Sounds more like hedonism, not like there's anything inherently wrong with that or anything. Nothing is either truly good or bad; thinking makes it so.chrisdibs said:
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in my mind, if nothing matters (nihilism), that leads directly to the idea that having fun is the best thing to do and is the only thing worth doing. no matter what that is, if it's doing accounting then so be it, or even something like stamp collectingThe_Oracle said:
While I agree with you that Darth Nihilus is irrefutably awesome.smokeybearsb said:
And while I agree that societies morals are directly made by man, I do believe all or even most are preset.
Societies, no matter how far apart, always have concepts that are similar. These persistent concepts are not exclusive, but are instead all inclusive. This meaning that a society may have a basic concept, but have multiple avenues to fulfill that satiation desire or feeling.
This is based in the grounds that humans, as a whole, are subject to a loose set of guidelines, predetermined as we are born.
All humans have innate desires, desires that can be defied by a set morals, but are more often the source.
Morals, as defined, are comprised of the recognition and acceptance of a form of obligations; that is, the sense of oughtness or deontic. Studies of the "recognition" functions (processing information) may fall within the scope of the kinds of "scientific" enquiries that are often refered to as poof of predetermination. Though, examination of the acceptance functions probably does not apply directly to metaphysics. Instead morality could be identified as the performance or meeting of those obligations. In the aspect of society, such obligations would manifest themselves as morals or laws. Items that would govern a society, and because of origin, would not be determined by man, but by that of humanity as a whole.
Granted these "manifestations" rarely take on the exact same form, largely because society itself, is not subjected to one form of regulation.
Hedonism might be a better word for that, look it up. (EDIT: Ninja'd)chrisdibs said:
On topic, I am Christian, and though I may not have read the whole Bible yet, I have learned a few things from church (this is not preaching, this is for your information):
- My church actually took a day and taught the basics of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam. So contrary to popular belief, not all churches thrive on the members' ignorance of other choices.
- God doesn't require that you go to church. All He wants is to be part of your life in a meaningful way. That just means that you pray, and try to live your life as the Bible teaches.
- You are not perfect. God doesn't expect you to be. And it doesn't mean that you are going to hell for it automatically.
I personally, respect other peoples' beliefs. I'm not going to try and push my beliefs on someone else, too much evil has been done throughout history with God as the justification, and I don't want any part of it. Nihilism is fine with me, and as far as I am concerned, human nature is the basis of moral "right and wrong". In the most basic sense: You hit me, I hit you back; because you were wrong to do it in the first place (not because God or the law said so). You hit me again, I'll get a couple friends and teach you not to do it anymore. Simple justice, it may not always work but it is a good start.
That would be fun to live life like that. Haha at first I didn't remember what pastafarianism was until I saw WWTFSMD. "What does that mean? What would the...ohhhhhhh hahaha"Glerken said:
That's true and I congratulate you, it's just hedonism might tie in to what you mean as well. Linky here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonism]chrisdibs said:
Your church is frakkin' awesome.Sporky111 said:
Oh, believe me.smokeybearsb said:
It's a very fun life.
I'm currently trying to get a mob together to go demand that Tom insert a pirate smiley.
This discrimination has gone on to long. We Pastafarians need a way to represent ourselves.
And once we get that. We make Tom add Pastafarianism in the Religion section as a choice. Otherwise it's just Christian-Other. I am not a Christian, I'm a Pastafarian!
Kreia, Darth Nihilus, and I would like to have a word with you. And by 'have a word with you', I mean kick the crap out of you assisted by ominous euphemisms.ianthecool said:
Personnally I consider myself somewhat of a mix between a Nihilist, Hedonist and an Athiest. I believe I can dictate how I should live my life, that pleasure is of the utmost importance and that there is no God.
But other than that I am a Pastafarian at heart, nothing can change that. Noodly.
Ill give a nod to Odin aswell, makes as much sense as anything else, so why not.
Oh and can we stop with the religious threads. Every day, sheesh.
