New pokemon are different

[Kikyoo]

I am somewhat of an oddity. I started with Red and blue, and have been following Pokemon since... I had 2 teams I was building in Gold and Silver. A all dragon pokemon team (never finished because there was not really 6 dragon pokemon) and a All Fire Pokemon team (Was finished but had several legendary pokemon and WAY too much fire/flying) Now in gold and silver I had to leave those pokemon behind. over 300 hours of playtime and I am over it, but I'm still bitter about it. Anyways The simpler aesthetics of the old ones did have some charm to it, BUT at the same time the old ones pissed me off a LOT because there was no variety if you wanted to make a single element team. The new variety slowly seeped in and I find myself caring less and less about the little things like this time the ground pokemon is a gator instead of a shrew. I liked rock pokemon but always hated that there were no good ones. There are lots of cases of gen 1 pokemon just being unbalanced. So to me, not much has changed. I don't really care if there are more dangly bits on pokemon now. But I will admit I like having more choices. I do kinda think that Gen 1 didn't have anything wrong with it, and shouldn't be altered however. But whatever if they want to revamp Gen 1 it's their choice. I just wish they would give Fire/fighting a rest. Really? we've had 3 of them in a row. How many Fire/fighting pokemon do we need?!

 

[Terminate421]

We've all noticed the trend that newer pokemon tend to have a bit more design choices than before. This is still a good thing.

Now before I get started, I'd say this whole topic is kinda useless as it will just attract the scum known as Genwunners.

Lets take a look at the most simple design for a pokemon game:

Blatoise, while not a bad design, probably represents the most lazy thought process I can think of, "A giant turtle....with cannons on its shoulders!" This simplicity is seen as the frontal for the 1st generation of pokemon and some say "Pokemon should be realistic and believable like this!" This is where I laugh at them.

Now lets take a look at a pokemon with some more design choices:

Right from the name, you can tell where the origin of Samurott's design came from. Hell, it gets better:

That sword came from his frontal arms where the sheaths are. This follows much to the Blastoise design however, keeps simplicity as an afterthought thus coming up with a badass design. "Lets get, an Otter, give him some samurai armor, a beard, and put impossible to grow items (in this case swords) on his shoulders like Blastoise!" Its not particularly realistic, but Alakazam carries spoons around so this fits to that theme.

Pokemon have been getting better and better, before we had Good ones, classics, Mr. Mime and Jynx (The worst designs ever), now we just get Good ones, new ones, and the ice cream shaped pokemon.

My personal favorite designs are the 2nd and the 4th generations actually. Also the games themselves, as they had the most changes.

Pokemon may have been changing but its for the better

 

[Nazulu]

Eh, I tend to agree and disagree. While generation 1 was very plain with heavy influence from pre-existing animals (a seal named Seel for instance), it was honestly the most boring and unoriginal generation because of it (cmon ppl agree with me here, don't let nostalgia blind you).

Or (just bear with me here) design preferences are actually SUBJECTIVE! Who'd have fucking thought it?

Personally I prefer the minimalistic simplicity of the original designs that appropriately catches the aethetic of Pokemon being 'wild animals' rather then a miss match of over the top bullshit.

E.g. That stupid Black Kyrem White Kyrem thing.

I think its just taken them a while to get the pokemon style down. Generation 1 is really the only one that stands out, all the others seem to be pretty coherent.

I disagree. Second gen kept the aesthetic, 3rd gen did too however there were some unfortunate design choices, and then all later generations scrapped the majority of the effective designs and kept repeating those same unfortunate designs ad nauseum.

And lets be honest, that charizard picture is a lot better than generation 1....I mean....cmon now...

That Charizard looks like shit. The Garchomp looks pretty cool though.

SUBJECTIVITY!

Don't do that fucking subjective shit, it never looks good, ever. The guys allowed to post up his thoughts without having to point out the obvious. Even then, you do your best to prove it.

Your contradicting yourself really badly, telling Don it's all subjective and then suddenly "I disagree, that charizard looks like shit". C'mon man.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Eh...
All the newest pokemon look shit. If they'd left it at platinum,Diamond and pearl era, then it would have ended on a high before the ideas ran thin and the pokemon started looking like animate testicular cancer.
Even then the platinum pokemon were going downhill.
The sooner pokemon finishes for good the better.

 

[SEXTON HALE]

Hav'nt played much new pokemon since pearl though I did pick up soul silver.
It seems to me that the new pokemon have a bit of a silly look about them but with more intricate designs.
I might be a bit nostalgic but I do prefer older generation pokemon to newer ones.

