factual grounding whatsoever. Come up with an argument that makes sense, then come and talk to me.

I am saying Mac viruses are lower because no one bothers, not zero. You continue to go off on rants not even related to what I am saying, and in multiple cases not even understand what I say at all. There is literally nothing to gain most of the time. You could write a virus and hope that some fool would get infected, but even then it would take quite a while before enough computers are infected for it to be worthwhile.

There are many viruses for mac, the first botnet made for macs was made in 2009. You can go up and down claiming that computers don't allow this and that due to security, but at the end of the day a virus makes the computer a puppet through exploits. It doesn't follow security like you do. Viruses never play by your rules or the computer's rules. It bypasses them completely. A mac can be attacked much like a PC, and the talented hackers (the real ones, the kind that have actual organization. This means hacker groups much like Lulzsec don't have it.) already have a fill-in-the-blanks program they need to infect millions of mac users, much like the ones Windows has.

Yes, but the issue is that what you are saying isn't true. The mac botnet works via malware, not a self replicating virus. The reason there is no viruses for OS X is because it is more difficult to make them, not because of market share. I don't know many times I am going to have to say this before you will accept it.