Next-Gen CPUs Will Likely Require Windows 10
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I suggest you read your citation as it clearly states how Wifi Sense is an optional feature and that the user has the control, heck in point 3 of "How can I share my network with my contacts?" it says:Alleged_Alec said:
"Select one or more of these check boxes?Outlook.com contacts, Skype contacts, or Facebook friends?depending on which groups of contacts you want to share networks with."
It also tells you how to set your network so that it cannot be shared by someone already authorised on the network:
"If you don't want Wi‑Fi Sense to connect people to your open Wi‑Fi network or allow people to share access to your password-protected network, you can opt your network out of it by including _optout somewhere in the Wi‑Fi network name (also called the SSID)."
I've been using Windows 10 since the insider program started, do I think Windows 10 is perfect? No, no nothing is, but it's not the "throw all security out the window and let everyone see your files and join your network at will with no control over it while Microsoft digs through your files trying to find incriminating evidence" that some people make it out to be. If you have people joining your network without permission or your sharing data with Microsoft that you don't want to share, then it's your own fault for not reading the information that Microsoft clearly gives you during Windows 10 setup.
I thought the Itanic already set sail once before. Lets see if this ship sales again. No one liked Itanium when it cut out support for all the old, and required all the new. That 64 bit ship sank, and left Carly and HP without a life preserver. AMD became king for a time in Server world because of this. If AMD doesn't decide to cut off its nose to spite its face as well then maybe it'll be King one more time.
With the exception of telemetry data that doesn't even contain personally identifiable information, all the data collection features of Windows 10 can easily be turned off. They even have a well-identified "Privacy" section under Settings to do just that. On top of that, programs that rely on data collection (e.g. Cortana) are (from what I remember from setup) entirely opt-in with a clear warning of what you're getting into. Beyond that, features like One Drive can only collect data if you use them, and even at that, Microsoft has made it clear that they aren't opening your files to steal your data. You just simply can't have features like cloud storage, online search, and email without sending some data (either yourself or indirectly) to the company providing the service.Smilomaniac said:
In short, the scare around data collection on Windows 10 is a complete boogeyman. Microsoft doesn't care about your data beyond they're ability to provide certain services to you, and those services are clearly marked and either completely opt-in or easy to opt-out of.
First towards your previous arguments:MysticSlayer said:
It doesn't matter what you can opt-in or opt-out of. These features are there and the trust is gone. Since the whole PRISM scandal, I don't believe a single word they say about secure privacy. There is no way that this trust will return.
Now to the quote:
After all these backdoor-scandals and spy scandals, how can you believe MS is acting in such a good faith? Even if they wanted to?
Thats when devices using the Skylark SOCs hit the shelves.Something Amyss said:
You have to rewrite the the hardware allocation layer to get the SOC version running on windows and that costs money. Microsoft are not going walk away from supporting the biggest chip manufacture in the world especially when the most common application for the new SOC chips are going to be laptops. So fundamentally Microsoft dont have choice but to rewrite Win10 so that the SOC chips works. What they are not going to do is spend millions of dollars on rewriting an older OS, especially when they gave 10s of millions of free upgrades.gxs said:
Metalrocks said:
They will when the next hardware cycle comes around and they find they can't buy non SOC laptops without paying for gaming laptops.
So the actual title here is "Microsoft is cutting support for all but Win 10", which really is not surprising since they are doing this in all fronts since their existences. The only real news here is they have the balls to come out and scare people into buying their next product... quite the move.
CPU power hasn't been a limiting factor for games for quite some time now. Gamers will be perfectly happy with i7 chips, thank you very much, Microsoft, or even AMD if it comes to that.
"Hey, I'm Intel, I'm a pc hardware company, I sell hardware".
"Hi Intel, I'm your consumer, I buy your hardware. <a href=https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0>Look at the OS market share distribution for what we are using".
"Wow consumer, a lot of you sure are using Win7 (over 55%) and heck, there are more people using XP (11%) than using Win8 (10.3%). Win10 (9.96%) is still in 4th place. Guess that means I'm going to make sure I cater to you."
"Great Intel, that means most of us will continue giving you our business. Cheers"
Look, Microsoft can say a lot of things, but hardware manufactures aren't going to release a new chip that is only compatible with less than 10% of machines out there. In fact, there is almost no reason to prevent any OS from being compatible with it. They are in the business of selling chips. I think Win10 will do far better than win8 but we won't be looking at a majority in market share for several years if ever. To be entirely honest, Microsoft knocked it out of the park with Win7. If Win11 were basically Win7 but with all the actual updates under the hood then that would be the next majority. This is different from WinXP which was a great OS but clearly inferior to Win7. Win10 has clear disadvantages along with its advantages and that's a problem. They primarily need to give control back to the user. Allowing for skins again would be nice too. It's cute of them to want to force the metro style every chance they get but it is tedious and the forcing of it is what is pissing people off. All the way up to Win7 you could even have a '95 skin of all things. No reason why they'd take that ability away too.
