Now thats a crazy idea!NeutralMunchHotel said:Las Vegas, but you know, new.
Hey, New Vegas!
They should totally do that!
Now thats a crazy idea!NeutralMunchHotel said:Las Vegas, but you know, new.
Hey, New Vegas!
They should totally do that!
Who's to say that Europe didn't construct nuclear bunkers or it's own version of Vaults during or before the resource wars?Ultratwinkie said:Fallout bible. Europe tried to invade the Middle East, and in the process the middle east is destroyed. All oil resource there either used DURING the war or destroyed by it. Europe was weakened, and eventually European nations destroyed each other.Nickolai77 said:Care to explain? I've been browsing Fallout Wikia and found no evidence to suggest that Europe was "dead" before the Great War. Sure it was screwed up, but to my knowledge the European Commonwealth only dissolved before nuclear war broke out, and it's perfectly reasonable to suppose that Europe had fallout shelters.Ultratwinkie said:You never read the canon did you? Europe was dead BEFORE the war.
Fallout shelters are notoriously fail prone (and useless). Only a vault had the ability to survive a blast, and even then the vault would still have a high chance of failure.
The Vaults are estimated to have cost something like 600 billion dollars, which is a lot of money yes- but the vaults were constructed to last some 900 years and also serve as a social experiment. They could have been made a lot cheaper.Ultratwinkie said:The fallout bible. America was the only nation rich enough to afford these kinds of measures. Even China's government failed to survive the great war.Nickolai77 said:Who's to say that Europe didn't construct nuclear bunkers or it's own version of Vaults during or before the resource wars?Ultratwinkie said:Fallout bible. Europe tried to invade the Middle East, and in the process the middle east is destroyed. All oil resource there either used DURING the war or destroyed by it. Europe was weakened, and eventually European nations destroyed each other.Nickolai77 said:Care to explain? I've been browsing Fallout Wikia and found no evidence to suggest that Europe was "dead" before the Great War. Sure it was screwed up, but to my knowledge the European Commonwealth only dissolved before nuclear war broke out, and it's perfectly reasonable to suppose that Europe had fallout shelters.Ultratwinkie said:You never read the canon did you? Europe was dead BEFORE the war.
Fallout shelters are notoriously fail prone (and useless). Only a vault had the ability to survive a blast, and even then the vault would still have a high chance of failure.
The reason why so many of the vaults failed was because their purpose was experimentation. For instance, Vault 27 was deliberately over crowded, 34 over-stocked with weapons and the inhabitants of vault 106 were subject to Psychoactive drugs. Other vaults such as vault 76 and vault 8 were control vaults, designed to open after 20 years and were successful. Because the controls vaults were only meant to be inhabited for a short space of time and didn't have the additional costs of experimentation, they would have been more affordable.Ultratwinkie said:You do realize that they spent that money on a product that mostly failed right? Most vaults that actually survived were on the west coast with the second version of the vault door (fallout 3 and New Vegas had the old version which failed much more frequently). This is the chief reason that the west coast is so advanced compared to the east. The west coast had the newer and more recent vault versions. Considering this, it would be impossible to have vaults (that were effective) anywhere else as they only popped up in California (the only ones we know with the seal-n-safe door).
The Fallout bible has gone through nine, perhaps 10 volumes, and isn't to be considered gospel. As Avellone writes in Fallout Bible 0: Ideally, the information contained in these updates will be revised in the future based on your comments and possible evidence gathered from within the game. So, this does leave room for alternations to allow for human survivors outside of America if the Fallout fan's want it to be.The fallout bible may be a developer commentary, but it contained a lot of the lore that we wouldn't have known otherwise. Avellone may have made mistakes here and there (it was corrected later) but overall it was answered by the entire team, only written by Chris Avellone. Latin America is possible, yet according to the lore most of the mutations were done by FEV. A chemical only America had.
