Actually, he had the game a week before it was out and then spent his time and effort into hacking that, then putting it online where others could download it for free.Baby Tea said:
Not right, but dude... Selfish???
Nintendo Pirate Settles Dispute for $1.5 Million
- Thread starter Tom Goldman
- Start date
Not right, but dude... Selfish???
Finally, an industry giant actually picking on a valid target. There's no excuse to upload a game before it's even out yet. I have little-to-no sympathy for this guy, he got what he deserved.
I can understand pirating games that are no longer available or are years old or whose companies went under, but this is just plain wrong.
I can understand pirating games that are no longer available or are years old or whose companies went under, but this is just plain wrong.
I doubt this will be remembered in a few years.
Scare-tactics doesn't work, because they have already tried it and theres still no result.
Maybe they should do:
A. ditch the stupid DRM, registration and DVD-checks so people can get playing their games instead of using their time on logging on, filling out forms, navigating through email-signups and "helpful" search bars and agreeing to EULAs.
B. lower their prices so people could afford the damn games. If a game cost the same as a bigmac-menu people wouldnt bother with the piracy (that is if A. is also done) as it is now where I live, games costs 6-8 times that on release.
C. thank their users for paying instead of reminding everyone that theft is illigal.
Its the same difference as saying: "Murdering anyone today is against the law - we are watching YOU!" and "thank you for being a kind and nice guy today" - do the latter guys!*
As the world is now, all the "cred" I get for purchase is a hazzle about signing up, creating (yet another) account and registrating and finding the DVD in my desk-piles. No thank-yous, just tiresome DRM and EULA signing. Why should I trust you when you dont trust me?
*wouldn't you feel like a jerk if you had copied a game and everytime it started it displayed: "Developers Jeff, Mike and Charon and the 560 other employees at EA, Bioware and WhateverCorp that made this game come true thanks you from the buttom of their harts for purchasing this game! We hope you enjoy it as much as we did developing it
For more info, patches and a secret ingame goodie, log on to (www.web-thingie)
Here you can also write to us with feedback and see the next game we will be delivering to your PC. Happy gaming from us all, and thank you for your time and support
Scare-tactics doesn't work, because they have already tried it and theres still no result.
Maybe they should do:
A. ditch the stupid DRM, registration and DVD-checks so people can get playing their games instead of using their time on logging on, filling out forms, navigating through email-signups and "helpful" search bars and agreeing to EULAs.
B. lower their prices so people could afford the damn games. If a game cost the same as a bigmac-menu people wouldnt bother with the piracy (that is if A. is also done) as it is now where I live, games costs 6-8 times that on release.
C. thank their users for paying instead of reminding everyone that theft is illigal.
Its the same difference as saying: "Murdering anyone today is against the law - we are watching YOU!" and "thank you for being a kind and nice guy today" - do the latter guys!*
As the world is now, all the "cred" I get for purchase is a hazzle about signing up, creating (yet another) account and registrating and finding the DVD in my desk-piles. No thank-yous, just tiresome DRM and EULA signing. Why should I trust you when you dont trust me?
*wouldn't you feel like a jerk if you had copied a game and everytime it started it displayed: "Developers Jeff, Mike and Charon and the 560 other employees at EA, Bioware and WhateverCorp that made this game come true thanks you from the buttom of their harts for purchasing this game! We hope you enjoy it as much as we did developing it
For more info, patches and a secret ingame goodie, log on to (www.web-thingie)
Here you can also write to us with feedback and see the next game we will be delivering to your PC. Happy gaming from us all, and thank you for your time and support
People are acting like this guy stole food from a poor family, he didn't, he took a piece of digital data and put it up for people to use, (and its doubtable he even played the game in the first place) He essentially took nothing,he didn't take a physical item, he duplicated a piece of code, it and provided it to the public. He deserved no fine, if video game companies want to sell their game with out people getting it illegally, then they will have to make good games. It is as simple as that. Besides, who would have bought this game anyway? Sounds like a piece of crap
you are an idiot if you think he deserved any punishment worse than Nintendo forcing him to take his game down from the internet.
Also, why do people see these pirates as "evil". First off, perceiving them as evil is ignorant, Second, pirating is essentially robin hood, only, the rich aren't really losing money, and nothing is actually being stolen...
you are an idiot if you think he deserved any punishment worse than Nintendo forcing him to take his game down from the internet.
