New Force Unleashed Trailer and now Gameplay vid

[EscapeGoat_v1legacy]

That looked pretty funky, although there wasn't any actual gameplay, so I'll reserve my comments about the game itself when I see it. I'll be very disappointed if Starkiller Version 2.0 isn't that powerful in-game.

Also, dual lightsabers are totally freaking awesome. And with dual Shien-grip[footnote]There's a little bit of Star Wars nerdism for ya[/footnote] action as well.

 

[Serkus]

Yep, looks like I'm going to be getting this. I just can't resist force powers/lightsaber and I'm not even a big Star Wars fan.

 

[Ldude893]

Damn...did he just disintegrate Stormtroopers with his force powers?

 

[starhaven]

oh christ again why dont the strom troopers have night sight, were the fuck did he get the lightsabers from, why did the strom troopers with guns run in to close range against a guy with light sabers? and why are them massive droids in no other starwars so much bull "sigh"

i played the last one and hated it i am not sure i will let some cool looking moves sway me this time

 

[subtlefuge]

I have a list of thoughts as well.

1. This was honestly less likely in my mind than a Crank sequel.
2. I was really hoping he would get over his stupid way of holding his lightsaber.
3. Either this is live action with CGI or some of the best facial animation ever.
4. Wow. So Lucasarts have managed to create a game with epic potential of Jedi Outcast.

 

[xvbones]

4. Wow. So Lucasarts have managed to create a game with epic potential of Jedi Outcast.

Correction:

Lucasarts have managed to create a cutscene with epic potential.

As I recall, the first game also had phenomenal-looking cutscenes.

Opinion guardedly reserved until I see some actual gameplay.

 

[Miumaru]

I wanna be a bad guy, not a weenie. Where is the one from Soulcalibur 4?

 

[Abedeus]

4. You can block Force attacks with the lightsaber.

i know this is canon. i know it is.

but it will not ever make any sense.

ever.

Well, the energy of the lightsaber crystal is powerful enough to cut through 90% of matter in the Universe. Except for a handful of things (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Lightsaber_Resistant_Materials), LS can pierce anything. But it's just a rule of cool. I mean, if LS can block 90% of the matter, it should be able to reflect it too.

However, if you look at the link I gave, you'll see that there are things that reflect lightsabers or even turn off for a second or two.

 

[Kukakkau]

From what it seems it's a clone of the apprentice that has discovered the memories of the original apprentice (hence working for vader again and getting betrayed "for the last time") also could explain why he's using a two saber style as opposed to the original single backwards one.

Discovery of original memories seems to be driving him towards Juno ("someone worth dying for") and the rebellion he started in the first game.

Also from his face extra while fighting he does seem pretty aggressive so could be pretty dark-sidey (yeah I made up a word) so could see him finding them but getting turned away and losing it.

 

[Kukakkau]

Well, the energy of the lightsaber crystal is powerful enough to cut through 90% of matter in the Universe. Except for a handful of things (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Lightsaber_Resistant_Materials), LS can pierce anything. But it's just a rule of cool. I mean, if LS can block 90% of the matter, it should be able to reflect it too.

However, if you look at the link I gave, you'll see that there are things that reflect lightsabers or even turn off for a second or two.

Here's where the problem comes from for me - if a lightsaber needs a rare special crystal to produce this power then why can laser shots be deflected? Surely they would need something of a similar power so as to be deflected and not just disintegrate. Meaning all those billions of standard firearms would need cystals similar to lightsabers

 

[xvbones]

4. You can block Force attacks with the lightsaber.

i know this is canon. i know it is.

but it will not ever make any sense.

ever.

Well, the energy of the lightsaber crystal is powerful enough to cut through 90% of matter in the Universe. Except for a handful of things (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Lightsaber_Resistant_Materials), LS can pierce anything. But it's just a rule of cool. I mean, if LS can block 90% of the matter, it should be able to reflect it too.

However, if you look at the link I gave, you'll see that there are things that reflect lightsabers or even turn off for a second or two.

Yes, but Force. It soaks up and blocks Force. Attacks that have zero physical presence, sabers can actually block... sometimes.
Like that one scene in Ep III, where for some reason Mace Windu's saber sends Palpatine's lightning right back into his face - that did NOT happen when Palpatine did the exact same thing to Luke, many decades later.

This is absolutely nonsensical to me, even given the soft-sci-fi setting.

I am not calling your statements into question. You are quoting canon and I respect that.

I am simply saying that this canon, to me, is ludicrous.

Especially where Force Unleashed is concerned, compared to the ability to yank a star destroyer out of orbit, they just seem more and more like meaningless decorations to me.

As I recall, the only times I ever even bothered to use my saber in that game were times when the game blatantly forced me to.