 

[Terminate421]

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The new colors are what you expect from DNA. Did you think of deoxy's name? Its fucking DNA which is SUPPOSED to have the large amounts of colors. Although I don't like garbador, I will defend the fact that it's going to have multiple colors, why? Because not ALL garbage is brown dirt, there's bound to be somethings that gave him that form.

Ultimate badass legendary gen1 -> current gen

I like the part where you complement Mewtwo but then insult Reshi-Kyurem. I'm just going leave a relatively simple pokemon design who I felt was badass:

1st. Right from the start, you can tell not only he's a legendary, but can kick your shit while not looking too complex.

2nd. Newer pokemon are no where design choices near: Yu-gi-oh creatures, Digimon, or Final Fantasy stuff

Prime example: Rhyhorn

Rhyhorn (Gen 1) - Rhydon (Gen 1) - Rhyperior (Gen 4)

Rhyhorn and Rhydon are great. I actually like using them for their decent defenses and having a pretty damn high Attack stat among gen 1 Pokemon. They also don't look half bad.

Then Rhyperior. Stronger than Rhydon, sure. But appearance-wise? WHAT THE HELL!? First off, the color is way off which is very jarring (Imagine if Gardevoir or Gallade, two very popular pokemon, were suddenly VERY off shades of nasty puke instead of a similar green to their prevolutions.) And that really scrawny part of the arm, it'd snap if it so much as tried to MOVE it's arm! Like what the hell?

They attempted to add armor plating and give the idea he was resistant to Volcanos. I'm one of the few people who like Rhyperior design wise I guess.

Gen 1: Every pokemon was functional in it's own way. Elegant in their simplicity (just look at that picture in the starting post for this thread and how Charizard would be ruined if it was designed in Gen 4.) And whatnot. And come on, who can honestly hate pokemon like Sandshrew, Arcanine, or Starmie?

Jynx and Mr. Mime are by far the worst pokemon designs to ever exist. Its not that we hate the 1st generation designs, no no....its that we're tired of people bashing later generations for having a different choice in design.

Gen 2: They got a little more adventurous, here. Xatu? Smeargle? Some were great, others less so, but the point was, it was largely more of the same. Sure, Azumarill, as cute as it is, just lacks the sleek functionality of, say, Raichu, but what can you do?

How the fuck is Xatu a bad desing? Its supposed to by a MAYAN BIRD! Thats awesome! Azumarilll has her color choices to be a water rabbit, I'd guess the bubble design to help her blend in with the fucking water.

Gen 3: OH GOD WHAT AM I LOOKING AT!? Medicham!? What is this and why is it's ability so broken!? I despise Gen 3 because all the "Oh god I hate this design" Pokemon are leagues stronger than they should be due to their abilities. The few pokemon whose appearance I DO like (Torchic, Swellow, Altaria, etc) are, well, generally not even really worth using.

They've added new abilities, have you seen Dream world blaziken?

Oh, and Ludicolo. I'll say it right now. Ludicolo offends me. My best friend died when he was 13 (will be 8 years ago this October) - and he was from Mexico - and he didn't like Ludicolo because it was stereotypically offensive. And I carry on his stance.

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Yes yes yes...Ludicolo. Such as the way of Mr. Mime and Jynx.....Also Medicham.....

Point being, I walked away from Gen 3 with... Gardevoir. That's... really about it. Oh, and they also introduced a lot of no-sense type matches simply to add more STAB options. Fire/Fighting? Really? Those don't exactly go hand in hand. Not like Rock/Ground, or Grass/Poison, etc. Fire/Fighting is seriously just "Here, handle some of your weaknesses better!" Like seriously....

Fire/fighting gave the fire type's use while still giving them counters while also balancing that shit. Defense from rocks is available while still having to fear water and ground types. Also, Rock/Ground is terrible typing IMO, too many water and grass types and ground types running around to fuck you up.

Gen 4: Okay. So while they made some things worse (Rhyperior is just one example) at least their new designs GENERALLY weren't as atrociously bad as a lot of Gen 3.

Lucario
Empoleon
Weavile
Garchomp
Dialga
Arceus
Torterra
Starraptor
Palkia
Darkrai
and many many...others would like to speak with you.

Sure, Chimchar is a blatant insult to Charmander (don't give me that "Sun Wukong tribute" crap, it just looks like a cheap Charmander ripoff coupled with the aforementioned Mixed type BS - but at least they balanced mixed types across all the starters. Torterra gets Earth STAB against Infernape, who gets fighting STAB against Empoleon, who double weaknesses Torterra with ice.)