I doubt Europe could, with the resource war, Eruope was basicaly destroyed and then was hit by nukes. Plus the vaults were origanlly going to be used just to see how Humans would react, they never thought they would actually have to use them. From this its easy to conclude that people weren't rushing to build them all around the world because they never thought it would come to a nuclear war.Nickolai77 said:The reason why so many of the vaults failed was because their purpose was experimentation. For instance, Vault 27 was deliberately over crowded, 34 over-stocked with weapons and the inhabitants of vault 106 were subject to Psychoactive drugs. Other vaults such as vault 76 and vault 8 were control vaults, designed to open after 20 years and were successful. Because the controls vaults were only meant to be inhabited for a short space of time and didn't have the additional costs of experimentation, they would have been more affordable.Ultratwinkie said:You do realize that they spent that money on a product that mostly failed right? Most vaults that actually survived were on the west coast with the second version of the vault door (fallout 3 and New Vegas had the old version which failed much more frequently). This is the chief reason that the west coast is so advanced compared to the east. The west coast had the newer and more recent vault versions. Considering this, it would be impossible to have vaults (that were effective) anywhere else as they only popped up in California (the only ones we know with the seal-n-safe door).
Theoretically, China or Europe could have constructed vaults designed to protect maybe less than a hundred inhabitants for a space of about six months- these vaults would have come at a fraction of the cost of the Vaultec Vaults.
The Fallout bible has gone through nine, perhaps 10 volumes, and isn't to be considered gospel. As Avellone writes in Fallout Bible 0: Ideally, the information contained in these updates will be revised in the future based on your comments and possible evidence gathered from within the game. So, this does leave room for alternations to allow for human survivors outside of America if the Fallout fan's want it to be.The fallout bible may be a developer commentary, but it contained a lot of the lore that we wouldn't have known otherwise. Avellone may have made mistakes here and there (it was corrected later) but overall it was answered by the entire team, only written by Chris Avellone. Latin America is possible, yet according to the lore most of the mutations were done by FEV. A chemical only America had.
I'm with Nickolai; I haven't read the "Fallout Bible" myself, but I see no reason why they couldn't devise some scenario by which people on other continents survived. Hell, that would make an excellent story for a Fallout game, wouldn't it? Your character manages to get some kind of pre-war communication device working and gets in contact with people outside of America, and the game eventually leads to meeting this new "race" of humans/human-like individuals.Nickolai77 said:The reason why so many of the vaults failed was because their purpose was experimentation. For instance, Vault 27 was deliberately over crowded, 34 over-stocked with weapons and the inhabitants of vault 106 were subject to Psychoactive drugs. Other vaults such as vault 76 and vault 8 were control vaults, designed to open after 20 years and were successful. Because the controls vaults were only meant to be inhabited for a short space of time and didn't have the additional costs of experimentation, they would have been more affordable.Ultratwinkie said:You do realize that they spent that money on a product that mostly failed right? Most vaults that actually survived were on the west coast with the second version of the vault door (fallout 3 and New Vegas had the old version which failed much more frequently). This is the chief reason that the west coast is so advanced compared to the east. The west coast had the newer and more recent vault versions. Considering this, it would be impossible to have vaults (that were effective) anywhere else as they only popped up in California (the only ones we know with the seal-n-safe door).
Theoretically, China or Europe could have constructed vaults designed to protect maybe less than a hundred inhabitants for a space of about six months- these vaults would have come at a fraction of the cost of the Vaultec Vaults.
The Fallout bible has gone through nine, perhaps 10 volumes, and isn't to be considered gospel. As Avellone writes in Fallout Bible 0: Ideally, the information contained in these updates will be revised in the future based on your comments and possible evidence gathered from within the game. So, this does leave room for alternations to allow for human survivors outside of America if the Fallout fan's want it to be.The fallout bible may be a developer commentary, but it contained a lot of the lore that we wouldn't have known otherwise. Avellone may have made mistakes here and there (it was corrected later) but overall it was answered by the entire team, only written by Chris Avellone. Latin America is possible, yet according to the lore most of the mutations were done by FEV. A chemical only America had.
