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NiPah

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Huh Europeans talk about American Football? I was under the impression that they just used the sport to make a few stupid jokes then go on to talk about their obsession with soccer.

Well color me surprised.

Wikipedia says some other countries go with gridiron, so I'd go with that if it's too confusing to use American football to differentiate it from Soccer.
 

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newfoundsky said:
It amuses me that sometimes people forget there is a WHOLE FREAKING OCEAN between the United States and the rest of the English Speaking world, save Canada. Linguistic differences are to be expected, and respected.
What would we have to complain about if not for minor nitpicky variants in local language?
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
newfoundsky said:
It amuses me that sometimes people forget there is a WHOLE FREAKING OCEAN between the United States and the rest of the English Speaking world, save Canada. Linguistic differences are to be expected, and respected.
What would we have to complain about if not for minor nitpicky variants in local language?
Well there's always politics and religion, but we have a separate forum section for that.

OT: I honestly think that so long as you keep in mind where the person you're talking to was raised and accept that they were raised to call it something other than what you call it then you should be fine. Otherwise you should build yourself a time machine, go back in time, and kick the balls of the person who decided to call it what it's called here until he changes his mind.
 

RedDeadFred

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Change both of their names.

Football should be known as Diveball.

American Football should be known as Pauseball.
 

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If "American football" is too long, you could always just short form it. AmFoot. Has a nice ring to it, I think.
 

Saltyk

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Well, Football is actually fun to watch. Soccer, I could barely pay attention to even when "my team" was playing. When drunk! God, it's so boring. Really, how does half the world obsess and riot over such a boring game?

Reminds me of a joke about Soap Operas.
You could stop watching one for ten years, come back and still follow what's going on.
Same thing rings true for soccer. Didn't watch for the last 15 minutes? That's okay. Nothing happened anyway.

In actual Football, every play matters. Every second counts. It's a game of strength and strategy. A game for Champions.
Soccer is a game for cats to watch and bat at the screen trying to get the ball.

So, I suggest we call "American Football" simply "Football" and "Soccer" can be "Nap Time".

[sub][sub][sub][sub]I wonder how many people I made mad by insulting soccer like they regularly insult Football.[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]
 

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I guess if you're not american you probably don't have to worry so much as long as the person on the other end isn't an american.

If you're in conversation with an american, the only thing they will understand as "American Football" will be "Football" or "American Football".


Also, the whole "Soccer" vs "Football" thing is silly. English is not the same everywhere. We don't call gasoline "petrol" or a truck a "lorry" either.
 

Saltyk

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MarsAtlas said:
You could call if "ConcussionBall". Thats how I refer to it whenever the topic of children playing the sport comes up.
The sad thing is that the issue of concussions in a pretty big thing in the NFL. Several players and their families are currently suing claiming that the NFL knew and downplayed the risks of concussions. Several players have had dozens or more concussions and even returned to the field after having one.

Part of the problem is that there is a expectation that players will play to the end. Even if they are injured. Unless they literally can't play due to a broken leg (and pretty much only that) even fans expect the player to get back on the field.

As you can imagine several of these players have serious neurological issues. Some even have symptoms similar to Alzheimer's Disease despite being too young. I heard one on the radio and you could tell in his voice that he was rather messed up.

Oh, for those people who want to compare Football to Rugby and mock the players for wearing protective gear, keep in mind that even with that gear many players get injured pretty badly. Some of them even have long term issues as I stated above. There's a reason for the equipment and rules. And that's to keep players safe, but even then, it only works so well. Especially when players are expected to "walk it off" and get back on the field.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
I don't know? Rugby?

I mean that's technically what it is, right?
Err no, its wimpy rugby for those that don't like getting punched in the face. However neither is as violent as Aussie rules chess.
I've known people who played both Rugby and Football, and they said Football was actually more dangerous, the main reason being because in Rugby you can really only tackle the guy who is carrying the ball, while in Football you can basically tackle anyone. You also tend to get a lot more "hit out of nowhere" type tackles in Football, which are the more dangerous types. Plus, the average NFL player outweighs the average professional Rugby player by about 25 lbs (about 225 lbs vs. about 250 lbs).
 

