New York City Councilor Calls For RapeLay Boycott
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I have to agree; this is a very good point. In a country that already happily sells Greatest Hits copies of the Hitman series (where the player is put into the role of a murderer, with an objective to repeatedly murder, with options on how to murder, and rewards for murder), the outrage over this game seems... belated. Out of sequence, almost. I absolutely consider both rape and murder to be absolutely terrible crimes to commit, but if you asked me straightforwardly which I thought was worse, I would answer "the one where the chance of recovery afterward remains irrevocably zero."mattttherman3 said:
This whole situation is akin to having your girlfriend, after three years of happily forming a strong and vivacious sexual relationship with you, freak out suddenly when you casually suggest that a handjob would be nice one day.
You, sir, have made my day. :-DAlucadrian said:
Speaking as someone who has actually played this game, it's pretty messed up but nothing to get too worked up about. I can honestly say I have seen more disturbing stuff float over here from Japan, and this thing isn't even being sold here. It was made by a company well known for making weird (and usually rather stupid, "bouncy-bouncy") sex games, and they have never released a title over here because they know that their stuff isn't "culturally acceptable."
You know, I actually want to send this councilor a copy of the game, or at least a demo, just to see how he'd react.
Intriguing. So you have played it? And it's nothing that hasn't already been done in Japanese media before, you say, and worse.
*pauses a moment* ...Now THAT is interesting. I just realized that possibility shouldn't have surprised me at all, yet it did. It means that to some minor degree I did actually buy into the crazy outraged hype that's cropped up surrounding the game; otherwise, why wouldn't it seem equally as likely that the whole thing was just "Hot Coffee" all over again in terms of molehills to mountains? And I'm a serious gamer with strong opinions about the viability and art present in the genre, too.
Hm. I shall have to be more diligent in the future, to avoid letting my perceptions get crossed that way, even to so small a degree. A rational being should still require evidence before concluding.
*pauses a moment* ...Now THAT is interesting. I just realized that possibility shouldn't have surprised me at all, yet it did. It means that to some minor degree I did actually buy into the crazy outraged hype that's cropped up surrounding the game; otherwise, why wouldn't it seem equally as likely that the whole thing was just "Hot Coffee" all over again in terms of molehills to mountains? And I'm a serious gamer with strong opinions about the viability and art present in the genre, too.
Hm. I shall have to be more diligent in the future, to avoid letting my perceptions get crossed that way, even to so small a degree. A rational being should still require evidence before concluding.
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Generally I'd agree, but the difference is that the novel you read wasn't centered completely around rape. Same goes with Braveheart. The movie "A Clockwork Orange", for example was banned for something around 30 years for some of the most brutal physical and sexual violence in a motion picture, but the difference between the movie and the video game was that in the movie, it was necesary.
To demonstrate the point to which the characters in the film were "messed up" for lack of a better word, they HAD to show those scenes of violence. They couldn't just say "These boys are bad! We won't say what they've done, or show what they've done... but you can IMAGINE!"
RapeLay on the other hand is centered ENTIRELY on the goal of raping two women. Are they using it to enforce a point? Not that I can see, it's basically "Here are some victems... Go". And we have to admit that video games are slightly more immersive than movies. For your only goal during the hour or two it takes you to play this game to be violating people is pretty damn "messed up". Oh, and the force-the-daughter-to-have-an-abortion-mini-game doesn't exactly scream "fun for the whole family" to me, either.
I'm actually insulted that no one who worked on this game thought of this as a bad idea...
I can only hope that the dumbass polititian who gave this game free publicity did so only in the attempts to make Jack Thompson choke on his own erection.
Generally I'd agree, but the difference is that the novel you read wasn't centered completely around rape. Same goes with Braveheart. The movie "A Clockwork Orange", for example was banned for something around 30 years for some of the most brutal physical and sexual violence in a motion picture, but the difference between the movie and the video game was that in the movie, it was necesary.
To demonstrate the point to which the characters in the film were "messed up" for lack of a better word, they HAD to show those scenes of violence. They couldn't just say "These boys are bad! We won't say what they've done, or show what they've done... but you can IMAGINE!"
RapeLay on the other hand is centered ENTIRELY on the goal of raping two women. Are they using it to enforce a point? Not that I can see, it's basically "Here are some victems... Go". And we have to admit that video games are slightly more immersive than movies. For your only goal during the hour or two it takes you to play this game to be violating people is pretty damn "messed up". Oh, and the force-the-daughter-to-have-an-abortion-mini-game doesn't exactly scream "fun for the whole family" to me, either.
I'm actually insulted that no one who worked on this game thought of this as a bad idea...
I can only hope that the dumbass polititian who gave this game free publicity did so only in the attempts to make Jack Thompson choke on his own erection.
Well it's a messed up game certainly: humiliating and raping a woman and her two daughters until they become your willing sex slaves. But on the other hand it's not like they hide it or anything... You want a rape simulator? You GET a rape simulator, happy creepy consumer! :-DAlucadrian said:
I'd say Hot Coffee was a bigger debacle than this thing could ever be. Politicians made themselves look like idiots by making a big deal out of a deleted sex mini-game you had to willingly alter the game to access, Rockstar made themselves look like idiots by blaming the whole thing on hackers (which wasn't true), and Jack Thompson was... just an idiot.