(speaking of which, if the Empire has anti-force technology, and Darth Vader knew Obi-Wan and Yoda were still alive out there... where the hell did that tech go?)

 

[Cookiegerard]

Anyone else think he has issues?

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

Don't be fooled.

The first Force Unleashed also looked incredible and then turned out to be incredibly terrible.

Did we play the same game Force unleashed 1 was amazing. Though i hear the Wii version was ass.

Looks epic i'm so gona get it and i think the aprentice ded in the first one so does that make the one we saw a clone who somehow retained his memorys. Just speculation.

 

[xvbones]

Don't be fooled.

The first Force Unleashed also looked incredible and then turned out to be incredibly terrible.

Did we play the same game Force unleashed 1 was amazing.

I have it on my PC and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

The fun of throwing people around with the force got old incredibly quick and was not enough to carry the unbelievably bad story. I wanted to see every single character I was introduced to killed messily - especially the main WHINING OBNOXIOUS IRRITATING EMO FUCKBAG character - and finally just got fed up with the whole thing.

The only challenge I ever felt was frustration over buggy, poorly coded or poorly planned sections - like, for example, that Star Destroyer event.

I'm glad you liked it. I thought the game was godawful.

I bought it cheap and have regretted not spending those $20 on gumballs ever since.

 

[jeejvebe]

The first game had a lot of potential, just hope they realize it this time. Hopefully they'll take some inspiration from the Jedi Knight games.

 

[Abedeus]

Well, the energy of the lightsaber crystal is powerful enough to cut through 90% of matter in the Universe. Except for a handful of things (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Lightsaber_Resistant_Materials), LS can pierce anything. But it's just a rule of cool. I mean, if LS can block 90% of the matter, it should be able to reflect it too.

However, if you look at the link I gave, you'll see that there are things that reflect lightsabers or even turn off for a second or two.

Here's where the problem comes from for me - if a lightsaber needs a rare special crystal to produce this power then why can laser shots be deflected? Surely they would need something of a similar power so as to be deflected and not just disintegrate. Meaning all those billions of standard firearms would need cystals similar to lightsabers

Because lightsaber's blade is made out of plasma. Strong plasma, just like a strong solid material, will deflect another plasma, weaker one.

If firearms did use crystals as a power source, trust me, lightsabers would bend, break or shatter. But it's just too ineffective and expensive - one weapon using a crystal is incredibly costly, since the materials are too rare just for anyone to get them.

Plus, there seems to be a powerful magnetic field around the edges of the blade, to keep all that plasma together. I guess that's another thing that could reflect weaker things, while allowing the user to slice and slash if swung with greater force. No pun here, quiet people.

4. You can block Force attacks with the lightsaber.

i know this is canon. i know it is.

but it will not ever make any sense.

ever.

Well, the energy of the lightsaber crystal is powerful enough to cut through 90% of matter in the Universe. Except for a handful of things (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber#Lightsaber_Resistant_Materials), LS can pierce anything. But it's just a rule of cool. I mean, if LS can block 90% of the matter, it should be able to reflect it too.

However, if you look at the link I gave, you'll see that there are things that reflect lightsabers or even turn off for a second or two.

Yes, but Force. It soaks up and blocks Force. Attacks that have zero physical presence, sabers can actually block... sometimes.
Like that one scene in Ep III, where for some reason Mace Windu's saber sends Palpatine's lightning right back into his face - that did NOT happen when Palpatine did the exact same thing to Luke, many decades later.

Mace Windu was a master, right? Luke wasn't as experienced and powerful as he was at the time.

Same reason why in Bleach the protagonist, with huge power level, tried to slash a Captain with his huge sword. But the captain's energy was so refined and perfect, he caused himself to bleed, while his opponent's body was untouched.

Same thing here - Mace was a lot more adept at using the Force and lightsaber than Luke.

This is absolutely nonsensical to me, even given the soft-sci-fi setting.

I'm not sure if universe where people create superweapons capable of creating a Big Bang is "soft" sci-fi.

Especially where Force Unleashed is concerned, compared to the ability to yank a star destroyer out of orbit, they just seem more and more like meaningless decorations to me.

Well, the star destroyer was in outer space, where it was just floating. If I were to question the sensibility of the scene, it's the range - being able to reach an object of that size AND on the orbit? I think that ripping out a 10km times 10km times 10km block of earth would be easier... I mean, he did have power to do something impossible to that, so why bother destroying a good star destroyer?

Seriously now, I agree, that made little sense. But hey, it's "Force Unleashed".

As I recall, the only times I ever even bothered to use my saber in that game were times when the game blatantly forced me to.

Well, I just used the saber to coat it in Force Lightning, then slash things and zap them to death at the same time.

(speaking of which, if the Empire has anti-force technology, and Darth Vader knew Obi-Wan and Yoda were still alive out there... where the hell did that tech go?)