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newfoundsky said:
It amuses me that sometimes people forget there is a WHOLE FREAKING OCEAN between the United States and the rest of the English Speaking world, save Canada. Linguistic differences are to be expected, and respected.
Thank you! It's always struck me as arrogant that a person might think that their game is the "real" football, and that they feel they have to degrade the other sport.

That being said, if you don't want to use "soccer" for Association Football, I've always thought "tackleball" might be a good name for American Football since it tends to involve more tackling than kicking.
 

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Fijiman said:
Well there's always politics and religion, but we have a separate forum section for that.

I meant we as in the human race, which doesn't help with politics and religion because we still tend to squabble over some pretty minor differences in both instances. And sometimes, we combine sports, politics, and religion into one giant cluster of petty.

MarsAtlas said:
You could call if "ConcussionBall". Thats how I refer to it whenever the topic of children playing the sport comes up.
Doesn't soccer carry some serious risks, especially as kids are encouraged to head the ball?

Saltyk said:
The sad thing is that the issue of concussions in a pretty big thing in the NFL. Several players and their families are currently suing claiming that the NFL knew and downplayed the risks of concussions. Several players have had dozens or more concussions and even returned to the field after having one.
And more have been disabled by the long-term impacts of them.

I think that the ultimate issue when it comes to kids is that they're encouraged to do so, whereas very few of the public are professional NFLers and the risk is considered assumed because they're getting paid to do it. And that doesn't make it right that they're lied to, but it does make a difference in assumption if risk.
 

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Perverted_Pirate said:
Hi there,

I talk with a fair number of people online and they bring up sports a lot. They really enjoy american futbol and we often talk about that and real football, the problem is that it gets annoying saying 'american futbol' and they really don't like it. So I'm trying to think of a subsitute name. Obviously I can't call it 'handegg' as it comes off insulting. They've taken to calling football 'footy'. So the best I have so far is 'pass ball'. Handball is already used so that's out of the picture. 'Soccer' is off limits as it's insulting(even if it's a bastardized version of a word a select few used to refer to football a long, long time ago).

Can you guys help me come up with a non-insulting term for american futbol?

Thanks! :D
American Rugby is often a term used. The relation between rugby and football is still quite strong, much stronger than -say- the relation between baseball and cricket. Really, the gigantic colonial opt-out known as the American Revolutionary War changed much between the cultures, not just the take on sports rules, but also spellings and pronunciations, where these things remained much more strongly in other former British colonies like Australia and New Zealand. In a sense, Britain needed cultural and educational hegemony to maintain its dominance, while the States simply removed themselves earlier in that process.

The term soccer can be insulting, though not for the reasons you may think, and honestly, since it is an insult originally aimed at the British, as an American, I have no problem with using the term. You likely have heard the lie that 'soccer' stems from the term 'Association Football,' but I assure you that is not the case. The Oxenford dialects have no history of dropping the first letter of a word, especially when that letter is a vowel. The word 'Socar' first appeared in Gaeilege Eirie writings in the late 18th century, as a pun on the word 'Oscar,' meaning 'warrior.' Basically, it was a way for native Irish speakers to satirize British 'Sportsmen,' or the hunters who traveled all over the world to British colonies to shoot exotic animals with rifles -in a very Irish way- by flipping the first two letters of the word.

Eventually, The word made its way to Wales, Liverpool, and Oxford while becoming synonymous with the newer sports being played, not with hunting. To this day, most Irish speakers still prefer the term soccer to the term football -though it should be noted that using varying terms for any one thing is considered a form of wit among native Irish speakers, and thus both terms are used routinely. As for what I referred to as the "lie" that the word is an Oxford bastardization is simply due to either ignorance, or to the fact that the English have a long history of denying 'papist' influence on the language.

My point being this: the differences between sport names and also their rules is just another example of colonies and former colonies attempting to resist cultural hegemony. Which to be fair, can often be tremendously negative as a whole. Instead of asking why we cannot agree on a term, it is far more pertinent to ask why we need to agree in the first place. The burden of proof lies with those wishing to create universal terms throughout different cultures.
 

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The name "soccer" is insulting? ...Why? It's a proper identifier in the US. Perhaps instead of making a problem out of nothing, you instead accept that some things have different names based on location and culture. You know, that "tolerance" thing everyone keeps banging on about.
 