Empoleon is a steel type. I can see where you got the ice type from for ice beam though. The idea was to change up the trio towards the end though.

Gen 5: I really can't comment. No money to play it.

Good, at least you're not a blind genwunner from what I can tell.

 

[Terminate421]

I'm not sold on the OP, I just preferred the general design aesthetic of the first two generations more. That and the fact that I'm predisposed to hate new Pokemon, too much "Oh hi, we took out of the game, so here's a . That's what was briliant about Generation II, The Pidgeys and Hoothoots, the Rattatas and Sentrets. They coexisted in peace instead of driving each other out.

Design and name. Gamefreak got lazy. The fact that it has whatever stats means nothing to someone who doesn't rely on a 3DS for online multiplayer.

Says the guy who swears by Cofagrigus...

Okay...now I have to ***** at you.

Liking a design doesn't change one's dignity, how about playing the newer pokemon before hating on them.

Also, newer pokemon can totally coexist, why? Becuase newer pokemon are covering places older pokemon never went.

Where are penguins? Empoleon
Where are palm trees? Tropius
Where are actual dragons? Salamence
Where are sea turtles (Blastoise is a turle, not a sea turtle)? Caracosta

With out those, the ecosystem for pokemon would surely fall apart. In essence, newer generations are needed, I will agree that they are not all perfect but then again. Jynx and Mr. Mime are the worst looking and thought out pokemon ever. Also, there is such a thing as too simple:

Captcha: Stand up guy

 

[Nazulu]

We've all noticed the trend that newer pokemon tend to have a bit more design choices than before. This is still a good thing.

Now before I get started, I'd say this whole topic is kinda useless as it will just attract the scum known as Genwunners.

Lets take a look at the most simple design for a pokemon game:

Blatoise, while not a bad design, probably represents the most lazy thought process I can think of, "A giant turtle....with cannons on its shoulders!" This simplicity is seen as the frontal for the 1st generation of pokemon and some say "Pokemon should be realistic and believable like this!" This is where I laugh at them.

Now lets take a look at a pokemon with some more design choices:

Right from the name, you can tell where the origin of Samurott's design came from. Hell, it gets better:

That sword came from his frontal arms where the sheaths are. This follows much to the Blastoise design however, keeps simplicity as an afterthought thus coming up with a badass design. "Lets get, an Otter, give him some samurai armor, a beard, and put impossible to grow items (in this case swords) on his shoulders like Blastoise!" Its not particularly realistic, but Alakazam carries spoons around so this fits to that theme.

Pokemon have been getting better and better, before we had Good ones, classics, Mr. Mime and Jynx (The worst designs ever), now we just get Good ones, new ones, and the ice cream shaped pokemon.

My personal favorite designs are the 2nd and the 4th generations actually. Also the games themselves, as they had the most changes.

Pokemon may have been changing but its for the better

How the hell do you people figure Blastoise is lazy, the design is efficient and the whole point is to look tough. Blastoise is easy on the eyes, while your example of a better design is the over-the-top samurai seal with a tacky helmet and beard, and the large sword is just a lame try hard anime thing.

I can actually tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime, they are lame too but they are nowhere as desperate as the ice cream and garbage bag.

The new generations seem to becoming a better example of not how to design the more I stay here.

 

[Terminate421]

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Blastoise was lazy. Whether you like it or not. Its lazy, people want plausible designs and they litterally added fucking metal cannons into his back. I think its plausible if that were to be able to exist that a pokemon would be able to have swords with them. Even then, its the origin of its design. If it was Samurott and just had the fucking beard, you'd never get where the Samurai part came from, even with just the swords you still wouldn't, you'd probably think "So why didn't they name him Sworott?". This design is still "easy on the eyes" as you can immediatly tell what he's supposed to be just like Blastoise.

There is such a thing as too simple and too complex and so far we have very few pokemon that even touch those boundaries. Not just found in newer generations either.

You can tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime but you cannot stand newer pokemon?

They aren't even easy on the eyes either!

 

[Nazulu]

Ultimate badass legendary gen1 -> current gen

I like the part where you complement Mewtwo but then insult Reshi-Kyurem. I'm just going leave a relatively simple pokemon design who I felt was badass:

1st. Right from the start, you can tell not only he's a legendary, but can kick your shit while not looking too complex.