But other than that I am a Pastafarian at heart, nothing can change that. Noodly.
Ill give a nod to Odin aswell, makes as much sense as anything else, so why not.
Oh and can we stop with the religious threads. Every day, sheesh.
Actually, humans aren't quite as simple as just "Other people told us to feel this way so we do." Even society at large didn't spring up with no provocation. Society did not come to existence out of nothingness simply to tell people how to act. Just as people like you are tired of religious dogmatic hypocrisy, other people are tired of their own social surroundings and come to conclusions counter to them.smokeybearsb said:
But society is not artificial. Society is created by people, whose sense of morality and ethics had to come from somewhere. Religion likes to think it comes from a higher power, but before there even was the concept of religion there was a concept of "good thing" and "bad thing." Usually gut emotional. One could call it instinctual even. "Family hurt = bad. Spear stolen = bad. Me want hurt bad person. So do they. We go hunting for bad person now."
Sympathy, ambivalence, vengeance, anger, sadness, happiness. These are some of the root human emotions that we've extrapolated into the forms of social standards we call "right and wrong." And it's natural to see how they came about.
You take a solely high-end view of morality. Morality as justified by a universe. This is a view that betrays your Christian upbringing--oft times, Christians feel the need to justify morality with a higher power or a benevolent universe. Others just follow the rules of their religion simply to secure a place for themselves in a hypothetical afterlife, but that's something else entirely.
Morals, as they exist in human history--and before recorded history--have always been something deeper than that. More instinctual. More human. Humans are social animals. We create societies, not the other way around. Morality exists, if not in a universal sense, then in a personal and social sense. And refusing the existence of morality just because it doesn't live up to one's preconceived notions of a cosmic natural force is a really dick move. And you're telling us you're going to stop believing in right and wrong simply because you're starting to doubt the existence of a giant magical old man telling you what's the best way to get into his Happy Place Afterlife? Really?
The only people who honestly, truly believe in nihilism are either sociopaths or self-absorbed wankers not quite dumb enough to choose solipsism but not smart enough to accept morality as it is.
Just man up, become an atheist or agnostic, and be cool to other people. You honestly don't want them to stop being cool to you. Trust me.
"Be excellent to each other. And party on, dude."
I agree with this. While I wouldn't mug and old lady or kill small child, I don't believe that it is either good or bad, society made it this way. This is possibly because I haven't experienced it. I'm not going to do it though.Gormourn said:
"I blame you society! Smells Like Teen Spirit! Bagghhhh!"
No.
I'm not that big of a rebellious teen, I have just lost a bit of faith in humanity.
Artificial means man-made, can you elaborate, please? I assume you mean morals are not artificial, which I believe only partially. As I do not know for sure, and I haven't heard anything that makes sense, I'm not going to make any far-fetched assumptions.Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
You touched on some good points, believing in the old man that gives me eternal life in a happy place sounds fun, but not plausible.
Then become a cynic like the rest of us. You don't need to cite some sort of wonky belief just because you've become a good and proper misanthrope. Kudos for misanthropy.smokeybearsb said:
Alright, let me rephrase. Society is not completely arbitrary and did not come into existence out of random and uncontrollable factors. That's what I meant by "artificial."smokeybearsb said:
Okay, I went to a catholic high school. I just will say, Catholicism was shoved forcefully down each of our throats. I left the religion after that. I am more of a agnostic/pantheist. Its more or less saying, there is a god, but, no way in hell are we supposed to understand, nor will I fear him. Fear is used in all religions, or in most at least. You will burn in hell if you dont worship god/jesus. I hated my old priest.
Oh my. Seems I've left that out of the OP. Meant to put that in from the beginning. I'm a HUGE cynic; I find it hard to believe that corporations that produce pills don't just make you sick on purpose just to make money.Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
I might be paranoid, but every time I take a pill or something similar (especially when the symptoms aren't severe), I experience more harsh symptoms than before I had taken the medicine.