Nintendo Patches Out Same-Sex Marriage in Tomodachi Collection

[oplinger]

I'm with nintendo. Because I'm not finding any anti-gay messages in what they're doing.

because it was a bug. They patched their game to be less buggy. The bug that allowed the gay marriage did lots of other strange things, so it's obvious it needed to be fixed.

This is not an anti-gay message.

 

[Worgen]

Nintendo has always been anti-gay. I'm surprised they even let Link be as feminine as he is and Zelda to cross-dress as Shiek. But I guess Link always saves a dress wearing Zelda in the end so it's okay.

Have they? I thought they had mostly always been 'Those right wing fuckers are yelling at us again, lets just change whatever they want so they shut up.'

 

[Darken12]

I think it had more to do with the men getting pregnant than anything else, still, couldn't they have patched that up and leave the same sex thing in for those who want to use it?

But they removed it because the men where getting pregnant, I think that has less to do with 'family-friendly' and has more to do with the realms of sanity or logic.

I am pretty sure that changing one line of dialogue from "we're pregnant!" to "we're adopting!" would have been a lot simpler than preventing the marriages altogether. They can't even claim simplicity or laziness on this one, because the lazy option was, coincidentally, the most progressive.

 

[Big_Boss_Mantis]

Nintendo has always been anti-gay. I'm surprised they even let Link be as feminine as he is and Zelda to cross-dress as Shiek. But I guess Link always saves a dress wearing Zelda in the end so it's okay.

Have they? I've never seen anything from Nintendo particularly anti-gay, I mean Nintendo games tend to barely even touch on romance and relationships really further than the fairy tale style "hero saves princess" angle a lot of their games seem to have. I suppose they could be criticized for lacking openly gay characters in most of their games but sadly that's currently a given for most media aimed at children.

Nintendo aims their products at children and are very cautious about controverisal themes.
And its a necessary stance when you have a lot of games based on mascots and/or toons. (even if it makes them retrogade)

Still, I don't think you should call them homophobic, since they have Birdo, wich is a transgender character! (and, well, since it has been hinted that it is Yoshi's girlfriend, then that could even make the egg-throwing dinossaur gay)

 

[Schadrach]

I am pretty sure that changing one line of dialogue from "we're pregnant!" to "we're adopting!" would have been a lot simpler than preventing the marriages altogether. They can't even claim simplicity or laziness on this one, because the lazy option was, coincidentally, the most progressive.

Except that the "mother" actually gets depicted as pregnant. So, it's not changing one line of dialog, it's also figuring out some reasoning behind why whenever a gay couple decides to adopt, one of them gets really fat for a while. =p

 

[Darken12]

I am pretty sure that changing one line of dialogue from "we're pregnant!" to "we're adopting!" would have been a lot simpler than preventing the marriages altogether. They can't even claim simplicity or laziness on this one, because the lazy option was, coincidentally, the most progressive.

Except that the "mother" actually gets depicted as pregnant. So, it's not changing one line of dialog, it's also figuring out some reasoning behind why whenever a gay couple decides to adopt, one of them gets really fat for a while. =p

I find it hard to believe that people who wanted to avoid showing mpreg in a game went out of their way to depict mpreg in the in-game models.

Not to mention that if that was the bug they wanted to correct, that should have been the bug they corrected.

 

[lacktheknack]

I think it had more to do with the men getting pregnant than anything else, still, couldn't they have patched that up and leave the same sex thing in for those who want to use it?

But they removed it because the men where getting pregnant, I think that has less to do with 'family-friendly' and has more to do with the realms of sanity or logic.

I am pretty sure that changing one line of dialogue from "we're pregnant!" to "we're adopting!" would have been a lot simpler than preventing the marriages altogether. They can't even claim simplicity or laziness on this one, because the lazy option was, coincidentally, the most progressive.

Actually, recoding the pregnancy process, if they used any form of good coding practice (ie. one that doesn't expect for pregnany to be uncoded later) will be a total nightmare to allow exceptions with.

Wait and see, they may offer the same-sex option later if it turned out to be popular. But it's not something that can be fixed in a quick-fix patch.

