New Internet Explorer Hits Stumbling Blocks

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I'm shocked that a program like IE could be so large though.

I'm shocked too, seeing as it's a 13MB download... where did the 4GB figure come from, because it's not in the IW article?

<a href='http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Brand-New-IE8-Has-Big-Problems/story.xhtml?story_id=11300CM8S6UK' target=_blank>This one mentions it.

My minimalist installation of it is only consuming 5Mb. Grabbed it to confirm that yes, IE still is not CSS compliant.

 

[LewsTherin]

IE is a stumbling block.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Now this is sad. This actually makes Blizzard look like saints because they shut up about their release dates on games and patches, taking their sweet, sweet time with making sure they're actually competently made (only to make players discover the aforementioned patches only ruin World of Warcraft even more than it already is).

 

[Sir Ollie]

IE a failure of the highest caliber

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

Just use Chrome, firefox, safari, opera, or pretty much anything other than IE, it just plain sucks.

 

[fix-the-spade]

My minimalist installation of it is only consuming 5Mb. Grabbed it to confirm that yes, IE still is not CSS compliant.

Which CSS is that? I would love you to say Cascading Style Sheets, but hopefully even Microsoft have got that far.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

My minimalist installation of it is only consuming 5Mb. Grabbed it to confirm that yes, IE still is not CSS compliant.

Which CSS is that? I would love you to say Cascading Style Sheets, but hopefully even Microsoft have got that far.

Yes, Cascading Style Sheets. You can create a style that will render fine in all other browsers, but gaze upon it in IE and you will witness bedlam. Your only recourse is a variety of 'IE hacks' that people have discovered to re-style certain things only when IE sees it, or load a completely seperate CSS file entirely. Have a look at the Google search for IE margin inheritance for one such example.

 

[Jake Lockley]

I'm no MS fanboy, but I've been using IE8 since it was released and have not had any problems. I also can't say that it is any faster than other browsers or IE7, or that it renders pages any better because most web developers are smart enough to test their sites on FF as well as IE. The most I can say is it passed the Acid test, but other than that it's barely different than IE7.

 

[macthorpe]

I'm shocked that a program like IE could be so large though.

I'm shocked too, seeing as it's a 13MB download... where did the 4GB figure come from, because it's not in the IW article?

<a href='http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Brand-New-IE8-Has-Big-Problems/story.xhtml?story_id=11300CM8S6UK' target=_blank>This one mentions it.

My minimalist installation of it is only consuming 5Mb. Grabbed it to confirm that yes, IE still is not CSS compliant.

I found the Bessler post that article references, and it seems like this 4GB figure has only been seen by one person who happens to have posted it on MSDN. I'm guessing that he installed IE, Vista/XP did a system restore and that took up 4GB so he assumed that all 4GB was taken up by IE, which seems a bit silly.

Yes, I can confirm that it still handles CSS like crap but it only seems to have taken up 5MB in the IE folder. The rest of it is probably updating the Trident engine. I'm sticking with Opera.

 

[dalek sec]

I can hardly wait for the 25 GB patch to fix this up!

I kinda like the old Internet Explorer, because it reminds me of the Millennium Falcon: A busted up hunk of junk that everyone laughs at, but every once in a while - when you hit it with a wrench - it can jump to hyperspace.

Thank you, glad to know there's still some people out there who still enjoy using it.

 

[CUnk]

I can hardly wait for the 25 GB patch to fix this up!

I kinda like the old Internet Explorer, because it reminds me of the Millennium Falcon: A busted up hunk of junk that everyone laughs at, but every once in a while - when you hit it with a wrench - it can jump to hyperspace.

Thank you, glad to know there's still some people out there who still enjoy using it.

I suppose it's OK for going to the corner store and back but you'd have to be insane to do any serious web surfing with older browser versions (ANY brand). And I'm not buying any of that "well if you know what you're doing it's easy to stay safe" bullcrap since exploits these days don't necessarily require you to be stupid or have ActiveX enabled. The first thing I tell anyone that asks me how to prevent their systems from becoming compromised is to keep your software up to date.

 

[Moormur]

*Ahem*

I use IE. I find it convinient and easy to use. I have tried to use firefox but there is no obvious way to make tabs. Firefox was also conceived by AOL, something that sent me running the other way. I dislike Google as it stole the Search Engine market away from Ask (although I won't deny that Ask made its own mistakes). What's wrong with IE? You seem to post about it like IE is some sort of plague.