This, I was looking forward to that place ever since the android quest, and when Doctor Madison Lee left to the institute i was feeling that they would create a new DLC, then enter Fallout new vegas, with it's superior writing and funnier quests it was the death of all my Fallout 3 needs and dreams, apart from this one. I want to go to the institute and groinkick that old geezer!GodsOneMistake said:I would like to have gone to the commonwealth, I think it's pretty weird we never made it there
Fallout is probably a bit inconsistent with the devastation that the bombs caused versus their power. According to Wikia, most of the ( There are a couple of exceptions such as the one which landed on DC) of the nuclear bombs used in the Great War where equivalent to that of those used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, about 10-20 kilatons, which have a blast radius of no more than 3000 yards (about 1 and 3/4 of a mile- but for i'll round it up to 2 miles.) Unless every 2 square miles of US, Russian, Chinese and European soil took a direct hit from one of these weapons it's hard to believe that an ordinary nuclear bunker would have been damaged by the blast when most such bunkers would have been outside the blast radius.Ultratwinkie said:What you're thinking of is regular fallout shelters. If you actually read the lore the moment the bombs hit all the design flaws came out like the cave leading to the vault door collapsing, entire vaults being caved in, etc.Nickolai77 said:The reason why so many of the vaults failed was because their purpose was experimentation. For instance, Vault 27 was deliberately over crowded, 34 over-stocked with weapons and the inhabitants of vault 106 were subject to Psychoactive drugs. Other vaults such as vault 76 and vault 8 were control vaults, designed to open after 20 years and were successful. Because the controls vaults were only meant to be inhabited for a short space of time and didn't have the additional costs of experimentation, they would have been more affordable.Ultratwinkie said:You do realize that they spent that money on a product that mostly failed right? Most vaults that actually survived were on the west coast with the second version of the vault door (fallout 3 and New Vegas had the old version which failed much more frequently). This is the chief reason that the west coast is so advanced compared to the east. The west coast had the newer and more recent vault versions. Considering this, it would be impossible to have vaults (that were effective) anywhere else as they only popped up in California (the only ones we know with the seal-n-safe door).
Theoretically, China or Europe could have constructed vaults designed to protect maybe less than a hundred inhabitants for a space of about six months- these vaults would have come at a fraction of the cost of the Vaultec Vaults.
The Fallout bible has gone through nine, perhaps 10 volumes, and isn't to be considered gospel. As Avellone writes in Fallout Bible 0: Ideally, the information contained in these updates will be revised in the future based on your comments and possible evidence gathered from within the game. So, this does leave room for alternations to allow for human survivors outside of America if the Fallout fan's want it to be.The fallout bible may be a developer commentary, but it contained a lot of the lore that we wouldn't have known otherwise. Avellone may have made mistakes here and there (it was corrected later) but overall it was answered by the entire team, only written by Chris Avellone. Latin America is possible, yet according to the lore most of the mutations were done by FEV. A chemical only America had.
If America's vaults were so faulty in its regular design, what makes you so sure the Europeans would have gotten it for cheaper? Hell the enclave alone would have made sure no other vaults would have been constructed. In Europe, after the mini great war, people would have left Europe to join America, China, etc leaving Europe to be picked over by scavengers long before the great war destroyed Europe and the rest of the world.
No one had the resources or materials to make vaults but America. Hell America was the most advanced nation on earth which left other nations in the dust with vaults, power armor, FEV, etc. As i said, if China can't build vaults, no one can. Fallout shelters (the kind you describe with 6 month rations) fail 100% of the time (look at all the non vault shelters in DC which all failed), but vaults have an actual chance.
Europe is populated, but barely. Trying to copy paste American lore all over the world is just bad writing.
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