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First of all, why must you use the Spanish spelling that doesn't mean "foot" and "ball?" Second, soccer is a legitimate name for the game. When the game was first invented in its current form, it was called both. "Football" or "futbol" in any non-English language is stupid because it means nothing, let alone "a ball game involving feet." Leave soccer alone, and leave Football--an American version of Rugby in which the ball is carried by foot-- alone as well.
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
albino boo said:
Casual Shinji said:
I don't know? Rugby?

I mean that's technically what it is, right?
Err no, its wimpy rugby for those that don't like getting punched in the face. However neither is as violent as Aussie rules chess.
I've known people who played both Rugby and Football, and they said Football was actually more dangerous, the main reason being because in Rugby you can really only tackle the guy who is carrying the ball, while in Football you can basically tackle anyone. You also tend to get a lot more "hit out of nowhere" type tackles in Football, which are the more dangerous types. Plus, the average NFL player outweighs the average professional Rugby player by about 25 lbs (about 225 lbs vs. about 250 lbs).
Unfortunately your friends are wrong. Neck injuries are far too common in rugby. I remember the 2010 Scotland V Wales match were Thom Evans broke his neck so badly that he was a millimetre away from death and required two operations to stabilize his neck. While Christ Paterson, another Scotland player, was talking to one Thom Evans family members he suddenly collapsed because he had ruptured kidney during play.

Rugby isn't just about tackles, there are rucks, mauls, lineouts and scrums all of which expose the players to danger. The scrum is s considered so dangerous the the two outside men have to specialists in their positions and if one side runs out of specialists, scrums are effectively abandoned. Rugby also has rules about blood substitutions, if player is bleeding heavily he sent of to get stitched up but he can come back on later. How often to American football players require stitches during the match? Rugby also has rules about concussions, if you have 2 in as many weeks you have to take a month off. Fundamentally the difference is that rugby is 220 lb men running into each other with no padding.

As last point it is not illegal to have punch up in Rugby. You are not allowed to run and join a fight but its accepted that tempers flare and punches are thrown

 

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NiPah said:
Huh Europeans talk about American Football? I was under the impression that they just used the sport to make a few stupid jokes then go on to talk about their obsession with soccer.

Well color me surprised.

Wikipedia says some other countries go with gridiron, so I'd go with that if it's too confusing to use American football to differentiate it from Soccer.
Europeans not only talk about it, they even PLAY it. Though granted, there are still some amateurs on the field in the German Bowl.
 

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Ihateregistering1 said:
albino boo said:
Casual Shinji said:
I don't know? Rugby?

I mean that's technically what it is, right?
Err no, its wimpy rugby for those that don't like getting punched in the face. However neither is as violent as Aussie rules chess.
I've known people who played both Rugby and Football, and they said Football was actually more dangerous, the main reason being because in Rugby you can really only tackle the guy who is carrying the ball, while in Football you can basically tackle anyone. You also tend to get a lot more "hit out of nowhere" type tackles in Football, which are the more dangerous types. Plus, the average NFL player outweighs the average professional Rugby player by about 25 lbs (about 225 lbs vs. about 250 lbs).

Edit - re-reading your post you don't actually say which is harder, just which is more dangerous. I apologise: I agree, American football is the most dangerous of the 3, but that's in no way a good thing.

The ability to blindside hit someone not carrying the ball is just fucking silly, as is the forward pass for that matter.


The remainder of my post left for reasons of honesty:


Funny, because I've also known people who've played Rugby and American Football, and they all agree that American Football was considerably less hard.

On a related note, every Northerner (where Rugby League is king) I've spoken to who plays League and Union claims League is harder, whilst every Southerner (where Union is king) claims Union is harder.


Perhaps where one is from is important in this, as how seriously one takes the game becomes extremely relevant when it comes to which games are harder.


For the record - Rugby League is by far and away the best, and toughest of the 3 games - it requires the most fitness, has hits that are comparable to American Football (but without the pads), and was invented in Yorkshire, so you know it's superior to everything else.
 

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American rugby?

I am not really a fan of team sports, but isn't futbol basically rugby but slower and with protection for body?