 

[ironfist86]

*Ahem*

I have tried to use firefox but there is no obvious way to make tabs.

obvious like opening the file menu and selecting new tab?
or right clicking on the tab bar and selecting new tab?

What's wrong with IE? You seem to post about it like IE is some sort of plague.

i'm too lazy to list all the reasons, so i found someone else who did a fairly decent job for me. [http://www.lockergnome.com/news/2004/06/15/why-you-should-dump-internet-explorer/]
for some reason, the mention of a plague reminds of the guy in Monty Python's Holy Grail that rings the bell and says "bring out yer dead!"

 

[Arkfeller]

4 gigabytes!? Whoa!

 

[Sylocat]

The real problem isn't that IE8 is more broken than IE7, the problem is that it's less broken.

You see, the reason that webpage designers hated IE6 and IE7 was that they had several bugs that caused pages to render incorrectly (images loading in the wrong place on the page, scrollbars not working with the "standard" code, etc), so web page designers would actually put in little hacks in their webpages that recognized which browser you were using, and would adjust the layout and functions of their page to correct these bugs (so, when the page finds out it's being loaded on IE, it automatically moves something 17 pixels or so to the left to compensate for the bug in IE that causes them to appear 17 pixels to the right of where they should be, etc). Yes, that's right, thanks to IE's predominance in the market (because Microsoft's consumer base wouldn't bother to try anything else no matter how much better it worked, and M$ felt it was everyone else's job to conform to their specs instead of vice versa), developers actually had to make two separate versions of their webpages, one hideously broken in order to make IE render it properly.

Then IE8 comes out, and patches these bugs. However, pages can recognize which browser you're loading in, but it can't recognize which VERSION of the browser it is, so when it recognizes IE it still loads the IE7-compatible version, which is broken when viewed in any browser that works properly.

(for a more articulate explanation, just read this [http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html])

 

[Moormur]

obvious like opening the file menu and selecting new tab?
or right clicking on the tab bar and selecting new tab?

Yup. Exactly. To open up a new tab in IE all you do is click on the tab button right next to all the other tabs. It even has a little graphic on it to suggest that clicking it will open a new tab. That seems pretty obvious to me. More obvious tan opening up a seperate menu to do it.

i'm too lazy to list all the reasons, so i found someone else who did a fairly decent job for me.

I read through the listing and, to be frank, I don't really see the point. Maybe I'm oblivious to all the risks that I am apparently expoosed to. I keep my software up to date. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Microsoft releases very regular updates to help combat hackers. I scan for spyware and malware on a daily basis. I have unique passwords for almost all my accounts.

for some reason, the mention of a plague reminds of the guy in Monty Python's Holy Grail that rings the bell and says "bring out yer dead!"

Heh, funny you should mention that. As I write this I am watching the Book at Bedtime episode of the Flying Circus (On a Microsoft Silverlight player, no less)

 

[Danny Ocean]

Wow. Is anybody really surprised?

No. No we're not.

I realized how total the worldwide rejection of IE was when I was watching America's Most Wanted, and when they showed a picture of their website on TV, it was in a Firefox browser window.

I also use Google Chrome on occasion, though it also tends to have severe loading times and regularly freezes up and won't close. But my computer sucks, so...

You've gotta remember that each chrome TAB opens as a new process, so opening them like you do in Mozilla may make your computer crash often.

Oddly enough, I have the same problems you describe with Chrome, but with Mozilla.

 

[TheBluesader]

Wow. Is anybody really surprised?

No. No we're not.

I realized how total the worldwide rejection of IE was when I was watching America's Most Wanted, and when they showed a picture of their website on TV, it was in a Firefox browser window.

I also use Google Chrome on occasion, though it also tends to have severe loading times and regularly freezes up and won't close. But my computer sucks, so...

You've gotta remember that each chrome TAB opens as a new process, so opening them like you do in Mozilla may make your computer crash often.

Oddly enough, I have the same problems you describe with Chrome, but with Mozilla.

I figured that out as I used it. I guess it's supposed to run on Vista-ready machines that can handle all the unnecessary super graphicness. Which I do not have, and will never have. Boooo.

The only problem I have with Firefox is that the single process tends to slowly dial up as I use it until it is really huge, like 145,000 k, where it then evens out. I know when IE does that it's because of a trojan, but I don't have any other symptoms of that sort of thing, and it doesn't do it all the time.

 

[RogueDarkJedi]

Having read other posts, I can pretty much say that the 4GB thing is complete bull. There is no way that IE8 takes 4GB to make a web browser.

If you've made a browser that is 4GBs big, I seriously question your sanity and programming skills.