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So a new Pokemon game has come out and it answers none of the concerns or issues people had with Scarlet and Violet. Luckily the Switch 2 is strong enough to run their janky engine without issues.

The Legends game is sort of a spin off to the mainline titles and as a result this isn't a new generation. They didn't have to make any new pokemon, or moves, or stats, or interactions or anything with this game. And somehow Gamefreak STILL managed to underdeliver. I feel like any other serious game dev with the resources that Gamefreak SHOULD have would be able to make a massive pokemon game miles ahead of what GF continues to shit out.

Of course it's a kids game and they don't have to try because it's Pokemon and it'll sell millions no matter what. It's the same issue Madden games have, why try when you dont have to?

So the game plays weird. It's not really the same as Arceus, though it is based around that foundation of real time moving around and throwing your balls at helpless animals. However unless Arceus, this game is set entirely in a city and within the city are sort of instanced zones called wild areas where the wild pokemon are and the hunting aspect is basically lost. It's also and incredibly small city as far as video game maps go, on top of being rather lifeless and flat.

Battling works a little differently in that you and your pokemon can run freely around the battle area (even in trainer fights). Interestingly the old PP limit of pokemon moves is now gone. Instead you battle in real-time and your moves have a cooldown that depends on your pokemon's speed stat. It's kind of not great because you have to hold a lock-on button for the entire combat to get your pokemon to attack the enemy properly. Additionally there are moves that have range, so if you are too far you will miss, and projectiles have a travel time so you can run out of the way or the enemy can run out of the way of a fireball or whatever attack. The issue is that it's really awkward, and the only way to avoid better is to unlock-on the enemy so you sort of run blindly while they can still see and spam attacks at you. It's not great and it feels like a silly attempt to shake of the battle formula, which I would have much rather them had focused on more content.

There are also shiny exploits because now shinies dont despawn apparently so if you accidentally miss one in the wild area, it will always be there until you interact with it. So some people are unhappy about that because they feel that the magic of a shiny is the fear of potentially losing/missing out on it. But I dont really care about this, so it's whatever to me.

Otherwise the story is a generic boring pokemon story for kids so i can't really be mad at it. It's just overall a game that is really showing it's lazy age.
 

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The pokemon games since crystal. I didn't even finish that one. I'm not surprised nor shocked at the slightest. Pokemon has been the same game for over twenty five years now.

 

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Oh its actually different? I thought it was just another ''yellow'' entry.
 

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Oh its actually different? I thought it was just another ''yellow'' entry.
Not by much from what I've heard, and whatever new mechanics the game has will be dropped when the next mainline game comes out.
 

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So does it even have a proper name or is it just called 'New Pokemon Game'? Cause that will get confusing when the next one comes out.
 

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Which really make it sounds like its either a remake or related to X/Y, terrible name for a non mainline entry.
Legends connects it back to Legends: Arceus, which it's meant to be a direct follow-up to AFAIK, and Z-A does in fact call out X/Y. While I'm not familiar with the story of Z-A, I do know that it's set primarily in Lumiose City, the largest city in Kalos, and based on how the title is drawn on the box, Zygarde is probably involved somehow.

Neither part of the title is as far off-base as you're making out.
 

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Legends connects it back to Legends: Arceus, which it's meant to be a direct follow-up to AFAIK, and Z-A does in fact call out X/Y. While I'm not familiar with the story of Z-A, I do know that it's set primarily in Lumiose City, the largest city in Kalos, and based on how the title is drawn on the box, Zygarde is probably involved somehow.

Neither part of the title is as far off-base as you're making out.
The problem isn't setting relation, its that to someone who hasn't really followed mainline pokemon entry, because its just the same game being remade over and over again, its really not clear that Z-A is something different.

Like arceus was a different entry with a unique gameplay, and so it wasn't name something that made it sound like it was just another remake or 3rd game of a previous generation. Like, imagine legend of arceus was instead called something like "Grey legend" or w/e, everyone would assume it would have been either a remake/3rd game of black/white, even if the name made sense in game, it would have been a terrible name to advertise it.

