Nine Inch Nails Discussion

[ultimateownage]

Nine Inch Nails are fucking awesome. Though their albums cost way too much. I mean really, £10 for Broken? It only has 6 tracks!

Spoiler: Some of my favourite NIN songs that haven't been mentioned a million times yet.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

Never been a huge fan.

I've noticed that lots of people like to jerk-off Johnny Cash when it comes to his sub par cover of "Hurt". For the record, let me say that the original is and always will be better than the cover, even if Johnny Cash is the one covering it.

Yeah me, my friends and even my science teacher agree that the original is better.
If you're a cash fan then by all means enjoy the cover, but it's stupid that a hell of a lot of people think that cash WROTE the darn song. Just look up the YouTube comments, it's stupid.

 

[Dfskelleton]

I quite like the fragile, but other than that I haven't heard much of their stuff. Shame I haven't because I liked the Fragile a lot.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Never been a huge fan.

I've noticed that lots of people like to jerk-off Johnny Cash when it comes to his sub par cover of "Hurt". For the record, let me say that the original is and always will be better than the cover, even if Johnny Cash is the one covering it.

Yeah me, my friends and even my science teacher agree that the original is better.
If you're a cash fan then by all means enjoy the cover, but it's stupid that a hell of a lot of people think that cash WROTE the darn song. Just look up the YouTube comments, it's stupid.

I've seen them all, and those people are morons. Perhaps their just ignorant to the fact.

But I am a Johnny Cash fan and grew up listening to lots of alt.country stuff. I think NIN are boring and pretentious. And I STILL LIKE THE ORIGINAL MORE.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

I hated them when I was a kid but they have grown on me recently. I prefer other industrial bands like Machine Head and Rammstein but I've been meaning to give NIN a closer listen, thanks for reminding me!

I cannot think of a single song by Machine Head that I would label "industrial". Maybe we're thinking of two different bands? Albums like "The Blackening", "Through the Ashes of Empire", etc?

Sigh, I hate myself. I was thinking of Fear Factory but, for some reason, put Machine Head. I don't even really like Machine Head
So yeah, edit: Fear Factory

I like both bands, but Fear Factory hold a special place in my heart for being one of my earliest metal bands. I got "Obsolete" and "Demanufacture" through some mail order catalog without having heard the band. Turned out to be totally worth it.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

Never been a huge fan.

I've noticed that lots of people like to jerk-off Johnny Cash when it comes to his sub par cover of "Hurt". For the record, let me say that the original is and always will be better than the cover, even if Johnny Cash is the one covering it.

Yeah me, my friends and even my science teacher agree that the original is better.
If you're a cash fan then by all means enjoy the cover, but it's stupid that a hell of a lot of people think that cash WROTE the darn song. Just look up the YouTube comments, it's stupid.

I've seen them all, and those people are morons. Perhaps their just ignorant to the fact.

But I am a Johnny Cash fan and grew up listening to lots of alt.country stuff. I think NIN are boring and pretentious. And I STILL LIKE THE ORIGINAL MORE.

I find that quite interesting, that a nin fan that doesn't listen to Johnny cash and a Johnny cash fan who dislikes nin come to the same conclusion, most country fans I'm guessing would be saying how cash turned an average song into a masterpiece.
I think it's because when Johnny Cash sang it, the end of every line ended on the same note. Go on, listen to it. EVERY SINGLE LINE he does the same note at the end, whereas Trent Reznor mixes it up a bit and keeps it fresh throughout the song.

 

[Ithera]

Not a big fan of Mr Reznor, I'd rather post a few choice words from his old pal Mr Nivek Ohgr.

 

[funguy2121]

NIN are pretty mainstream... they are like pop-industrial. They're good, but not the best. I think his new HOW TO DESTROY ANGELS project is better.

Hurt, Only, March of the pigs are nice. I think photek did a remix which is better tho.
If you like industrial, you ought to try skinny puppy and oHgr - they are better IMO.

Wow, another person who listens to, and appreciates oHgr... now if you want to find a band that not many people know of and like, but should, then oHgr is your band.

Listen to this individual, OP. Marry them if you can!
An oHgr fan is a very hard thing to find XD You seen REPO! ?
(Funny Captcha: Junior takest)

Calling NIN pop-industrial is just like calling Rancid pop-punk or claiming that Bad Brains and the Dead Kennedys weren't really punk because they had original sounds and merged punk with other styles.

I've enjoyed Foetus, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, KMFDM, Ministry, Sister Machine Gun, Coil and the like but the one thread that combines just about all of them is that it's very random, simplistic and lacking in production values. That's pretty par for the course for industrial music and I do appreciate a lack of polish (which is one reason I prefer Sublime's first studio album to their eponymous one). But there is absolutely nothing "pop" about NIN. Please, tell me exactly what part of "Heresy" or "Gave Up" belong in a playlist between Wacka Flacka Flame and that new "Friday Friday" song, or between Nickleback and the All-American Rejects?