I guess that the risk of them getting hands on a technology like that was too great.

Besides, while you can disable the lightsabers, you can't prevent Force from being used. Even creatures that are "out of Force" and it can't affect them (except for Lightning) can still be damaged by it. For instance, chucking a tank at something will still be incredibly effective. Or increasing the density of the air AROUND the target, and crushing it instead of using Force Crush, which would obviously be useless.

 

[xvbones]

Mace Windu was a master, right? Luke wasn't as experienced and powerful as he was at the time.

He was strong enough to take out Darth Vader in a straight fight.

I'll accept that maybe Vader was letting Luke win, but even then, Vader didn't bother to use his own incredible power and experience to reflect that lightning either - he just grabbed the Emp and tossed him off the edge, at enormous personal, physical cost.

Up to that point, he'd only lost a hand. Pitching the lightning-spewing Emperor down the hole was what actually killed him.

Same reason why in Bleach the protagonist, with huge power level, tried to slash a Captain with his huge sword. But the captain's energy was so refined and perfect, he caused himself to bleed, while his opponent's body was untouched.

I need to stop you right here on Bleach comparisons, while I appreciate Bleach's story and art and all of that, Tite Kubo is not precisely what you would call 'conservative' when he doles out the power levels.

Aizen is not called 'Captain Broken' for no reason.

Well, the star destroyer was in outer space, where it was just floating. If I were to question the sensibility of the scene, it's the range - being able to reach an object of that size AND on the orbit? I think that ripping out a 10km times 10km times 10km block of earth would be easier... I mean, he did have power to do something impossible to that, so why bother destroying a good star destroyer?

The devs thought it would look cool.

Seriously now, I agree, that made little sense. But hey, it's "Force Unleashed".

And how. "THE FORCE CAN DO ANYTHING! YOU ARE A JEDI! THIS WILL WORK, IT IS IN THE SCRIPT THAT IT DOES! SO DO IT!"

I'm not sure if universe where people create superweapons capable of creating a Big Bang is "soft" sci-fi.

It is when they offer no hard science method for said superweapons to work.

'Hyperspace' is the softest FTL out there, it works because the script says it works and that's it.

Star Wars has always been much closer to fantasy than to 'true' sci fi. I don't mean that as an insult to Star Wars, that's always been one of its most charming attributes: you do not need a degree in theoretical physics to enjoy Star Wars.

Well, I just used the saber to coat it in Force Lightning, then slash things and zap them to death at the same time.

Speaking of which, that's one easy way of killing TIEs, force-lightning.

Alternatively, you can just use Force Grip to yank TIEs out of the air and hurl them into each other.

Why the hell did no Jedi ever pull this absolutely devastating move in any of the movies?

Why were Obi-Wan and Anakin flying around in their dinky little Jedi Fighters? Why not just stand in one of the Capital ships and smash all the enemy craft into each other?

In Empire Strikes Back, Han tries to escape the Imperial fleet by ducking into an Asteroid field.

Why didn't Vader just seize those massive space rocks - which must have been less mass than a Star Destroyer - and sweep them out of the way? Or just crush the Millenium Falcon with them?

This was my biggest problem with TFU - it shows the Force to be unbelievably powerful, and in such a way that it raises all kinds of terrible questions like this.

If the force is this strong, why even bother with the lightsabers?

I guess that the risk of them getting hands on a technology like that was too great.

Besides, while you can disable the lightsabers, you can't prevent Force from being used. Even creatures that are "out of Force" and it can't affect them (except for Lightning) can still be damaged by it. For instance, chucking a tank at something will still be incredibly effective. Or increasing the density of the air AROUND the target, and crushing it instead of using Force Crush, which would obviously be useless.

Or, yanking a Star Destroyer out of orbit on top of their heads.

That would also work.

 

[Abedeus]

He was strong enough to take out Darth Vader in a straight fight.

I'll accept that maybe Vader was letting Luke win, but even then, Vader didn't bother to use his own incredible power and experience to reflect that lightning either - he just grabbed the Emp and tossed him off the edge, at enormous personal, physical cost.

Up to that point, he'd only lost a hand. Pitching the lightning-spewing Emperor down the hole was what actually killed him.

I think that yes, Vader was letting him win. He tried to do something redeeming, since according to the Eastern philosophy, there is no good without evil, and there is nothing such as pure evil. Some part of him didn't want to kill his only son. That's why in their earlier duel he didn't just finish off his son after he refused to join him. He couldn't just blasted his ass or cut off his head. He didn't.

Also, he assaulted the Emperor. That alone means he wasn't evil all the way through.

I need to stop you right here on Bleach comparisons, while I appreciate Bleach's story and art and all of that, Tite Kubo is not precisely what you would call 'conservative' when he doles out the power levels.

