Nintendo 3DS Already Outdated?

[RUINER ACTUAL]

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Now, I know the N3DS isn't out yet, but I think this little piece of hardware is jumping the gun and leaving Nintendo behind. At least for you fine folks in Japan (mofos getting the cool stuff first). Assuming you are a minimalist, and you only need or want to carry one device, I think this is it. Sure it won't have all the N64 games that will sell the N3DS, but it has Android and Android has Angry Birds, along with the ability to replace anything that has a battery and fits in your pocket.

 

[Terminate421]

Its a hand held gaming device, not a super computer from space.
I expect it to play Pokemon and Kid Icarus and Star Fox

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

Its a hand held device, not a super computer from space.

You've obviously never used an Android smartphone.

 

[Terminate421]

Its a hand held device, not a super computer from space.

You've obviously never used an Android smartphone.

I editted it.
I wasn't specific enough.
And yes, I've used one. I still do.

 

[Steppin Razor]

It's a phone, not a dedicated gaming device. Angry Birds is fun, but it isn't a full-length game with a good story and the sort of staying power that games like Chrono Trigger, The World Ends With You and Castlevania have. Given time and a decent budget, I have no doubts that some very good games that consist of more than tower defense or "flick stuff around" will be made, but for the moment, my DS and PSP are used far more often for gaming than my iPhone is.

 

[RatRace123]

I don't think it's right to compare a phone to a gaming system.
One is specialized to play games and has games developed for it, one is a phone that can play minigames.

 

[Not G. Ivingname]

Why does everybody think that the 3DS is going to be a failure? Nintendo has 70 games at launch, all made by well known developers and most are from well renowned franchises. The DS sold 150 MILLION units as of now, that is more then the sales of all current gen consoles COMBINED. Nintendo is still the king of the handheld, and cell phones are going to be hardpressed to remove that crown.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

Its a hand held device, not a super computer from space.

You've obviously never used an Android smartphone.

I editted it.
I wasn't specific enough.
And yes, I've used one. I still do.

Ok, I see it now. Well, there are emulators you can get on the Marketplace, then you can just put the ROMs on the phone. There are emulators for the original Gameboy through the Advanced, along with NES, SNES, and PSX. Just get one with a keyboard.

It's a phone, not a dedicated gaming device. Angry Birds is fun, but it isn't a full-length game with a good story and the sort of staying power that games like Chrono Trigger, The World Ends With You and Castlevania have. Given time and a decent budget, I have no doubts that some very good games that consist of more than tower defense or "flick stuff around" will be made, but for the moment, my DS and PSP are used far more often for gaming than my iPhone is.

I think the dedicated portable gaming device is going to fade in the next console generation or so unless they can do more then make things 3D. The games will have to be more then ports from 15 year old consoles. The 3DS and PSP2 will need dedicated original IPs to compete. The games being made for Android and iOS are becoming higher in quality and replayability, even for how simple they are. Plus, I don't think most people want to carry around a phone, iPod, and PSP. And even on top of that, it gets really expensive to have, carry, and maintain those devices.

 

[smearyllama]

Well, the 3DS is scientifically proven to be awesome.

Handheld+ N64 games+ 3D (not on the bandwagon, but 3D is pretty cool)+ a new Resident Evil=
Wintastic

 

[Steppin Razor]

I think the dedicated portable gaming device is going to fade in the next console generation or so unless they can do more then make things 3D. The games will have to be more then ports from 15 year old consoles. The 3DS and PSP2 will need dedicated original IPs to compete. The games being made for Android and iOS are becoming higher in quality and replayability, even for how simple they are. Plus, I don't think most people want to carry around a phone, iPod, and PSP. And even on top of that, it gets really expensive to have, carry, and maintain those devices.

What do you mean the games will have to be "more then ports from 15 year old consoles"? I only mentioned one game that actually was a port, Chrono Trigger, the others were either entirely new, The World Ends With You, or new installments in a series, the 3 Castlevania games. The DS and PSP have plenty of dedicated original IPs on them, but they also have a vast back catalogue of games to draw on as well.

The Android and Apple games are becoming higher in quality and replayability, yes, but that doesn't mean they're becoming better than games on dedicated handhelds. How many people will be playing Angry Birds in 2 years? How many in 5 years? No one will because the games simply don't have that kind of lasting power, and they are still held back by the phones being phones first and minor gaming machines second. Touch screen controls work for some things, but they are woefully inadequate for a large number of games that get made for the DS and PSP.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

I think the dedicated portable gaming device is going to fade in the next console generation or so unless they can do more then make things 3D. The games will have to be more then ports from 15 year old consoles. The 3DS and PSP2 will need dedicated original IPs to compete. The games being made for Android and iOS are becoming higher in quality and replayability, even for how simple they are. Plus, I don't think most people want to carry around a phone, iPod, and PSP. And even on top of that, it gets really expensive to have, carry, and maintain those devices.

What do you mean the games will have to be "more then ports from 15 year old consoles"? I only mentioned one game that actually was a port, Chrono Trigger, the others were either entirely new, The World Ends With You, or new installments in a series, the 3 Castlevania games. The DS and PSP have plenty of dedicated original IPs on them, but they also have a vast back catalogue of games to draw on as well.

The Android and Apple games are becoming higher in quality and replayability, yes, but that doesn't mean they're becoming better than games on dedicated handhelds. How many people will be playing Angry Birds in 2 years? How many in 5 years? No one will because the games simply don't have that kind of lasting power, and they are still held back by the phones being phones first and minor gaming machines second. Touch screen controls work for some things, but they are woefully inadequate for a large number of games that get made for the DS and PSP.