 

[lacktheknack]

I am pretty sure that changing one line of dialogue from "we're pregnant!" to "we're adopting!" would have been a lot simpler than preventing the marriages altogether. They can't even claim simplicity or laziness on this one, because the lazy option was, coincidentally, the most progressive.

Except that the "mother" actually gets depicted as pregnant. So, it's not changing one line of dialog, it's also figuring out some reasoning behind why whenever a gay couple decides to adopt, one of them gets really fat for a while. =p

I find it hard to believe that people who wanted to avoid showing mpreg in a game went out of their way to depict mpreg in the in-game models.

Not to mention that if that was the bug they wanted to correct, that should have been the bug they corrected.

That's not how models work.

If the model can be customized by the player, then they attach pregnancy as an addition to a wireframe. That's why Sims can get pregnant even if there's no other Sim in the world like yours. And, as I mentioned earlier, unplanned exceptions in programming code are EVIL.

Source: University courses with hands-on.

 

[Darken12]

Actually, recoding the pregnancy process, if they used any form of good coding practice (ie. one that doesn't expect for pregnany to be uncoded later) will be a total nightmare to allow exceptions with.

Wait and see, they may offer the same-sex option later if it turned out to be popular. But it's not something that can be fixed in a quick-fix patch.

That's not how models work.

If the model can be customized by the player, then they attach pregnancy as an addition to a wireframe. That's why Sims can get pregnant even if there's no other Sim in the world like yours. And, as I mentioned earlier, unplanned exceptions in programming code are EVIL.

Source: University courses with hands-on.

I appreciate the explanation, but I still think this was done on purpose, with the express intention of shutting down same-sex marriages. If they had issues with the male model showing signs of pregnancy, it stands to reason to think that's what they would've actually fixed.

 

[lacktheknack]

Actually, recoding the pregnancy process, if they used any form of good coding practice (ie. one that doesn't expect for pregnany to be uncoded later) will be a total nightmare to allow exceptions with.

Wait and see, they may offer the same-sex option later if it turned out to be popular. But it's not something that can be fixed in a quick-fix patch.

That's not how models work.

If the model can be customized by the player, then they attach pregnancy as an addition to a wireframe. That's why Sims can get pregnant even if there's no other Sim in the world like yours. And, as I mentioned earlier, unplanned exceptions in programming code are EVIL.

Source: University courses with hands-on.

I appreciate the explanation, but I still think this was done on purpose, with the express intention of shutting down same-sex marriages. If they had issues with the male model showing signs of pregnancy, it stands to reason to think that's what they would've actually fixed.

Again, that could take days, depending on how messy the code is (and believe me, code can get unbelievably messy).

Also, I think you're being paranoid. Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity, and this is definitely a case where they could have simply not thought of what their actions were implying.

 

[Darken12]

Again, that could take days, depending on how messy the code is (and believe me, code can get unbelievably messy).

Also, I think you're being paranoid. Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity, and this is definitely a case where they could have simply not thought of what their actions were implying.

I literally hate Hanlon's Razor with the stabbing fury of a thousand slashers. No. It's not all innocent stupidity. There is malice in the world, and I know because I have seen it. I refuse to accept "oopsie daisy, we're all just harmless bumbling fools, tee hee!" as a valid excuse. No. At the end of the day, I do not care if it's stupidity or malice. It makes absolutely no difference to me, and I heavily resent the implication that I'm supposed to excuse or forgive or change how I feel because someone did something I highly disapprove of out of stupidity instead of malice.

 

[lacktheknack]

Again, that could take days, depending on how messy the code is (and believe me, code can get unbelievably messy).

Also, I think you're being paranoid. Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity, and this is definitely a case where they could have simply not thought of what their actions were implying.

I literally hate Hanlon's Razor with the stabbing fury of a thousand slashers. No. It's not all innocent stupidity. There is malice in the world, and I know because I have seen it. I refuse to accept "oopsie daisy, we're all just harmless bumbling fools, tee hee!" as a valid excuse. No. At the end of the day, I do not care if it's stupidity or malice. It makes absolutely no difference to me, and I heavily resent the implication that I'm supposed to excuse or forgive or change how I feel because someone did something I highly disapprove of out of stupidity instead of malice.