If the point of Z-A name is that its all about Luminose city, then something like "City flash!" or w/e would have been better, since it wouldn't have directly re called an earlier entry.

When I was reading any mention of Z-A I just assumed that it either was a "Yellow" entry for that generation or that it was a remake or black2/white2 situation (with the two sister game being Z or A) and so I ignored the information and just scrolled past.
 
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Which really make it sounds like its either a remake or related to X/Y, terrible name for a non mainline entry.
I have a hypothesis that Legends Z/A ended up using lots of abandoned plot points a few people assumed would show up in the hypothetical Pokemon Z but obviously never materialised. Zygarde chief among them and the expansion of the character of Atoz added into the bargain. So it is kind of related, and I've seen it written elsewhere that the Legends games are used as test beds for new mechanics for the mainline. Now I don't know if that's true since we haven't had a mainline release since Scarlet/Violet but it will be interesting to see.
 
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I kinda got off the pokemon train right before it went in an ugly direction so my memories are all great. Basically, the last game I played was Sun/Moon. As a kid I was a massive fan and around gen 4 I got into ev and IV training and so on. Sadly, on the move to the switch main games they shifted the look of the games into this weirdly generic pseudo-realistic look, replacing the beloved fully anime style aesthetic the series was all about for some 20 years.

Also that time coincided with the release of World of Final Fantasy, which is actually a pokemon clone where the pokemon are FF enemies from all the series, and the story is kinda like a kindom hearts style medley through all FF games, and they just fix a lot of issues with the pokemon formula in that game that make the quality of life experience infinitely superior, stuff like being able to choose your evolution for free and being able to go back and forth, and there being a purpose to using a lower form, stuff like pokeballs being just a single infinitely reusable resource that you don't need to buy, being able to turn off encounters without needing to spam repels every moment, a main story that's actually worth playing for challenge instead of being something you blast through on the way to the postgame which is where the real game begins, just so many little things that make everything more fun, while also adding FF levels of production values, polish and lore. Basically world of FF kinda killed pokemon for me at just the right moment. Also it had fixed camera angles like ps1 FF games. And the look of everything was so good while also being super cute.


And jump into the present, the new Digimon Story game which just came out looks SO much better than the new pokemon. I always said growing up that pokemon games are way better than digimon but the digimon anime is better than the pokemon anime, but I guess the digimon games now caught up. I think the core thing is that digimon has retained its identity instead of muddling itself to pursue mass westerner appeal.


This just looks so clean





Meanwhile what is this:

This thing looks like evolved Miis from the Wii and 3DS platforms replacing the classical human models and the pokemon are made bland enough to match them. Heracross was my bro too...
 
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I always said growing up that pokemon games are way better than digimon but the digimon anime is better than the pokemon anime, but I guess the digimon games now caught up.
A lot of Digimon games were already better than Pokemon games, is just that we got a lot of the crappy ones in the west during 5th generation, and most of 6th generation. Really wasn't until seventh generation that we were actually finally getting good ones on both sides of the pacific.

I one hundred percent agree that the Digimon tv shows will always be better than the Pokémon TV shows.
 
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A lot of Digimon games were already better than Pokemon games, is just that se got a lot of the crappy ones in the west during 5th generation, and most of 6th generation. Really wasn't until seventh generation that we were actually finally getting good ones on both sides of the pacific.

I one hundred percent agree that the Digimon tv shows will always be better than the Pokémon TV shows.
Yeah back when I would say that the best thing Digimon had to offer was something like Digimon World 2 for the ps1. Which wasn't terrible mind you, but it was kinda experimental and weird and temperamental. The turn based combat aspect was good, just everything around it was kinda messy.


And the digimon anime is just legit good. It starts out as a kid's show but gets dark and real by the end for sure. Digimon Tri I actually call Digimon Cri cause that thing WILL make a grown man cry lmao. And it makes sense once you realize Toei animated it. I always wondered how they got Masako Nozawa to voice Guilemon but then it made sense. Toei made dragonball and slam dunk and a bunch of classics.
 
