New development on the HIV front

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ILPPendant

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NewScientist: HIV vaccine turns muscle into antibody factories [http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227094.700-hiv-vaccine-turns-muscle-into-antibody-factories.html]

By injecting a different virus into muscle tissue, scientists seem to have created a new approach to attacking HIV: rather than simply prime the immune system against infection in the traditional sense, muscle cells are induced into producing an antibody that can attack the viruses.

As a consequence, rather than participate in a futile arms race against a virus that can adapt to anything the immune system throws at it, the "modified" muscle cells can produce immunoadhesins unmolested.

So far, the principle has been tested on monkeys with SIV with notable success - none of the macaques has suffered infection after been "vaccinated" and subsequently exposed to SIV whereas two thirds of the macaques that did not receive the vaccine died of monkey AIDS.

It remains to be seen whether this will eventually be something else the virus adapts to, but so far things are looking good.


You can read the actual paper here. [http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nm.1967.html] However, unless you have or are prepared to give Nature some of your money then you won't be able to read more than the abstract.
 

Skeleon

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The abstract is enough for now.
Wow, this is amazing.
But I wonder why the HIV can't adapt to these immunoadhesins.
I'll have to look into this.
 

Anachronism

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I have a feeling I've seen this somewhere before. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/91880-Genetics-Research-Offers-Hope-For-HIV-Cure]
 

Cheesus333

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Gormourn said:
I bet it also has zombifying side effects. Just, you know, to quell the thirst of zombies clearly experienced by many people here on Escapist.
Throwing around words like 'T-lymphocyte' and 'T-Cell' would create that impression.
 

Ridergurl10

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I'm also seeing a little bit of I Am Legend here as well, modifying things . . . hmmmm

Otherwise it sounds really interesting, hope it works out in the long run!
 

UberMore

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Holy crap...well, i hope this goes somewhere good.
And I hope the I Am Legend thing doesn't happen.
 

RavingPenguin

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Zombie_Fish said:
The idea does seem logical and could work if it is a success.
The second half of that sentence seems redundant to me.
Anyway, if this does work mother nature will just find another way to kill us off.
 

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Skeleon said:
But I wonder why the HIV can't adapt to these immunoadhesins.
Well, either it just hasn't yet or it's like during the American Revolution where Britain stood their in ranks and the Americans used guerrilla warfare and they Britain did know how to combat that (without using "ungentlemanly" tactics themselves).

*note* I am pigeon holing my statements to keep the simile short don't flame me too much for my historical inaccuracies.
 

Bofus Teefus

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It will be interesting to see what the effects are on the muscle of the monkeys over time. A vaccine that kills off your muscle and shortens your lifespan overall through muscle degeneration (possibly) might not be such a good trade. Very interesting way to go about it, though.
ILPPendant said:
Well, I do feel a little stupid now.
Happens to the best of us.

*pats head*

Now run along.
 

blackcherry

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Well, I can hope this works. I would imagine that eventually the virus will adapt, and as everyday we have more virus carriers being produced than any government would be willing to inoculate, I'm sure the virus will be around for a while still.

But hey, here hoping.
 

Therumancer

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Sounds like a good thing overall, I'm not an anti-science luddite. There are always risks, but I hope they go ahead with this big time. Even if HIV later adapts, it will at least save some people in the short term.

If we have a zombie outbreak, I imagine it will be a cooler way to go than most. :p
 

Zombie_Fish

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RavingPenguin said:
Zombie_Fish said:
The idea does seem logical and could work if it is a success.
The second half of that sentence seems redundant to me.
Anyway, if this does work mother nature will just find another way to kill us off.
Course it will. It always does.
 

Skeleon

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crudus said:
Well, either it just hasn't yet or it's like during the American Revolution where Britain stood their in ranks and the Americans used guerrilla warfare and they Britain did know how to combat that (without using "ungentlemanly" tactics themselves).
But that's the thing: HIV is the master at "guerrilla warfare". That's why our own immune systems can't cope.

Also, its rate of mutation is pretty high (it has very bad enzymes for genetic reproduction, they make lots of mistakes, mutations and thus make for a higher rate of adaption).
Might be that, since the monkey aren't infected in the first place, the virus doesn't get a chance to mutate.
But what if you introduce an already mutated strain from another monkey?
Are these immunoadhesins working against very basic, conserved structures of the virus?

Then this might work.
But still, I'm expecting it to need regular "updates" because of the high mutation rate.