I said that because those are the only games that I have heard of for the 3DS. I haven't heard of people talking about a new IP for the 3DS. Only Zelda is coming out, again, and Mario is coming out, again, again. I guess you could blame a combination of bad marketing by Nintendo, my ignorance towards Nintendo games, and their fans for that one.

You are right. These games don't have the lasting power, yet, but neither did Pong, and look where we are in the console department. The power they are trying to pack into these phones, with 1Ghz processors and soon-to-come dual cores, on top of Androids open-source development policy, gaming is written all over that. As the iOS and Android devices become more popular, widespread, and easier to develop for, and their gaming capabilites, such as improved touch controls improve, where will the line start to blur between JUST a phone/tablet, and JUST a portable gaming device? It already has begun to.

 

[Steppin Razor]

I said that because those are the only games that I have heard of for the 3DS. I haven't heard of people talking about a new IP for the 3DS. Only Zelda is coming out, again, and Mario is coming out, again, again. I guess you could blame a combination of bad marketing by Nintendo, my ignorance towards Nintendo games, and their fans for that one.

You are right. These games don't have the lasting power, yet, but neither did Pong, and look where we are in the console department. The power they are trying to pack into these phones, with 1Ghz processors and soon-to-come dual cores, on top of Androids open-source development policy, gaming is written all over that. As the iOS and Android devices become more popular, widespread, and easier to develop for, and their gaming capabilites, such as improved touch controls improve, where will the line start to blur between JUST a phone/tablet, and JUST a portable gaming device? It already has begun to.

To be fair, I can't comment on the new IPs for the 3DS as I haven't followed it beyond, "Well that looks pretty cool. I wonder what games will come out for it." And as far as marketing goes, Nintendo consoles kind of tend to suck for that when it comes to third-party games.

Given time, I have no doubt that phones will advance to the point that they will be just as good at gaming as portable gaming devices are, but I believe it will require the involvement of Sony and Nintendo to bring that about in any meaningful way. Major support from the big players in the industry will be required to make it happen, but it remains to be seen what stance they will take on it. Since the iPhone was released it was touted as being a big step in portable gaming and that Sony and Nintendo had to watch out, but that has not happened yet. If anything, the DS and PSP have done better in the last 3 years, not worse. The big publishers need a reason to develop the same high quality games for phones that they're currently releasing on handhelds, and without Sony or Nintendo backing it I just don't see it happening.

 

[Something Amyss]

Its a hand held gaming device, not a super computer from space.
I expect it to play Pokemon and Kid Icarus and Star Fox

I don't know about you, but I always buy my Nintendo devices for their bleeding edge technology.

 

[Kagim]

The 3ds has the next chapter in the kingdom hearts series.

It will be obsolete the moment i play and beat that game.

Until then, no it is not outdated.

 

[WorldCritic]

Personally I don't think you can really compare a full fldged gaming device to a phone, but since you're shooting down every comment you don't agree with I might as well not even bother.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The DS actually has quite a wide variety of good games available for it now, and that has been its primary strength.
It still boggles my mind that people tend to completely ignore that fact just because it's Nintendo.
Yes, Nintendo has abused its main trio of big names for decades now, but at least their handhelds have actual games on them; especially when compared to their other current big seller.

Finally, this is the same exact argument I heard when the PSP was announced. By all rights, the PSP had better technical specs:
1) It was effectively a PS1.5, being able to render 3D environments just fine.
2) As shitty as UMD was, I never had any problems watching movies on it.
3) It was Skype-enabled, so if you had a plan or account, you very well could use it as a shitty cell-phone.
4) Early pre-patch versions of the firmware ran Windows CE, which some people used to run GBA,SNES and NES emulators)

Yet it failed to kill Nintendo's handheld. The DS has done pretty good despite being outdated.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

I said that because those are the only games that I have heard of for the 3DS. I haven't heard of people talking about a new IP for the 3DS. Only Zelda is coming out, again, and Mario is coming out, again, again. I guess you could blame a combination of bad marketing by Nintendo, my ignorance towards Nintendo games, and their fans for that one.

You are right. These games don't have the lasting power, yet, but neither did Pong, and look where we are in the console department. The power they are trying to pack into these phones, with 1Ghz processors and soon-to-come dual cores, on top of Androids open-source development policy, gaming is written all over that. As the iOS and Android devices become more popular, widespread, and easier to develop for, and their gaming capabilites, such as improved touch controls improve, where will the line start to blur between JUST a phone/tablet, and JUST a portable gaming device? It already has begun to.

To be fair, I can't comment on the new IPs for the 3DS as I haven't followed it beyond, "Well that looks pretty cool. I wonder what games will come out for it." And as far as marketing goes, Nintendo consoles kind of tend to suck for that when it comes to third-party games.

Given time, I have no doubt that phones will advance to the point that they will be just as good at gaming as portable gaming devices are, but I believe it will require the involvement of Sony and Nintendo to bring that about in any meaningful way. Major support from the big players in the industry will be required to make it happen, but it remains to be seen what stance they will take on it. Since the iPhone was released it was touted as being a big step in portable gaming and that Sony and Nintendo had to watch out, but that has not happened yet. If anything, the DS and PSP have done better in the last 3 years, not worse. The big publishers need a reason to develop the same high quality games for phones that they're currently releasing on handhelds, and without Sony or Nintendo backing it I just don't see it happening.

I agree that Sony and Nintendo will be required, and I think Sony is already making a step with that Zeus Z-1 (It's on the news feed somewhere on the homepage). I think they will be brought in more once more in depth games start coming out for these open source systems. And that will be after big publishers like EA are making high-end games for the devices. Once gamers see Nintendo or Sony IPs like Mario Kart or God of War on Android or iOS, then we enter that new era.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Oh yeah, cellphone minigames. That'll deffinately crush the power house games handheld's have.