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And jump into the present, the new Digimon Story game which just came out looks SO much better than the new pokemon. I always said growing up that pokemon games are way better than digimon but the digimon anime is better than the pokemon anime, but I guess the digimon games now caught up. I think the core thing is that digimon has retained its identity instead of muddling itself to pursue mass westerner appeal.
While I really liked the Digimon series I watched, haven't seen anything new. It was annoying how so many of the digilutions ended up just being people in armor. Anyway, how is the game what does it play like?
 

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While I really liked the Digimon series I watched, haven't seen anything new. It was annoying how so many of the digilutions ended up just being people in armor. Anyway, how is the game what does it play like?
There was a phase of digimons and the kids merging and ending up being anthropomorphic, season 4 was especially bad in that respect since there were no partner digimon for the most part, the kids just became digimon, which imo was the weakest point in the series, at least in Tamers that anthropomorphic element didn't happen until the last evolution where the kids fused with the digimon.

But yeah watch Digimon Tri, it takes the first and second gen kids and grows them up and thrusts them into fucked up situations. It's a mix of nostalgia and drama that you definitely don't expect, it has themes of growing up and abandoning your digimon as part of that, it tackles the struggle of transitioning into adulthood in a really nuanced way. If you liked season 1-2 at all you're bound to love Tri. It's also real high quality ovas too, not a super long episodic anime like the main seasons, so the animation quality is there. The project was done as part of an anniversary for the series, going back to the roots and since it's using those earlier digimon there's really not many of em who look like armored humans, the closest I guess would be Angemon or something.

As for Time Stranger, it's basically a full on story based Jrpg. Classic turn based combat, lots of freedom in creating your team and evolving them, elemental weaknesses and whatnot, really fancy super moves that are kicked up a notch. Basically everything you'd think of when you imagine a full featured digimon Jrpg is there. Also you can ride on your digimon if they're big enough, that's always fun.

Story without spoilers is basically a mystery where you explore a calamity that destroyed the world and are trying to find out what happened. It's kinda open-ended in a good way as you go in.
 
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There was a phase of digimons and the kids merging and ending up being anthropomorphic, season 4 was especially bad in that respect since there were no partner digimon for the most part, the kids just became digimon, which imo was the weakest point in the series, at least in Tamers that anthropomorphic element didn't happen until the last evolution where the kids fused with the digimon.
I've only watched the first 3 seasons so I'll avoid those. Suppose I need to look into Tri.

As for Time Stranger, it's basically a full on story based Jrpg. Classic turn based combat, lots of freedom in creating your team and evolving them, elemental weaknesses and whatnot, really fancy super moves that are kicked up a notch. Basically everything you'd think of when you imagine a full featured digimon Jrpg is there. Also you can ride on your digimon if they're big enough, that's always fun.
Can you really interact with your digimon, like talk to them and such, or are they just more chatty pokemon?
 

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I've only watched the first 3 seasons so I'll avoid those. Suppose I need to look into Tri.

Yeah first 3 and their respective movies are the heart of the series imo. Absolute must watch. And I promise you you will enjoy Tri.


Can you really interact with your digimon, like talk to them and such, or are they just more chatty pokemon?
You can, if you've played SMT5 it's kinda like how that handles demons, you chat with them and they all have their quirks and personalities. Also, the digimon's personality determines what they will eventually evolve into so you can kinda steer them a certain way or try out various things. Also it's just plainly part of the story too, you can't have a digimon game without bonding with your digimon being a core part of the story. Also there's a bunch of side chars who, while not party members in a Jrpg sense, are kinda like social links where you bond with them and their digimon too and that helps propel the story forward. This stuff is integrated into the main plot too.
 

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You can, if you've played SMT5 it's kinda like how that handles demons, you chat with them and they all have their quirks and personalities. Also, the digimon's personality determines what they will eventually evolve into so you can kinda steer them a certain way or try out various things. Also it's just plainly part of the story too, you can't have a digimon game without bonding with your digimon being a core part of the story. Also there's a bunch of side chars who, while not party members in a Jrpg sense, are kinda like social links where you bond with them and their digimon too and that helps propel the story forward. This stuff is integrated into the main plot too.
Hmm, interesting, ok, I'll throw it on the list.
 
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