New Science Offers Regenerating Muscles To The Elderly

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hypothetical fact said:
Douk said:
Why do we want people to live longer.
If people can remain healthy enough to work into old age it will slow the mounting problems of aging population in first world countries.
Remember kids, cynicism does not equal intelligence.
It does if I only talk to myself :)

You're describing a perfect world where humans do exactly as biologically planned. We actually have no idea if it will work because people are unpredictable. I was really just posting against over population :p
 

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Honestly, I'm with the first guy. Regardless of science's ability to make us immortal, I'd rather not exist past 30. Assuming I live that long anyway, I've long been planning to eat a gun to avoid even the idea that I've become old.
Your profile saids your were born in 1983. By my accounts that means that your way past your expiration date. ^_^
do the math again. his expiration is in 2013 - still 4 years away.
 

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Hmmm.. Suddenly I care about making it past 60... *puts out cigarette* >_>
 

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theultimateend said:
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Hopefully in my lifetime. I'd love to live for millenia and watch humanity evolve. I have strong feelings that intellectuality will begin to consume people as technology becomes more and more exotic and exciting. I hope I'm right :).
that is if we are lucky enougth for this to happen in our lifetime, and lucky enougth afterwords not to get trapped somewhere, or go insaine.
I'm sure starvation would still kill you :). Unless our bodies started generating energy from the gasses in the air around us.
i thought we were theoretically talking about true imortality here, oh well.
 

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Abedeus said:
You do know that the average age in the Old Days was about 30-40 tops? Now it's over 80 in Europe/USA/Oceania and 60-70 in the rest of the world.

Also, you seem to forget that with the extended lifespan, you won't be old at the age of 60. You'll be old at the age of 80-90. You'll enjoy your youth for a bit longer, have good health for those 20-30 years more and hey, maybe euthanasia will be made legal, so you can say "I've had enough" whenever you want.
No, I still don't understand what would people do over the age of 60. The age for retirement would increase I guess, so we would retire at 80. So we'd just continue doing our routine, bland jobs for a couple of decades more.
Oh, and while we're at euthanasia, why don't we install crystals in our hands that change color depending on how old we are, and legalize an age limit? Because that will happen, sooner or later.
 

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retro himself said:
Abedeus said:
You do know that the average age in the Old Days was about 30-40 tops? Now it's over 80 in Europe/USA/Oceania and 60-70 in the rest of the world.

Also, you seem to forget that with the extended lifespan, you won't be old at the age of 60. You'll be old at the age of 80-90. You'll enjoy your youth for a bit longer, have good health for those 20-30 years more and hey, maybe euthanasia will be made legal, so you can say "I've had enough" whenever you want.
No, I still don't understand what would people do over the age of 60. The age for retirement would increase I guess, so we would retire at 80. So we'd just continue doing our routine, bland jobs for a couple of decades more.
Oh, and while we're at euthanasia, why don't we install crystals in our hands that change color depending on how old we are, and legalize an age limit? Because that will happen, sooner or later.
Maybe people would want to have the limit higher, just so they aren't afraid of death at an age of 50. You know there are a lot of people who die way, way, WAY before their time because of some genetic diseases and so on? Logically, if the lifespan is extended, those people might enjoy living their lives for 5 or 10 years more.

While I do agree with you that there is nothing glorious or promising later in the life (but I'm talking more about 70-75, as 60 is still more of an old-adult rather than a grandpa/grandma), but some people just like it. Some of them like seeing their children and grandchildren grow up, never visit them, and fake niceness at Christmas.

Also, you wouldn't have to worry about being impotent at an age of 40-50. Ten or fifteen years more of activity sounds good, no?
 

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Alright, time for me to be the evil guy again.

I think this is good science but a bad idea for the time frame. This is coming from someone with a very old family full of sick and dying seniors.

Right now the world is already dealing with an overpopulation problem, and in the US we have issues with our system under a TON of pressure from the "lost generation" (Generation X), the Baby Boomers not stepping down to leave their jobs open for their successors, and medication and such bringing seniors our of retirement so they can come and compete with the young 'uns for low-end jobs to augement their social security and such.