Also, why do people see these pirates as "evil". First off, perceiving them as evil is ignorant, Second, pirating is essentially robin hood, only, the rich aren't really losing money, and nothing is actually being stolen...
I would have expected a fine of around $20'000 for what is essentially a leak, and no indication of profiteering.
I mean why are we still calling this piracy? Piracy used to mean people who kill, rape, torture and steal on the high seas, it was already a HUGE stretch to apply the term to organised criminals who were in the business of selling counterfeit tapes and CDs.
But this isn't even piracy as it used to mean, this really is nothing more than a leak with no attempt to make money off it. He IS guilty of copyright violation but ONLY ONE count and did not try to make any money off this.
He is just being used as a scape goat for the thousands of people they can't catch who did download the game and that is NOT justice.
I mean why are we still calling this piracy? Piracy used to mean people who kill, rape, torture and steal on the high seas, it was already a HUGE stretch to apply the term to organised criminals who were in the business of selling counterfeit tapes and CDs.
But this isn't even piracy as it used to mean, this really is nothing more than a leak with no attempt to make money off it. He IS guilty of copyright violation but ONLY ONE count and did not try to make any money off this.
He is just being used as a scape goat for the thousands of people they can't catch who did download the game and that is NOT justice.
Lots of self-righteous idiots in this thread.
Most of you just don't have a clue, and you never will. Why don't you all sacrifice a lamb to Nintendo and worship them, while the rest of us can look at this story for what it really is.
You won't be laughing once the government starts intruding on your privacy 100%, so you can't even send an e-mail without someone monitoring it (oh wait they do that already). How fitting that this happened in Australia.
I guarantee that 2/3 if not more of all the downloaders that downloaded the "leak" would have never bought the game in the first place. They are either broke or have no intention of ever buying a game ever again, because who wants to buy games from psychopaths in court?
So for Nintendo to say they "suffered losses" like every other company that does, it really doesn't make sense, and it is total bullshit. The only thing accomplished in this fiasco is that a corporation was giving the right to search someone's property. I like how no one is talking about that.
When all is said and done and the proverbial shit has hit the fan and we live in a total authoritarian society, you will no longer have "the pirates" or "the hackers" to scapegoat. You'll just have your confused psyche and the tears in your pillow to bicker about.
Most of you just don't have a clue, and you never will. Why don't you all sacrifice a lamb to Nintendo and worship them, while the rest of us can look at this story for what it really is.
You won't be laughing once the government starts intruding on your privacy 100%, so you can't even send an e-mail without someone monitoring it (oh wait they do that already). How fitting that this happened in Australia.
I guarantee that 2/3 if not more of all the downloaders that downloaded the "leak" would have never bought the game in the first place. They are either broke or have no intention of ever buying a game ever again, because who wants to buy games from psychopaths in court?
So for Nintendo to say they "suffered losses" like every other company that does, it really doesn't make sense, and it is total bullshit. The only thing accomplished in this fiasco is that a corporation was giving the right to search someone's property. I like how no one is talking about that.
When all is said and done and the proverbial shit has hit the fan and we live in a total authoritarian society, you will no longer have "the pirates" or "the hackers" to scapegoat. You'll just have your confused psyche and the tears in your pillow to bicker about.
Okay, Good job on going for the true theives Nintendo I really admire some first hand interest now.
...But Seriously 1.5 mil?
I'm all for giving these hacker tards a good head thumping but dear me, that's just quite alot of cash you don't really need... Wouldn't a good 500k do the same trick? It's still a kick in the balls worthy of a serious 'Oooo' without the horrible gasp of 'One mil' at the end of it...
I mean yeah these pirates are douche bags for stealing the stuff you spend hard hours making but they really don't make alot off it... 500k... Heck 50k! would have been more than enough.
...But Seriously 1.5 mil?
I'm all for giving these hacker tards a good head thumping but dear me, that's just quite alot of cash you don't really need... Wouldn't a good 500k do the same trick? It's still a kick in the balls worthy of a serious 'Oooo' without the horrible gasp of 'One mil' at the end of it...
I mean yeah these pirates are douche bags for stealing the stuff you spend hard hours making but they really don't make alot off it... 500k... Heck 50k! would have been more than enough.
Does not exist on consoles.JeppeH said:
Ah yes, that good old point again. Actually, only pupils whine about this. So many people don't realize that production costs are getting bigger and bigger. That's the price you have to pay for your precious graphix and fancy physix.JeppeH said:
But there is another thing: Great indie games for the price up to max. 10-15 €. Why not play those?