No, I can't tell he's legendary and he isn't exactly complex but just looks like a mess. Once again, the really try-hard anime cliche' of having goofy hair, shit sticking out of everywhere and even it's mini-skirt. Funny, my captcha even says "over the top".

It's not that people bash new designs because they're different, it's because they are just théy're disappointing and we're allowed to criticise.

Also, cut the genwunner shit. Calling people 'trolls' was mostly used as an insult and banned because of it, this is no different. Just because someone disagree's with you, doesn't mean you can start labeling them.

 

[Terminate421]

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I don't hate people that are not into newer pokemon. I'm one to take on people who despise newer pokemon that:

A. Never actually played them
B. Couldn't find ONE design they liked

If you don't like newer generations of pokemon, fine, thats your choice, but don't attempt to ruin it for those that do.

Also, Darkrai ain't silly, he's got lots spikes but what do you expect from a demon who gives you nightmares. And how could you possibly not see the "Legendary" status he carried? Gamefreak uses design tips to give the impression of Legendary status, stand-alone colors for one, using prominent stuff to give you the impression of it's typing, then comes the little details which may give you insight as to what anomaly it rules over in its domain, Mewtwo is a clone, Zapdos is lightning, Lugia is storms, Zekrom is the idea of elecricity in general, Kyogre is the sea, and now Darkrai is a demon.

There is a massive difference between a troll and a genwunner, trolls intentionally piss people off, Genwunners whine, ***** and moan about something that they need to just deal with. Also, I just hate the phrase "shut up, X pokemon didn't happen!

Here's an example, I love Dead space, all of them are great, I saw the trailer for Dead Space 3 and shat my pants in fear of how bad and "not dead-spacey" it will be. This does not mean I will disregard it just because it's shit, I will know its there and one day I'll actually try it but I still regard it as a Dead Space game because it IS a Dead Space game.

 

[Ashadowpie]

i personally like gen 1 and 2 because they DO look like animals/plants, just with imagination. i was never into the inanimate object concept with pokemon no matter what gen, the new gen "plastic" look is just awful too.

 

[Nazulu]

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Blastoise was lazy. Whether you like it or not. Its lazy, people want plausible designs and they litterally added fucking metal cannons into his back. I think its plausible if that were to be able to exist that a pokemon would be able to have swords with them. Even then, its the origin of its design. If it was Samurott and just had the fucking beard, you'd never get where the Samurai part came from, even with just the swords you still wouldn't, you'd probably think "So why didn't they name him Sworott?". This design is still "easy on the eyes" as you can immediatly tell what he's supposed to be just like Blastoise.

There is such a thing as too simple and too complex and so far we have very few pokemon that even touch those boundaries. Not just found in newer generations either.

You can tolerate Jynx and Mr. Mime but you cannot stand newer pokemon?

They aren't even easy on the eyes either!

Hehe, whether you like it or not, gen 1 have better aesthetics and there is no problem with the cannons, they suit the character just fine, they don't stick out so much that it becomes a main focus. While the helmet and beard is too much. I can almost call him whacky in his design.

There is always a better way to do things and this isn't one of them. And just because he was meant the same position as Blastoise doesn't excuse it's tackiness.

 

[Terminate421]

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You and me see things quite differently.....added details mean little to me until they get to digimon level and yet here we are whining over complex/too simply designed pokemon.

I'm just gonna leave it at this:

All pokemon are pokemon. There is no better generation in terms of stats or design. I hope we get more pokemon at a decent pace.

i personally like gen 1 and 2 because they DO look like animals/plants, just with imagination. i was never into the inanimate object concept with pokemon no matter what gen, the new gen "plastic" look is just awful too.

Not one pokemon looks good? Come on...find something you like past generation.....3.

I'll give you a cookie if you're honest.

(For future reference, they still look like plants and animals.)

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

The Designs I don't mind too much, I mean sure some of them are weird, like that one that's just a Candle with a Face.
The thing that gets me though is the PokeDex Entry's, in all Gen's, not just current.
I forget which one, it was like a Balloon sorta thing, anyway, it is said that it is formed by A DEAD PERSON'S SOUL!.
I know that several adults enjoy pokemon, but lets not kid ourselves, It's aimed at kids, then I read stuff like this and...just DAMN.

 

[Nazulu]

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I don't hate people that are not into newer pokemon. I'm one to take on people who despise newer pokemon that:

A. Never actually played them
B. Couldn't find ONE design they liked

If you don't like newer generations of pokemon, fine, thats your choice, but don't attempt to ruin it for those that do.