If Microsoft wants to be compelling, they need to appeal to the consumer, not try to force what they think we want on us. They're so close and took so many good steps with Win10. But then they took other steps back.
Lastly, CPUs aren't really that important anymore. They are now the glorified switchboard operator and not the processing powerhouse anymore. That role goes to RAM and the Video Card now. If you keep updating to the newest CPU then you're likely wasting $100-$200 that you should otherwise be spending on a better card or a second card to crossbridge for far better results.
"Hi Intel, I'm your consumer, I buy your hardware. <a href=https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0>Look at the OS market share distribution for what we are using".
"Wow consumer, a lot of you sure are using Win7 (over 55%) and heck, there are more people using XP (11%) than using Win8 (10.3%). Win10 (9.96%) is still in 4th place. Guess that means I'm going to make sure I cater to you."
"Great Intel, that means most of us will continue giving you our business. Cheers"
Look, Microsoft can say a lot of things, but hardware manufactures aren't going to release a new chip that is only compatible with less than 10% of machines out there. In fact, there is almost no reason to prevent any OS from being compatible with it. They are in the business of selling chips. I think Win10 will do far better than win8 but we won't be looking at a majority in market share for several years if ever. To be entirely honest, Microsoft knocked it out of the park with Win7. If Win11 were basically Win7 but with all the actual updates under the hood then that would be the next majority. This is different from WinXP which was a great OS but clearly inferior to Win7. Win10 has clear disadvantages along with its advantages and that's a problem. They primarily need to give control back to the user. Allowing for skins again would be nice too. It's cute of them to want to force the metro style every chance they get but it is tedious and the forcing of it is what is pissing people off. All the way up to Win7 you could even have a '95 skin of all things. No reason why they'd take that ability away too.
If Microsoft wants to be compelling, they need to appeal to the consumer, not try to force what they think we want on us. They're so close and took so many good steps with Win10. But then they took other steps back.
Lastly, CPUs aren't really that important anymore. They are now the glorified switchboard operator and not the processing powerhouse anymore. That role goes to RAM and the Video Card now. If you keep updating to the newest CPU then you're likely wasting $100-$200 that you should otherwise be spending on a better card or a second card to crossbridge for far better results.
And this information only surfaces now?
Modern CPU's, the most important part of a computer, will cease to be supported, "Just thought you should know also buy Windows 10 so you can buy CPU's so we can monitor you and give you adverts, and not support old games and lock new games behind exclusivity".
Really going out of their way to put a smile on my face.
Modern CPU's, the most important part of a computer, will cease to be supported, "Just thought you should know also buy Windows 10 so you can buy CPU's so we can monitor you and give you adverts, and not support old games and lock new games behind exclusivity".
Really going out of their way to put a smile on my face.
Except those features that are causing privacy concerns include, among other things:Naldan said:
-One Drive: Which literally can't exist if you aren't sending Microsoft data. That sending of data is entirely on you.
-Bing: A search engine, which again can't exist if it isn't at least collecting your search query.
-Cortana: Which is turned off completely by default and you can't turn it on until you agree to Microsoft's privacy policy.
-Outlook: Which again can't exist if Microsoft can't have any email data to store on the computer you need it to be stored on.
-Edge: Which needs you to input data so that it can send it wherever you specify.
-Office 365: Which needs you to provide that data to Microsoft so that they can make it available to everyone else. Otherwise, you're left with email, which I've already mentioned.
-Skype: Which needs to at least send audio and text data to facilitate communication.
And on and on. Bottom line: A lot of stuff simply can't exist without some form of data transfer. Microsoft at least maintains honesty by letting you know that such data transfers are occurring. Sure, there are ways to increase security in some of these areas, but that also has to be weighed against losing convenience. For instance, many email providers that attempt to increase encryption security lose features like IMAP and, as a result, compatibility with MUAs (e.g. Thunderbird) or other email providers (at least not without some serious hassle).
Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not you want the convenience or...peace of mind?...And as far as Windows 10 is concerned, Microsoft gives you that option and also makes you aware of what your options are. If you're that paranoid, you don't have to give them anything.
Prior to the Snowden leak, there was little incentive to challenge the government. In fact, there was every incentive to go along, since challenging the government would incur heavy costs. After the Snowden leaks, many companies began to see that people didn't like the prospect of government spying, and companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google have taken steps to protect users' information against such spying if for no other reason than PR. Microsoft in particular has threatened to sue the government, threatened to violate laws that said they couldn't remain transparent with their consumers, have discussed moving their servers to countries with better privacy than the U.S., among other things.
In short, pre-Snowden didn't offer an incentive. Post-Snowden does, and Microsoft seems to be among the companies trying to maintain user privacy (as best as can be done with the technology everyone wants) in a post-Snowden era.