I'm sorry, I don't see the connection. This case is about somebody uploading their product. What's this stuff about you feeling treated badly?JeppeH said:
If you wouldn't buy a game because you don't think it's worth the money, why is it worth enough to download? I don't care if you pirate your games or not, but please don't try to justify it. You do it because you either don't earn your own money yet or are too greedy, but want everything the media tells you to want.SyphonX said:
Saying our world is going to become a fascist state without any freedom because software pirates get sued for something they know is against the law is far-fetched, to say the least. It's actually absolutely idiotic and completely unworldly. The problem is just that you really believe in the stuff you say and I will hardly be able to change your mind. Frankly, I don't even want to. Many many MANY people share your opinion and I'm starting to think there is no point in discussing that.
How? The is a world of difference between a guy who downloads a few songs and ends up loosing his house and someone who rips and uploads a game a week before it's due out. At most people who are download are doing is redistributing pirated content, impact maybe at most a few dozen sales, not enough to warren hundreds of thousands dollars in fines, this guy started the ball rolling with the pirated version of the game.Plazmatic said:
Go after the source of the issue, the ripping groups, the people who get them access to pre-release content, etc, leave the downloaders alone, they are symptom not the cause.
WHOA WHOA WHOA you're on a contradiction roll here. The're both digital, andtkioz said:
"At most people who are download are doing is redistributing pirated content, impact maybe at most a few dozen sales, not enough to warren hundreds of thousands dollars in fines, this guy started the ball rolling with the pirated version of the game."
thats a giant contradiction in itself. You play it down then you play it up....
Any way, like I said before, if you make good games we'll buy em, if you don't we won't. It's a simple solution to a simple problem. You will never get rid of piracy, but you can stop the want to pirate easily if you make a quality product. There is no need for punishment of this kind.
lol at all the people saying "OMG HES GONNA BE HOMELESSSSS"
No he isn't. He's going to pay off a small portion each month for (conceivably) the rest of his life. He'll be no different than thousands of kids coming out of college each year. If you'd prefer to be in jail (or dead) than pay money each month for a crime you willingly committed, then that says a ton about you and how you view your life.
No he isn't. He's going to pay off a small portion each month for (conceivably) the rest of his life. He'll be no different than thousands of kids coming out of college each year. If you'd prefer to be in jail (or dead) than pay money each month for a crime you willingly committed, then that says a ton about you and how you view your life.
he probably wouldn't be in jail for long, at least if it was in the united states, but something like this can't happen in the united states due to current laws and public disapproval... (the massive fine I mean, people pirate all the time here)The Bandit said:
1.5 million??
I'm as anti-piracy as the next gamer, but fuckinghell... his life is fucked unless he gets a lottery win.
I understand they want to make an example but that's just out of order.
That's like slicing someone's hands off for graffiti.
Every shred of respect I had for Nintendo is now dead, and the justice system has just got yet another notch against it in my books... not that it matters but still.
I'm as anti-piracy as the next gamer, but fuckinghell... his life is fucked unless he gets a lottery win.
I understand they want to make an example but that's just out of order.
That's like slicing someone's hands off for graffiti.
Every shred of respect I had for Nintendo is now dead, and the justice system has just got yet another notch against it in my books... not that it matters but still.
I'll get right on that, but first...SyphonX said:
How does this make what they, and this guy, did any less illegal?
People can moan all they want about game prices being through the roof, but that isn't a justification for piracy, just like being poor doesn't justify stealing people's cars.
"BUT THEY'RE NOT STEALING REALLY/IT DOESN'T HURT TEH COMPANY"
is not the point. Piracy is illegal, end of story. Games are a luxury, and you have to pay for that luxury to get it legally.
They were only given the right to search this guy's place because they had sufficient evidence. Since the act of piracy is a computer crime, it also only makes sense that they be given his computer information as well so that the investigation can be properly conducted.
Rrrrright.
The (former) number one illegal file-sharing site dubbed itself "The Pirate Bay." If these people call themselves pirates, than why shouldn't everyone else?Treblaine said:
The problem is that he is now responsible for all the downloads his upload gathered. It's sort of similar to aiding and abetting: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accomplice#Aiding_and_abetting_under_U.S._law] he is responsible for those downloads because he is the one that enabled the downloaders to download.