Pop industrial would be more like Stabbing Westward or Gravity Kills or Linkin Park, bands who seem to think that adding screaming and faux-metal riffs to supersimple post-techno bleeps and bloops results in industrial music.

Also, I checked out How To Destroy Angels. Pretty cool stuff, but isn't it more trip-hop? Reminds me more of Portishead than NIN.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

Not a big fan of Mr Reznor, I'd rather post a few choice words from his old pal Mr Nivek Ohgr.

Hmmpfh.

You can't really go around insulting a massive band like NIN unless you can make good music. Nuff said.

 

[DVS Storm]

I'm a NIN fan. "Wish", "The Perfect Drug", "The Hand That Feeds" and "Head Like a Hole" are my favorites atm. I also love The Social Network's soundtrack and it was really awesome when he won an Oscar. Also the fact that Trent has worked with David Bowie(who is one of my favorite artists btw)is really cool. I suggest listening to "I'm Afraid of Americans" by David Bowie and NIN if you haven't heard it.

 

[funguy2121]

Can anybody tell me, is marilyn Manson in any way like nin? I know Trent and Manson used to be friends and stuff but music wise I don't know.

The short answer is...sorta.

They were friends, and they fell out while they were both indulging in quite a bit of drugs (find interviews of Reznor during the mid-late 90's for amusement). They've made up a couple of times and I don't know if they still associate, but they haven't done anything musical together in a while. Reznor produced some of Manson's earlier work.

If (early) NIN is a whole bunch of hate and self-loathing, then most of Manson's stuff gives me the impression that he just wants to show off how fucked up he can be. Other than "Disposable Teens" I don't remember Manson ever writing a song that was truly about something. 'God is in the TV' is a trite cliche he trotted out over and over in his song on The Matrix Soundtrack. Still, every once in a while he comes out with a song that just jams. There's a burner of a track on Smells Like Children (Youtube is failing me at the moment) that starts with a small child saying something about "Motherfuckers with guitar metal" that absolutely rocks.

 

[funguy2121]

THX 1138, is that that movie by.... Who was it by again? George Lucas? Yeah that was quite artistic of him. And one of his songs has a sound clip of porn but I can't remember which one. In the fragile one of his songs ends with a short clip of kiss or something too.

It was Lucas, yes. One of his better films, in my opinion and very artistic indeed :3

Oh and the song with the sounds of a woman having an orgasm is on Big Man With a Gun. Just put with a shiteload of distortion. Wouldn't have even guessed that's what it was when I first heard it

STARFUCKERS, INC. ends with a sample of Gene Simmons screaming something live. Something to the effect of "Wwwweeeeeree Kissssss GooooodNNNNighttttt!"

 

[YawningAngel]

<=Fanboy

I'm about the only person I've ever found who likes Pretty Hate Machine, and I also like the later stuff. Cuts out a bit in the middle for me.

 

[brodie21]

i really dont like nine inch nails. every time i hear it on the radio i change the channel

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

Can anybody tell me, is marilyn Manson in any way like nin? I know Trent and Manson used to be friends and stuff but music wise I don't know.

The short answer is...sorta.

They were friends, and they fell out while they were both indulging in quite a bit of drugs (find interviews of Reznor during the mid-late 90's for amusement). They've made up a couple of times and I don't know if they still associate, but they haven't done anything musical together in a while. Reznor produced some of Manson's earlier work.

If (early) NIN is a whole bunch of hate and self-loathing, then most of Manson's stuff gives me the impression that he just wants to show off how fucked up he can be. Other than "Disposable Teens" I don't remember Manson ever writing a song that was truly about something. 'God is in the TV' is a trite cliche he trotted out over and over in his song on The Matrix Soundtrack. Still, every once in a while he comes out with a song that just jams. There's a burner of a track on Smells Like Children (Youtube is failing me at the moment) that starts with a small child saying something about "Motherfuckers with guitar metal" that absolutely rocks.

Yeah they're not talking, haven't since they performed together in 2000. I think it was because Reznor disaproved of Manson going back on drugs or something.

I'll check out those songs, are they all just screaming bullshit though? Don't get me wrong, I love a good shouting if it's accompanied by good music (think mr self destruct, heresy) but if it's not good then no thank you.

 

[darkman80723]

I love Nails man, have listened to him since I was five. Fave album is Year Zero, song is Mr.Selfdestruct, and lyric is "God is dead, and no one cares, if there is a hell I'll see you there!"

 

[funguy2121]

Calling NIN pop-industrial is just like calling Rancid pop-punk or claiming that Bad Brains and the Dead Kennedys weren't really punk because they had original sounds and merged punk with other styles.

