Nintendo Plummets in List of "Powerful" Japanese Companies
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There still isn't a clear cause and effect relation between those two though, so I'm not sure how good of an example Sega would be for Nintendo. Even ignoring the fact that both companies are in different situations, industries and markets.Dragonbums said:
What happened with Sonic is that Team Sonic has had problems trying to figure out how to best transfer sonic from 2D to 3D. This can't be attributed to them not having their own proprietary hardware to develop the game on.VG_Addict said:
I don't know, Sonic started sucking long before they went third party. Just look at stuff like Sonic Spinball, Sonic 3D or any attempt to follow in Mario 64s footsteps. There's plenty of shitty spinoffs and similar that indicates that Team Sonic might have lost some important creative people along the way.VG_Addict said:
Considering how the majority of the issues with the Wii U surrounds around poor advertising I'm pretty sure that is easily fixable.Mcoffey said:
Also, the Dreamcast had a whole lot of factors surrounding it and before and during launch. A lot of it being releasing consoles in 3 year intervals, losing stock to Sony, losing money in arcade, etc. etc.
Yes, Sonic for the longest time got shit ratings, they got ripped off of millions of dollars on A:CM because Gearbox are assholes, went through a lot of restructuring, and suffering from financial troubles. They surely have reached new heights of mediocrity and struggles.
False. Seriously. That's all there is to it.
For you.
So by that logic Sony and Microsoft should go third party because they are participating in outdated business practices. We all know they will be oh so much more successful.
I'm surprised other people haven't pointed this out, but Nintendo's current situation is similar to Sony's position last gen: Coming off a gen where their console dominated, only to undo all of it with a console that's difficult to develop for, and launching with no good games.
Ironically enough I've been making that comparison for quite a while now actually. The Wii U is Nintendo's PS3, in that they made a lot of stupid decisions that bit them in the butt. If that's the case then next gen means it should be good for them if they actually fix some of the issues like how the PS4 fixed a lot of the issues it had.VG_Addict said:
Still won't stop the complaining, but that's a given because that will never stop no matter what.
Thing is Iwata clarified his comment about smart phones saying that Nintendo STILL isn't interested in putting their titles on them:Dragonbums said:
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/01/20/nintendos-woes-dont-mean-game-over-for-its-consoles/
We might seem some tie-in apps, but don't ever expect full titles like Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Smash Bros, etc on them. At this point Nintendo is pretty much immortal.
Oh, and it does seem that while most people will talk about how Nintendo's stock went down 18%...they then forget to mention the market CLOSED with it only having drop 6% when all was said and done.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=220750
I really wish people would stop half-assing their jobs
While it's good that Nintendo managed to make back a lot of the stock, the fact that it still closed the day down 6.15% still isn't very good. Especially since after E3 Microsoft's stocks fell only 1.34% after the price of the device and the other "features" were announced. Nintendo is bound to make them back, but this really sort of negates some of the stock they gained after China removed the console ban, so at least they still have around 5% or so more from that. But sudden changes like that aren't good at all.Aiddon said:
Also, the BBC reported the loss as it happened, which is generally what major news sites will do as it happens. Now if they don't update it then it's their fault, but at the time they reported it the stock loss was correct. If they don't update it then they are in the wrong, but seeing as in the link you posted how there are people claiming "The BBC has something against Nintendo" then I find that just plain sad because the BBC has a lot more to report on than one singular company that makes entertainment devices, and that was a big stock loss of the day at the time. If it were Sony that lost all that stock then they'd report that.
It's frankly more realistic to see them going full hand-held. It's like people forget about how amazing the 3ds is in the midst of the Wii U shitstorm.Mcoffey said:
And just to put in another point, you think you want Nintendo 3rd party, inbefore you realise how great SEGA became after they went 3rd party. I would honestly rather see Nintendo going off the games market completely before they go 3rd party.
They wouldn't have to if they just released some fragging games on it already.Winterfel said:
The 3DS? Yeah, lets not forget that it was a FAILURE for its first year.
Because, and forgive the repetition, it had no sodding games. But eventually it got games and it turned around.
The 3DS is selling mainly on 1st party titles. Check its quarterly best selling lists and at any given time you will find Mario and Pokemon occupying most of the top 10 spots.
If the appeal of Nintendo consoles are the Nintendo games, then they need to get the lead out.
They should have gotten the lead out already, given the WiiU had a solid year head start on its newer competition.
I don't understand people who claim Nintendo going third party would be the death of them. It's plain and simple the appeal and benefits of being third party. As much as I love Nintendo, I'd rather be able to play one of their new games on a console I currently own and not shell out $200+ for me to only play one or two of Nintendo's first party games.
I'll agree with you when I see Vyse and Aika in a new game rather than just cameos in other games.Mcoffey said:
They would still have to clear the stigma that comes with buying a Nintendo console in the USA. Any "adult" my age would have to keep it a secret if he bought the Wii U for himself if he doesn't want to get laughed at. The Wii had a reputation in the USA for being a console for children and "casual" gamers (I still don't understand why being a casual gamer is a bad thing but?). Nintendo's best shot was to give their next console a brand new name and wipe the slate clean, but no, they named their next console after the Wii and the stigma stuck around. Nintendo really needs to show "hardcore" gamers that buying their console isn't just something for children if they want to turn this thing around.Neronium said:
I mean, the 7th Gen consoles all had a negative rep. PS3 had no games, 360 was breaking all the time, and the Wii was for kids. All of those negative reps were fixed except for one, and that one has stuck around for the next console and it looks like it's pulling the pulling the company into the ground.