That's a hell of a difference that you refuse to acknowledge.

But hey, I doubt I can change your mind. Just know that, while there definitely is malice, it's not as common as you seem to think.

Because while you have seen malice, I have also seen (and performed) incredibly offensive actions that weren't remotely intended to be so.

And no, I still don't think that Nintendo, of all companies, is malicious.

 

[Darken12]

That's a hell of a difference that you refuse to acknowledge.

But hey, I doubt I can change your mind. Just know that, while there definitely is malice, it's not as common as you seem to think.

Because while you have seen malice, I have also seen (and performed) incredibly offensive actions that weren't remotely intended to be so.

The problem with "I don't intend to be malicious" is that it's a scapegoat to keep on performing the same offensive/ignorant actions and evade the responsibility of making restitutions or even owning up to what they did.

And no, I still don't think that Nintendo, of all companies, is malicious.

That's cool, we don't have to think the same.

 

[EHKOS]

Well, I'm not terribly surprised. Nintendo is a family company, although I don't know why they fixed this and not Birdo....

 

[masticina]

Seriously..

Well.. guess they didn't see that one coming.

 

[Artemicion]

This may not be Nintendo's opinion on the subject at all: this was, after all, a bug. They may not wish to continue this because the current framework for the game doesn't support this union with proper coding, dialogue triggers or scripting, as seen with the male pregnancy.

 

[Ariyura]

Maybe when they say "human relations that become strange", they meant that whole "male pregnancy" thing.

Oh well. Maybe next time.

OT: You're avatar is freaking terrifying! T_T

Back on topic, I wish they'd just left it alone and let those who wanted to play with it enjoy themselves.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Nintendo has always been anti-gay. I'm surprised they even let Link be as feminine as he is and Zelda to cross-dress as Shiek. But I guess Link always saves a dress wearing Zelda in the end so it's okay.

Have they? I've never seen anything from Nintendo particularly anti-gay, I mean Nintendo games tend to barely even touch on romance and relationships really further than the fairy tale style "hero saves princess" angle a lot of their games seem to have. I suppose they could be criticized for lacking openly gay characters in most of their games but sadly that's currently a given for most media aimed at children.

I don't think Nintendo is anti-gay, I just think they don't care either way. That is very Japaneses, as well. Gay stuff over there is seen more a novelty rather then something to get upset over, and either you like the novelty or you don't, it's really as simple as that. My friend moved there and he even told me 'black face' is still a thing there. They don't hate black people though, they just don't care either way.

If that place is really everything I'm told, I might move there one day. That excess mellow-ness sounds like a refreshing change to the 'bottled C4' that is western life.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Japan is very reserved about all public expressions of sexuality. They don't really have an equivalent to our fundamentalist homophobes, but neither do they have many respected gay rights activist. So it's going to take a long time, because no one wants to talk about it for the first time.

They are hostile against many of the acts and self-identifications that westerners regard as basic freedoms, but even that has more to do with a general "The stake that sticks out gets hammered down" attitude, than particularly picking on gays.

This.

Actually, fun fact, this is why anime and manga tend to have far more positive deceptions of gay characters than their western counterparts, but at the same time why Nintendo is eliminating it from the game - because it is okay to be gay in Japan, but not to talk about it.

Also, because characters in fiction are often portrayed as individuals even while Japanese society hates individuality.

Finally, this also means that many of the above mentioned portrayals of homosexual characters in anime and manga tend to lean towards (Japanese) stereotypes - because many of the creators have never actually met an out gay person.

 

[cookyy2k]

Well Nintendo just opened Pandora's box on themselves. If this bug hadn't occurred no one would have give a flying f*** if the game allows same-sex marriage, not it has been unintentionally allowed then removed by the fix the community will be all over them. I find it funny when something like this happens that people take it as a personal insult, it was a bug, it got patched.

capacha: Pandora's box... see it agrees, and is spookily prophetic since I didn't read it til now.