I just wanted to say that, if you're curious about what the game is like (you horrible, horrible person) I'm quite sure Something Awful reviewed it (yes, I'm a horrible, horrible person). Won't link to it because a) don't wanna be banned and b) too lazy.
Still, shouldn't the game still be protected by the First Amendment? Yeah, it's gross and offensive to most people, but so are all kinds of pornography, up to and including rape-porn... If Rapelay wasn't a game and instead an animated porno film (aka hentai, which has been available in the west for years), would we even be having this discussion?0nieladb said:
The problem I see here is that the media and the government seem to want hold games to a "higher standard" than other forms of media such as films, books or music. Or that First Amendment protection shouldn't apply for some obtuse reason or another i.e. games are more "immersive" or are marketed to only to children, etc., etc.
It all still falls under artistic expression, and while some of it might be repulsive I'd rather simply excersize my right to not indulge in it, rather then leaving it to the state make that decision for me. In a capitalist society the garbage (bad art) usually ends up on the bottom, anyways......
thats the most intelligent thing ive heard about america in a whileMilkman Dan said:
i believe that mostly for most people it seems cool to hate on america just like this:were all fat
ok well british girls are all ugly
canadians live in igloos
and french hate america and like stinky cheese
sterotype sterotype sterotype so annoying
anyway ya i didnt even know and wouldnt have found out about this game if it wasnt for all these retards broadcasting it
edit:i dont think this game should be banned because of first amendment (spelled wrong i know but im in a hurry) and that even though its unacceptable over here in the west japan might accept is because of cultures being so different and its not like explict things havent been shown before in movies books tv shows and for the love of god plays (dont ask about that last one) theirs is a very clear thing on the cover of the game showing that 7 year olds shouldnt play it and therefore it should be up to parents to decide what kids can and cant play and that the government doing so is stupid althought on the flipside i applude them for doing what they think is best for its people they may be wrong and there is no doubt 7 year olds dont play it but still
KUDOUS TO CONGRESS
Watch me pretend to be a First Amendment expert...Yog Sothoth said:
If material is determined to be obscene, then it becomes exempt from First Amendment protections: Governments can ban it outright. The tricky bit comes in determining obscenity; the Supreme Court of the US settled on the concept of "variable tolerance," which essentially means that obscene materials in Topeka may be perfectly acceptable elsewhere. RapeLay is unarguably pornographic which means its sale to children can be legally restricted (unlike most videogames), and if determined to be obscene by a state government can be legally banned from sale in that state. The First Amendment goes a long way but it doesn't cover forcible buggery of children.
(As always, anyone who actually is a First Amendment expert is welcome to correct any errors I may have just made.)
No, I think you did a pretty good impression there.... I know that the First Amendment isn't a catch-all or anything like that, but usually media is given the benefit of the doubt. Also, I've never heard of any state actually deeming a book, movie or game as obscene, at least not in recent years. However, I'm not saying that it doesn't still happen, mind you....Malygris said:
EDIT: Couple of related questions that came to mind....
If an article of art or media is created outside of the U.S., is it still protected by the First Amendment? Is there a law professor in the house.....?
Many XXX DVDs now have interactive features that could be considered games. Where do you draw the line to distinguish a game from a film? Would an adult, interactive DVD ever be subject to the ESRB?
Well, Fellow escapians, I have just finished playing about an hour of the game (Which I feel is long enough for an accurate idea of it). I have found that while the characters are modeled well and it has a plot at least, it is a rather crappy game. For one thing, there are massive clipping issues when it comes to intercourse with the females in question and the visuals are rather unsatisfying. Another thing is that the english translation quite frankly sucks. I mean, you get those random alt code squiggles a lot. Every scene starts off with you molesting the, I have to say, rather willing and easily exciteable girl. Now I know what you are thinking, "Hand, you are just a big pervert." Well, as any of my friends will tell you, that is true, but even I didnt find this game hot. It was more like, "O.k., now when is this going to pick up...?" In short, we have very little to fear from this game becoming a new gta.
P.S. I didnt see any murder in the game, either.
P.S. I didnt see any murder in the game, either.
I have tried the game out, and there is no such thing. There simply is a choice like: "Do you want to let her abort the baby." If you do, she simply is slender again. If you don't she murders you after a few days. (which is only depicted by her holding a knife and some text)0nieladb said:
Also, the actual rape part, the story is minimal, after playing that through you get a sandbox which is no different than other eroges.
It is definitly not even close to deserving such an uproar ^^
Also, more importantly, Rapelay has actual rape. Whereas Mass Effect doesn't even mention it in any wording whatsoever.ShadowKirby said:
I have just finished playing this game and honestly i don't see what all the fuss is about.
Ive seen worse on my friends computer.
This game was not fun, or entertaining in the least.
Its people like this politician who make me somewhat ashamed of being American.
Also if any of you ever hear people talking about games in complete ignorance i suggest that you set them straight (through conversation) its fun to completely destroy peoples ideas about video games.
Ive seen worse on my friends computer.
This game was not fun, or entertaining in the least.
Its people like this politician who make me somewhat ashamed of being American.
Also if any of you ever hear people talking about games in complete ignorance i suggest that you set them straight (through conversation) its fun to completely destroy peoples ideas about video games.