Also, Darkrai ain't silly, he's got lots spikes but what do you expect from a demon who gives you nightmares. And how could you possibly not see the "Legendary" status he carried? Gamefreak uses design tips to give the impression of Legendary status, stand-alone colors for one, using prominent stuff to give you the impression of it's typing, then comes the little details which may give you insight as to what anomaly it rules over in its domain, Mewtwo is a clone, Zapdos is lightning, Lugia is storms, Zekrom is the idea of elecricity in general, Kyogre is the sea, and now Darkrai is a demon.

There is a massive difference between a troll and a genwunner, trolls intentionally piss people off, Genwunners whine, ***** and moan about something that they need to just deal with. Also, I just hate the phrase "shut up, X pokemon didn't happen!

Here's an example, I love Dead space, all of them are great, I saw the trailer for Dead Space 3 and shat my pants in fear of how bad and "not dead-spacey" it will be. This does not mean I will disregard it just because it's shit, I will know its there and one day I'll actually try it but I still regard it as a Dead Space game because it IS a Dead Space game.

Hahaha, you have a problem with people who couldn't find one design they liked? Also, am I ruining any thing for you? Does any one over the net actually ruin any thing for you?

No, I can't tell that any pokemon were legendary really, I just assumed it when they look really cool, Darkrai is just meh. I can't see any spikes on him, are you talking about the goofy collar? Or the bottom of his skirt thing?

Genwunners and trolls have one thing in common, they are both used as a quick insult because you can't abuse people here. Fucking don't do it, it's basically trolling.

As for people who say things don't happen, what the hells wrong with that? If they think it's so bad it shouldn't exist, well nothing is going to change that, especially not hostility. Seriously, the equivalent is having a problem with people who do accept things, and that just starts a chain reaction.

 

[Nazulu]

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You and me see things quite differently.....added details mean little to me until they get to digimon level and yet here we are whining over complex/too simply designed pokemon.

I'm just gonna leave it at this:

All pokemon are pokemon. There is no better generation in terms of stats or design. I hope we get more pokemon at a decent pace.

No ones fucking whining, stop being a drama queen.

Generation 1 and 2 has the most great designs out of all, I'm not gonna lie just to make the insecure people happy.

 

[Westaway]

Uh, yeah. That's why they're being called digimon, now.
But I mean, some of the first gen pokes suck. Eggsecute? Seriously? I bunch of eggs?
Mr Mime? Jinx? What the fuck ARE those?
Every gen has good AND bad designs, and no gen is better than any other.
Except Hoenn, which is not only confirmed but also the best.

 

[Dryk]

Okay...now I have to ***** at you.

Liking a design doesn't change one's dignity, how about playing the newer pokemon before hating on them.

I got the previous two generations on release, and own games from all five. How about not blindly hating everyone that dare question the direction the designs have taken.

Also, newer pokemon can totally coexist, why? Becuase newer pokemon are covering places older pokemon never went.

Where are penguins? Empoleon
Where are palm trees? Tropius
Where are actual dragons? Salamence
Where are sea turtles (Blastoise is a turle, not a sea turtle)? Caracosta

With out those, the ecosystem for pokemon would surely fall apart. In essence, newer generations are needed, I will agree that they are not all perfect but then again. Jynx and Mr. Mime are the worst looking and thought out pokemon ever. Also, there is such a thing as too simple:

I meant gameplay-wise, I thought that was obvious. I would rather complementary and coexisting new Pokemon, rather than "totally not Zubat" and "totally not Pidgey again"

 

[Phindin]

Okay. Like, how can you whine about inanimate object Pokemon while also heralding the Gen I designs? Yes, Litwick is a candle with a face. Hey wait.

Gastly is a ball of gas with a face.

Voltorb is just a ball with a face. Ditto with Electrode, obviously, thus completing far and away the laziest evolution progression in any generation. Except maybe Dugtrio. Wait that's Gen I too okay never mind.

Exeggcute is half a dozen eggs, each with a face. And it's Grass/Psychic? Are eggs plants? I thought they were in the protein food group, like with the fish. And they made them Psychic, too? Huh? Wait, is this real? Hello? Am I really typing this?

Magnemite is a ball with two magnets attached on each end. It doesn't even have a face, it just has an eye. Why do I get the impression that if Magnemite had come out in Gen V, people would be saying something along the lines of: "Wow they made a Pokemon out of a magnet? Jeez these guys are getting lazy. Then there's that bunch of eggs, too, how dumb is that. The Gen V designs are so stupid."