I couldn't agree more!Lightknight said:
I still have the theme file I started using on Win 95 through 98, 2K, ME and XP.
Custom sounds, cursors, backgrounds, and all the different windows border color, width, active color, dormant color, font size, color, etc...
Sooo much too configure your way.
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I used Win XP up until my last computer went bust last year (or was it the year before that?) and my new one came with Win 8 pre-installed.
I would still preferably be using Win XP if it was 64-bit.
Microsoft seems more and more arrogant about forcing you to accept IT'S way and way too greedy about your data since Vista.
The most depressing part is that Microsoft does quality work. Their OSs have been the gold standard of user friendliness and customizability for so long.Vendor-Lazarus said:
They completely have the means to produce what most consumers won't but aren't willing to do so on the bet that we'll want it if they just force it hard enough.
Have you seen the new search bar they pigeon holed into the Win10 start button? Ugh. It connects to the internet instead of just your machine. Because God knows if I want to get to the internet to search for something I'm not going to pull up a browser to do so and if I want to find an application on the machine I sure don't want to be able to do it from the pc's start menu [/sarcasm]
I could also monitor my internet traffic with third-party peripherals. The advantage of a relatively slow internet connection is that it is easier to monitor for someone who doesn't do it 24/7.MysticSlayer said:
But the last time Microsoft pulled something like that was with the Kinect 2.0, which was released after the Snowden leaks.
Please believe me, I'm not that paranoid, but after so much of this stuff, the possibilities alone built-in into the OS from the get-go makes it suspicious. That also was my point: I know you can opt-out (which wasn't possible some time ago, possibly during the open beta iirc) of these programs, but the capabilities simply make it suspicious.
And on top of that comes the whole scandal.
I don't care if somebody watches porn simultaneous with me. The reasons and intentions behind this though is what really pisses me off. Of course, if there are any.
At least we here in Germany talked about this for at least a whole year, especially about the sovereignty of our country (which is too populistic for me, but it was a topic still) and this makes you sensitive.
Now one could argue that this already is in Windows 7 and even earlier, but this time, as you said, it's post Snowden. And now comes a marketing guy telling me fear-mongering stuff that the next-gen processors won't run at all under Windows pre-10, + DirectX 12. And it's starting to really aggravating, since there is no alternative for 'serious gamers'. I think Microsoft does too little. And as crazy as it sounds: making your OS free for a year (even if it's excused/justified with marketing strategies) doesn't make it that better.
If there were a non-US alternative that really supports all the hardware and were equally as big in gaming as Windows, I'd take that until, maybe, MS convinces me otherwise. At this point, MS has come to me. And after all this, yes, I feel entitled to their promise for privacy. Stuff like this doesn't make it better.
Oh shit! My Wi-Fi is exposed!Alleged_Alec said:
Wait...
See! A fix!
Well, this suggests that user action is required to enable it.
So, this means that if I don't have any "contacts" within the OS, then this function isn't possible. Skype/Messenger doesn't seem to generate any contacts, as I've got plenty of "contacts" who are on those, and use that program(As messenger is dead.), yet my wireless password is still required to connect to my network.
Unless otherwise confirmed, it also seems that...
A. This information is not given to anyone who you likely wouldn't trust. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have my neighbor as a "contact."
B. The password is simply not shown, the credentials are simply given to the OS, and the user does not see it.
Furthermore, it looks like someone who's using a computer properly, (as in, not just going "zomg next next done.") will not have this issue.
Soooo... Uhhhh, anything else?
Holy shit.MysticSlayer said:
I'm not the only one with a fucking brain around here.
High-five me, Slayer!
Slightly off-topic:
Reading this makes me realise how I must sound to people when I talk 'shop'. I have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever and so this whole paragraph is hilarious to me!
On topic, however...I can only agree with what everyone has said already. Microsoft have been pulling this same tactic for years. They're not going to risk pissing off millions of customers by obsoleting their software and leaving them with the question: "Why bother with Windows...?"
Reading this makes me realise how I must sound to people when I talk 'shop'. I have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever and so this whole paragraph is hilarious to me!
Not meant to be an insult, by the way - just an observation of how you are clearly extremely knowledgeable in the subject matter and I am an ape banging two rocks together...Saulkar said:
On topic, however...I can only agree with what everyone has said already. Microsoft have been pulling this same tactic for years. They're not going to risk pissing off millions of customers by obsoleting their software and leaving them with the question: "Why bother with Windows...?"
Thing is, the enthusiast market is not a significant one for Microsoft. Most of their revenue comes from the corporate market. Now corporate IT doesn't change their OS so easily. They also have contracts stating that both Windows 7 and 8 will be supported for 10 years after release. If Microsoft don't change their tune, the lawsuits that will follow may bankrupt them.