I've enjoyed Foetus, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, KMFDM, Ministry, Sister Machine Gun, Coil and the like but the one thread that combines just about all of them is that it's very random, simplistic and lacking in production values. That's pretty par for the course for industrial music and I do appreciate a lack of polish (which is one reason I prefer Sublime's first studio album to their eponymous one). But there is absolutely nothing "pop" about NIN. Please, tell me exactly what part of "Heresy" or "Gave Up" belong in a playlist between Wacka Flacka Flame and that new "Friday Friday" song, or between Nickleback and the All-American Rejects?

Pop industrial would be more like Stabbing Westward or Gravity Kills or Linkin Park, bands who seem to think that adding screaming and faux-metal riffs to supersimple post-techno bleeps and bloops results in industrial music.

Also, I checked out How To Destroy Angels. Pretty cool stuff, but isn't it more trip-hop? Reminds me more of Portishead than NIN.

I don't get the 'pop' = 'all that is bad in the world' thing.
Cardigans, Suede, Space, Velocity Girl, The Beatles... pop music CAN be good.
And NIN is Industrial with gentle piano bits and soft vocals... surely it's not TOO unreasonable to consider them hallmarks of the pop genre?
That said, genre's are adjectives, not nouns, so it's perfectly fine for us to describe Reznor's stuff differently to each other.
I'm shocked that you don't admire the production in newer SP. How about oHgr? It's less gothic, more produced. Have you ever encountered Angelspit? Watching the blipverts of how they actually make their hyper-produced sound is mind-blowing sometimes.
I really do think 'simplistic' should not be applied to a lot of what you listed, though...

Hey, I listen to Mike Doughty and (can't believe I'm admitting it) Erasure. I don't think pop = everything bad in the world. But the 4 "bands" I mentioned are objectively awful. Pop- as a prefix usually means "watered down for mass consumption." For the guy who began an album with a sample from a little-known sci-fi flick about despotic oppression, included a song about killing oneself, and who used to put up films of war atrocities as a backdrop to his concerts, I wouldn't consider NIN mainstream, nor would I consider quiet moments or piano usage pop hallmarks. Check out Mars Volta - very far removed from pop. That band is absolutely despised because their music is so involved and experimental.

I agree with what you said, everyone has a different vocabulary and a different set of ears.

SP? Who is that?

I listened to some oHgr on youtube and enjoyed what I heard except - and this is my most common complaint about industrial music - I didn't really enjoy the vocals. A lot of times, even if the singer is good, his voice is SO filtered throughout the whole song that it just sounds weird. I've never heard of Angelspit or a blipvert but I'm always curious to see how artificial sounds are engineered. Why don't you send me a link?

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

I love Nails man, have listened to him since I was five. Fave album is Year Zero, song is Mr.Selfdestruct, and lyric is "God is dead, and no one cares, if there is a hell I'll see you there!"

Best lyrics ever! My friend and I sing that all the time.

He sewed his eyes shut, because he is afraid to see
he tries to tell me what to put inside of me
he got the answers to ease my curiosity
he dreamed a god up and called it Christianity
GOD IS DEAD...!
awesome

 

[funguy2121]

Can anybody tell me, is marilyn Manson in any way like nin? I know Trent and Manson used to be friends and stuff but music wise I don't know.

The short answer is...sorta.

They were friends, and they fell out while they were both indulging in quite a bit of drugs (find interviews of Reznor during the mid-late 90's for amusement). They've made up a couple of times and I don't know if they still associate, but they haven't done anything musical together in a while. Reznor produced some of Manson's earlier work.

If (early) NIN is a whole bunch of hate and self-loathing, then most of Manson's stuff gives me the impression that he just wants to show off how fucked up he can be. Other than "Disposable Teens" I don't remember Manson ever writing a song that was truly about something. 'God is in the TV' is a trite cliche he trotted out over and over in his song on The Matrix Soundtrack. Still, every once in a while he comes out with a song that just jams. There's a burner of a track on Smells Like Children (Youtube is failing me at the moment) that starts with a small child saying something about "Motherfuckers with guitar metal" that absolutely rocks.

Yeah they're not talking, haven't since they performed together in 2000. I think it was because Reznor disaproved of Manson going back on drugs or something.

I'll check out those songs, are they all just screaming bullshit though? Don't get me wrong, I love a good shouting if it's accompanied by good music (think mr self destruct, heresy) but if it's not good then no thank you.

Now that I have a couple of dialogues going I'm afraid I'm hogging "the floor."

I'm really not the one to ask since I haven't done my homework (I'm more of a passing fan), but I've heard much of Mechanical Animals and it's bold and brilliant. It's the most dynamic stuff I've heard out of him overall.

It's not just screaming, in fact it's ironic you should ask that because I usually only like MM when it's a loud, fast burner. I haven't ever enjoyed the slower songs where he gets all melodic with his voice because, well, have you heard him sing? But muthafuckah can scream.

I also enjoyed the song he did for The Matrix Reloaded.

 

[Arehexes]

I'm not a "fan" like I know all about him (I don't even know most about my favorite band L'arc~en~Ciel), but I do really enjoy Nine Inch Nails music.