Aizen is not called 'Captain Broken' for no reason.

I was talking about the time before Tite Kubo changed Bleach's title to "Dragon Ball Remix". Ichigo tried to slash Kenpachi, who despite having barely more reiatsu (without taking off his eye patch, at least) was being able to resist his attack to the chest. And made his hand bleed instead.

'Hyperspace' is the softest FTL out there, it works because the script says it works and that's it.

I see. I was more talking about the lightsabers being powered by mystical cry... oh, I see.

Why the hell did no Jedi ever pull this absolutely devastating move in any of the movies?

Why were Obi-Wan and Anakin flying around in their dinky little Jedi Fighters? Why not just stand in one of the Capital ships and smash all the enemy craft into each other?

Maybe they were restraining themselves? Many people consider Force Lightning a corruptive and degenerating power, one which affects one's personality and brings him towards the Dark Side. Kyle Katarn obviously defies those claims, but I guess the Jedi don't like to abuse their power and just destroy everything on their way.

Siths are cooler, because they don't care about destruction.

In Empire Strikes Back, Han tries to escape the Imperial fleet by ducking into an Asteroid field.

Why didn't Vader just seize those massive space rocks - which must have been less mass than a Star Destroyer - and sweep them out of the way? Or just crush the Millenium Falcon with them?

Maybe it's like throwing and juggling - the more items, the harder it is to maintain them all at the same time.

This was my biggest problem with TFU - it shows the Force to be unbelievably powerful, and in such a way that it raises all kinds of terrible questions like this.

If the force is this strong, why even bother with the lightsabers?

Like I said before - to combat other people using the Force. You can block Force with Force, but why bother if you can just block it with the blade.

Or, yanking a Star Destroyer out of orbit on top of their heads.

That would also work.

You know what they say, there's not kill like an overkill.

 

[xvbones]

I think that yes, Vader was letting him win. He tried to do something redeeming, since according to the Eastern philosophy, there is no good without evil, and there is nothing such as pure evil. Some part of him didn't want to kill his only son. That's why in their earlier duel he didn't just finish off his son after he refused to join him. He couldn't just blasted his ass or cut off his head. He didn't.

Also, he assaulted the Emperor. That alone means he wasn't evil all the way through.

Still doesn't explain why Vader didn't bother trying to reflect the Emp's lightning fingers. Luke's saber was right there on the ground next to him.

I was talking about the time before Tite Kubo changed Bleach's title to "Dragon Ball Remix". Ichigo tried to slash Kenpachi, who despite having barely more reiatsu (without taking off his eye patch, at least) was being able to resist his attack to the chest. And made his hand bleed instead.

In that exact same storyline, 'awakened' Ichigo blocks a weapon that "contains the power of a million zanpakuto" (sp) with his own. And then uses his weapon to obliterate a scaffold that was built to withstand "the power of a million zanpakuto."

I stand by my comment.

Tite Kubo was never conservative about power.

Maybe they were restraining themselves? Many people consider Force Lightning a corruptive and degenerating power, one which affects one's personality and brings him towards the Dark Side. Kyle Katarn obviously defies those claims, but I guess the Jedi don't like to abuse their power and just destroy everything on their way.

Siths are cooler, because they don't care about destruction.

AH HAH! Yes, but the vast majority of the enemy ships were piloted by robots!

And the Jedi themselves showed zero qualms about hacking the living shit out of tons and tons and tons of Geonossians!

And at this point in the series, Anakin had already slaughtered men, women and children!

But let's say you're right, maybe they wanted to hold back, at the cost of thousands of lives that would be lost in a needless space battle that could otherwise be easily resolved by their powers. Okay.

Why didn't they use the Force to crush the weapons systems on the enemy ships, then?

Or disable their engines?

Or just Force Choke each individual organic pilot just long enough for them to pass out and be unable to fight?

This is a universe where Shield Generators can regularly be hit while the shields are still up. There must be thousands of ways to disable starships with the Force in a manner that does not cause untold loss of life.

Maybe it's like throwing and juggling - the more items, the harder it is to maintain them all at the same time.

Okay, so, just a wave of force to get the damn rocks out of the way, not lose any ships, not suffer any damage, and...

wait a minute...

Okay, screw all the space rocks, why the hell didn't Vader just grab the Millenium Falcon itself?

Like I said before - to combat other people using the Force. You can block Force with Force, but why bother if you can just block it with the blade.

Why bother using the blade at all?

Shouldn't the stronger Jedi be able to wrench his opponent's saber from his hand?

If Yoda truly was the superior master of the Force like we have been led to believe, why did he whip out the wee bitty saber on Dooku?

Why not just fucking disarm him?

Wouldn't that be a truer test of Force mastery?

 

[subtlefuge]

I'll definitely play this, but it will probably only make me want to play Jedi Outcast more.