To an extent I think it's the wrong time for this science, and really we should be letting these people retire/die as bad as it is. Sure helping "my pop" is a nice thing that everyone wants, but overall on a societal level that's a REALLY bad thing.

Now, down the road I think this technology is something we should have. Centuries from now if we unify the globe, manage to expand into space, and other things then expanding human lives and quality of life as far as it can go will be a good thing. Right now however society just can't deal with it.

A lot of old people will say "do you just want to let me to rot and die?" and the short answer to that is a painful "yes" because frankly there are bigger issues for everyone to think about involved.

It's also noteworthy that releasing such technology is liable to cause a period where it will be expensive and only availible to the richest 1% of society. When dealing with things that could expand capabilities and lifetimes this is a problem right now. I could easily see a situation where we achieve a small group of rich immortals (over a period of time, using things besides this) who rule over the people who simply cannot afford to extend their lives like that.

As far as socializing health care and making this stuff availible to everyone, well I'm not sure if it's practical, and the realities of maintaining such a system are likely to require the intentional "gimping" of research and such. Besides, if it works it still causes problems with generational replacement, not to mention an expanding population where nobody dies.

We had an oppertunity to embrace Zero Population Growth after WW II pruned the global population. We did not do so. As such some of the problems with science like this is one of the prices we pay for the "Baby Boom".

God forbid with some of our current issues we have fully capable 80 year olds running around having babies with Viagra and such. That's where this is rapidly going. While unrelated to THIS technology things like the infamous "Octomom" pretty much show the dark side of bio-science and what it can mean from a sociological perspective.

At any rate, one of the reasons why I'm such a war monger is that the reasons don't really matter so much as the fact that we need to reduce the number of people again, and since we can't exactly cull our population like cattle, war is the best way of doing it. Oh sure maybe some huge natural disaster will come along, kill billions, and "save us" despite the tradgedy but I donb't think so. Besides a PROPER war might very well unite the globe which is perhaps the biggest thing humanity needs.
 

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Oh good, I can't wait to wrestle 80 year old pensioners

I don't want immortality, the world is crowded enough as it is and it's horrifying seeing people get so old they can't do anything
 

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retro himself said:
Stem cells. Figures. Science can solve everything, given enough dead babies.
Well, what else are dead babies good for, except just piling up in people's garages?
 

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I dunno... it would be awesome to have my grandparents live forever, but just imagine a world where a potential Hitler or Stalin could live forever. Would anyone (especially the people living under them) ever want to have that happen?

Besides, living forever would simply make people even more afraid of death. After living 100-200 years, you'd probably become even more attached to yourself then before (if it were even possible), and I know for a fact that the dictators and less moralistic people of the world would still be willing to threaten others to get their way.
 

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I dunno... it would be awesome to have my grandparents live forever, but just imagine a world where a potential Hitler or Stalin could live forever. Would anyone (especially the people living under them) ever want to have that happen?

Besides, living forever would simply make people even more afraid of death. After living 100-200 years, you'd probably become even more attached to yourself then before (if it were even possible), and I know for a fact that the dictators and less moralistic people of the world would still be willing to threaten others to get their way.
Actually, Hitler offed himself, so he wouldn't be living any longer regardless :D
 

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zidine100 said:
theultimateend said:
zidine100 said:
theultimateend said:
Hopefully in my lifetime. I'd love to live for millenia and watch humanity evolve. I have strong feelings that intellectuality will begin to consume people as technology becomes more and more exotic and exciting. I hope I'm right :).
that is if we are lucky enougth for this to happen in our lifetime, and lucky enougth afterwords not to get trapped somewhere, or go insaine.
I'm sure starvation would still kill you :). Unless our bodies started generating energy from the gasses in the air around us.
i thought we were theoretically talking about true imortality here, oh well.
I was working off of immortality via the removal of aging deaths. Basically what I figure life would be like if it was made by a sentient being.

Basically people die when they want to die or because of stupidity, not simply because they've been alive "too long".